Originally Posted by miketoronto
That is another useless project that will only promote sprawl. Why does a tiny city like London need a ring road?
I disagree. Have you looked at London from Google Maps lately? London is one of the most sprawled cities in Canada and thus has a very low population density.
Saying freeways create sprawl is simply not true. Need proof? Just look at London right now.
Originally Posted by manny_santos
Toronto has enough. Let's let the rest of the province get help for a change. There is no reason Toronto should be showered with gold and riches and the rest of us suffer through unemployment, and third-world public transit service and roads.
I disagree. All cities in Ontario are in dire need road/transit funding, including Toronto. Toronto's road and transit systems may be good compared to London, but it is an absolute joke on the international front.
Originally Posted by flar
I don't see how a ring road helps London either. The problem, at least back when I lived there, was always getting from say, Downtown to White Oaks, or from Old South to UWO, or Byron to Fanshawe College, that kind of thing. Takes a long time to travel the city through the city along streets like Oxford, Wharnecliffe, Richmond, Wellington, etc.
It's difficult to see how a ring road helps the situation in London because of the way Highway 402 was built.
Initially, Highway 402 would bypass the city to the north and hook up with Highway 401 at the 401/403 junction in Woodstock. The need for freeway links east and west connecting Highways 401 and 402 would then be justified for commuting purposes, thus completing London's ring road.
-But due to opposition, Highway 402 now meanders through farmlands southwest of the city and hooks up with the 401 in south London. It's a shame as it's original route is really needed for London and would make a much more direct connection to Sarnia/USA for drivers from the GTA. It's also better for those in Hamilton because the 403 would become the 402.
London is the largest city in North America that does not have a freeway for local/commuting traffic. Many people say Winnipeg, but that city does have some freeway portions along it's main routes but most of it is built to expressway standards.
Getting back on topic, I would prefer to see Highway 407 end somewhere on the 401 because then it's purpose of a tolled bypass is fulfilled. A link to the 35/115 could be made as an untolled highway as it would be a connector route, not a bypass.
I also continue to question the need for two connector highways between the 401 and 407. 1 is fine, but 2 seems like overkill to me.