HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForumSkyscraper Posters
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada

Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 1:39 PM
cormiermax's Avatar
cormiermax cormiermax is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Shanghai
Posts: 881
Could Canada survive Quebec separation?

Not sure if this question has been asked before, I'm sure it has but i'll ask anyway. Do you think Canada could survive a Quebec separation? What would happen to Atlantic Canada? Would a Western sovereignist movement soon follow? Interested to hear some of your thoughts.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 1:46 PM
SpikePhanta SpikePhanta is offline
Vancouverite
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,483
Real question should be: Would Quebec survive separation?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 1:49 PM
caltrane74's Avatar
caltrane74 caltrane74 is online now
gettin' rich!
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Toronto
Posts: 33,340
Giving them their share of the National Debt, would more than cripple any thoughts of Quebec wanting to be separate.
__________________
Learn Here about the 200 Skyscrapers U/C in Toronto The Toronto Skyscraper Blog
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 1:51 PM
kool maudit's Avatar
kool maudit kool maudit is offline
among other things
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Helsingør
Posts: 10,165
oh lord -- i log on after a weekend away and i find this waiting in the canada forum.

that said, i'll give it a shot. due to world-wide changes in the relative interdependence of states, separation isn't what it would have been in 1980 (this also has a bit to do with why it won't happen). were quebec separate, a brief period of rancor, ill-will and demagoguery would likely be replaced by both states doing the things that would return the greater continental economy to normal functioning.

by this i mean that they would sign accords (this process would be aided by u.s. pressure), negotiate resource deals and largely ignore the natives.

i don't believe the modern west will really allow any sort of international standoffishness between its component states.
__________________
disce pati
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #5  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 1:56 PM
PoscStudent's Avatar
PoscStudent PoscStudent is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: St. John's
Posts: 3,619
Canada could, Quebec couldn't.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 1:57 PM
caltrane74's Avatar
caltrane74 caltrane74 is online now
gettin' rich!
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Toronto
Posts: 33,340
Forget about government health care, and old age pension checks!


Free MBA's at McGill, OVER!
__________________
Learn Here about the 200 Skyscrapers U/C in Toronto The Toronto Skyscraper Blog
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #7  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 2:28 PM
Gerrard Gerrard is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,100
OMG I hope this thread is shut down quickly.

It'll just end in tears and recriminations.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #8  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 2:32 PM
Dwils01's Avatar
Dwils01 Dwils01 is offline
Urban Fanactic
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Surrey
Posts: 3,101
Everybody seems to be behaving themselves so far.
It's the trolls on this forum who ruin it for everyone.
But I'm sure Quebec won't separate. Canada is too awesome to leave.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 2:37 PM
kool maudit's Avatar
kool maudit kool maudit is offline
among other things
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Helsingør
Posts: 10,165
it has become an article of faith/reassurance in canada that quebec would quickly be destroyed for its impertinence in the event of separation.

i believe this is mainly an emotional reaction. it is what a lot of canadians would want to happen.

it is a threat.
__________________
disce pati
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #10  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 2:38 PM
Coldrsx's Avatar
Coldrsx Coldrsx is online now
Community Guy
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 49,219
Won't somebody think of the poutine!
__________________
"The destructive effects of automobiles are much less a cause than a symptom of our incompetence at city building" - Jane Jacobs 1961ish

Wake me up when I can see skyscrapers
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #11  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 2:50 PM
PoscStudent's Avatar
PoscStudent PoscStudent is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: St. John's
Posts: 3,619
Quote:
Originally Posted by kool maudit View Post
it has become an article of faith/reassurance in canada that quebec would quickly be destroyed for its impertinence in the event of separation.

i believe this is mainly an emotional reaction. it is what a lot of canadians would want to happen.

it is a threat.
I'd be fine with Quebec leaving if that's what they decided to do but I think in the province's current state they would have a hard time surviving. Quebec is currently the most indebted province and taking on 25% more debt from Canada wouldn't help that. Quite a few of the companies headquartered in Montreal and elsewhere in the province would likely leave, for example Air Canada. It's likely Northern Quebec would either join Ontario, Newfoundland and Labrador or form their own territory, Quebec gets a lot of money from the hydro developments there so they'd lose that revenue as well as the revenue from Labrador's Upper Churchill.

I really think their economy would have a very very tough time.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 2:53 PM
Vaillant Vaillant is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Montréal
Posts: 975
Quote:
Originally Posted by PoscStudent View Post
Canada could, Quebec couldn't.
you mean Canada couldn't and Quebec could because Canada is losing 25% of he's economy
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 2:57 PM
SpikePhanta SpikePhanta is offline
Vancouverite
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,483
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaillant View Post
you mean Canada couldn't and Quebec could because Canada is losing 25% of he's economy
Quebec is 20% of Canada's GDP.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #14  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 2:58 PM
caltrane74's Avatar
caltrane74 caltrane74 is online now
gettin' rich!
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Toronto
Posts: 33,340
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaillant View Post
you mean Canada couldn't and Quebec could because Canada is losing 25% of he's economy
I'm pretty sure Quebec does not make up 25% of the economy... it barely makes up 23% of the population.

And Resource Money from Alberta and the West subsidized Social Programs in Quebec, this is obvious, even to on Ontarian which at one time, also contributed to the economic well being of Quebec, although less so now, that we are struggling here with our Economy in Ontario and Toronto.
__________________
Learn Here about the 200 Skyscrapers U/C in Toronto The Toronto Skyscraper Blog
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #15  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 2:59 PM
Ayreonaut's Avatar
Ayreonaut Ayreonaut is offline
EVDS MPlan Student
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Turner Valley, AB
Posts: 11,983
Here we go again.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 3:05 PM
vid's Avatar
vid vid is offline
Because it's 2015.
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Thunder Bay
Posts: 37,461
Now that the "how much does Quebec contribute/take away" argument has started, it is time to close the thread.

Here is a visual representation of what this discussion will become if left open:



As you can see, it isn't pretty.
__________________
Toronto & HamiltonThunder Bayother photos | my geofiction | random things | skyscraper diagrams
It's not about what you don't have—it's the little you're given, and how far you can run with it.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #17  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 3:10 PM
PoscStudent's Avatar
PoscStudent PoscStudent is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: St. John's
Posts: 3,619
I believe Alberta and Newfoundland and Labrador are the only provinces who's percentage of the economy is more then their percentage of the population maybe Saskatchewan too. I rememeber seeing a chart recently.

My argument is that Quebec will lose a considerable amount of their economy by becoming independent.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #18  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 3:46 PM
The_Architect's Avatar
The_Architect The_Architect is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Toronto, ON
Posts: 3,387
Quote:
Originally Posted by PoscStudent View Post
Canada could, Quebec couldn't.
This.

Especially if it's a full blown separation, with Canada taking it's economy, currency, police, armed forces, Toronto, etc.
__________________
Hope is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of our greatest strength, and our greatest weakness.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #19  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 3:50 PM
M II A II R II K's Avatar
M II A II R II K M II A II R II K is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Toronto
Posts: 42,823
And then there's how much territory would be allowed to secede.
__________________
ASDFGHJK
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #20  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2011, 4:04 PM
Calgarian's Avatar
Calgarian Calgarian is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
Posts: 22,010
I think it would be a very tough and disappointing transition for Quebec. If Quebec did separate, that would give a ton of influence to the rest of the country, so it would be interesting to see what happens with the east / west balance of power.
__________________
Git'er done!
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:14 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.