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Old Posted May 16, 2011, 9:34 PM
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Smile NEW YORK | 225 W 57th St (Nordstrom tower) | 1,424 FT | 88 FLOORS | DEMO

It's time for this potential 1,000 footer to have its own thread!

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...hor-now-empty/

May 16, 2011, 2:39 pm Once a Bustling Automobile Row Anchor, Now Empty
By JAMES BARRON

Robert Caplin for The New York Times
1780 Broadway, the former B.F. Goodrich buildingIt was a dignified mainstay of Automobile Row, the line of glittery showrooms and automobile-related offices that stretched up Broadway from the West 50s to somewhere north of Columbus Circle. Its tire-company name lingered when new tenants moved in, among them a studio where stars like Duke Ellington made recordings.

Now the former B.F. Goodrich building at 1780 Broadway is empty.

The last retail tenant, a shoe store, closed last month. The other first-floor store, Columbus Circle Wines and Spirits, had moved a few blocks away, to 1802 Broadway, near Central Park South, when its lease expired at the end of 2007.

“We were one of the first to leave,” said Laurent Cherrier, a manager of the store. “I believe we were told it was going to be torn down and they were going to build condos, but it was more of a rumor than anything official.”
By 2009, when the city Landmarks Preservation Commission gave landmark status to 1780 Broadway, the Extell Development Corporation was said to be planning a 50-story hotel with apartments or offices for the adjacent site at 225 West 57th Street, the site of a building that was connected to 1780 Broadway.

The Municipal Art Society testified in favor of designating both buildings and said it was “particularly concerned about the fate of the 57th Street facade.” But Extell warned that a landmark designation on the 57th Street building would endanger the project, and the landmarks commission decided not to give the 57th Street building landmark status, only 1780 Broadway.

The commission voted after four City Council members indicated they might overturn a landmark designation on the 57th Street building, saying they did not want to jeopardize the planned hotel tower.

Extell, which is now building a $1.3 billion skyscraper a block away, on 57th Street opposite Carnegie Hall, says it expects to begin demolition of 225 West 57th Street in the next few weeks. As for what it plans to build on the site of No. 225, a spokesman said: “We are going over a gamut of possibilities including mixed use and residential. There is a wide range of possibilities.”
The buildings at 1780 Broadway at 225 West 57th Street opened to considerable fanfare in 1909. The trade publication The Automobile mentioned them in an article headlined “Handsome Additions to New York’s Automobile Row.” Goodrich bragged that “the ‘great white tread’ of the Goodrich tire is the big mileage tread of the ‘great white way’ and every other street and avenue in New York.”

Originally, Goodrich had a tire showroom on the first floor. On the 12th floor, where there is a balcony overlooking Broadway, were, as Goodrich put it, “the most complete automobile tire repair facilities in the United States.”

The two buildings were the work of Howard Van Doren Shaw, a prolific Chicago architect who had designed a house in Ohio for Goodrich’s president at the beginning of the 20th century. The landmarks commission noted that Shaw collaborated with the Manhattan firm of Waid & Willauer on the two Automobile Row buildings.

The Buildings Department said only that one permit had been issued for 1780 Broadway, back in 2007. It was for a “sidewalk shed,” the temporary structure necessary when exterior repairs are being done. The permit has been renewed until January of next year, a spokeswoman for the Buildings Department said.

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RW I recall for some reason you saying a while back this has more air rights than C57, that true or did I dream that?

I have really high expectations for this site given how good C57 will look. Hopefully they wont torture us with a painfully long wait before releasing a render, after a final design is selected and all that of course. You have to think that with the high end residential market the way it is in NY, and that this is basically right on the park financing should be easier to get than for other buildings.

Good to see this finally has it's own thread!
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This one has 25% to 33% more air rights than 155 W 57th. We could get quite a tall tower here!
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Here's the rough footprint of 225w57


compare with Carnegie 57:


We can see that the lot itself is quite a bit bigger than Carnegie 57's lot.
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Extell filed these demo papers on 6 June 2011:


NYC Department of Buildings
Work Permit Data
Premises: 217 WEST 57 STREET MANHATTAN Filed At: 221 WEST 57TH STREET MANHATTAN
BIN: 1080870 Block: 1029 Lot: 19 Job Type: DM - FULL DEMOLITION

View Permit History
Job No: 110439071 Fee: STANDARD
Permit No: 110439071-01-DM Issued: Expires: 03/08/2012
Seq. No.: 04 Filing Date: 06/06/2011 RENEWAL Status: IN PROCESS
Work: Proposed Job Start: 05/29/2009 Work Approved: 01/22/2009
FULL DEMOLITION -
DEMOLITION OF 12 STORY STRUCTURE-THIS PROPERTY HAS AKA ADDRESSES 217-223 W 57TH
ST

Use: COM - COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS - OLD CODE Landmark: NO Stories: 12
Site Fill: OFF-SITE
Review is requested under Building Code: 1968

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Adding more than three stories: No
Removing one or more stories: Yes
Performing work in 50% or more of the area of the building: No
Demolishing 50% or more of the area of the building: Yes
Performing a vertical or horizontal enlargement adding more than 25% of the area of the building: No
Mechanical equipment other than handheld devices to be used for demolition or removal of debris to be used: No

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Issued to: DANIEL COLASUONNO GC SAFETY REGISTRATION: 0027837-GC
Business: TITAN CONTRACTING GP INC
66 00 LONG ISLAND EXPY MASPETH NY 11378 Phone: 718-424-0300


DEMOLITION CHECKLIST 06/06/2011 CODE DESCRIPTION STATUS
A01 PRE-DEMO INSPECTOR'S REPORT WAIVED
A02 WORKMEN'S COMPENSATION INSURANCE WAIVED
A03 DISABILITY BENEFITS INSURANCE WAIVED
A04 STREET OBSTRUCTION BOND WAIVED
A05 RODENT CONTROL WAIVED
A06 GAS CUT-OFF WAIVED
A07 ELECTRIC CUT-OFF WAIVED
A08 SEWER CUT-OFF WAIVED
A09 WATER CUT-OFF WAIVED
A10 SRO INTAKE FORM (SR01) / HPD3 CHECKLIST WAIVED
A11 5 DAY PRIOR NOTICE TO ADJOINING OWNERS WAIVED
A12 COMMUNITY BOARD NOTIFICATION WAIVED
A13 ASBESTOS REPORT (ACP5/ASB4) WAIVED
A14 PHOTOGRAPHS WAIVED
A15 PW1 APPLICATION FOR FENCE OR NB WAIVED
A16 APPOINTMENT CARD FROM B.E.S.T WAIVED
A17 LANDMARK LETTER RE NO DESIGNATION OR CAL WAIVED
A18 TITLE SEARCH WAIVED
A19 DEED FOR TRANSFER OF UNIMPROVED PROPERTY WAIVED
A20 ECB VIOLATIONS(S) FOR ILLEGAL DEMOLITION WAIVED
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Demolition permits for another one of the buildings on this sit were filed on 8 JUne 2011.

This is the empty structure which is located on the north side of the site on W58th st.



Premises: 216 WEST 58 STREET MANHATTAN Job No: 120717313
BIN: 1024906 Block: 1029 Lot: 43 Document: 01 OF 1
Job Type: DM - FULL DEMOLITION

Document Overview Items Required Virtual Job Folder All Permits Schedule A Schedule B
Fees Paid Forms Received All Comments C/O Summary Plumbing Inspections
Crane Information Plan Examination
After Hours Variance Permits

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This job is not subject to the Department's Development Challenge Process. For any issues, please contact the relevant borough office.

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Last Action: PRE-FILING 06/08/2011 (A)

Pre-Filed: 06/08/2011 Building Type: Other Estimated Total Cost: $0.00
Date Filed: Fee Structure: STANDARD Filing Method: E-FILED
Review is requested under Building Code: 2008
Job Description Comments

1 Location Information (Filed At)
House No(s): 216 Street Name: WEST 58TH STREET
Borough: Manhattan Block: 1029 Lot: 43 BIN: 1024906 CB No: 105
Work on Floor(s): 001 thru 007 Apt/Condo No(s):

2 Applicant of Record Information
Name: LAWRENCE SHAPIRO
Business Name: HOWARD I SHAPIRO & ASSOCITAES Business Phone: 516-791-2600
Business Address: 303 MERRICK ROAD LYNBROOK NY 11563 Business Fax:
E-Mail: Mobile Telephone: 516-791-2600
License Number: 060597
Applicant Type: P.E. R.A Sign Hanger Other

Directive 14 Applicant
Not Applicable
Previous Applicant of Record
Not Applicable

3 Filing Representative
Name: KARISSA SANCHEZ
Business Name: EXPEDITER Business Phone: 917-676-2032
Business Address: 9 HALE STREET SI NY 10307 Business Fax:
E-Mail: Mobile Telephone:
Registration Number: S24413

4 Filing Status
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5 Job Types
Alteration Type 1 New Building
Change in Exits/Egress
Change in Number of Stories Alteration Type 2 Full Demolition
Change in Number of Dwelling Units Alteration Type 3 Subdivision: Improved
Change in Room Count / Dwelling Units Sign Subdivision: Condo
Change in Occupancy / Use
Change inconsistent with current Cert. of Occup.
Alteration Type 1, OT "No Work" Directive 14 acceptance requested? Yes No

6 Work Types
BL - Boiler FA - Fire Alarm FB - Fuel Burning FS - Fuel Storage
FP - Fire Suppression MH - Mechanical PL - Plumbing SD - Standpipe
SP - Sprinkler EQ - Construction Equipment CC - Curb Cut
OT - Other

7 Plans/Construction Documents Submitted
Plans Page Count: Not Provided

8 Additional Information
Enlargement proposed?
No Yes Horizontal Vertical
Street Frontage: 40 linear ft.

9 Additional Considerations, Limitations or Restrictions
Yes No
Structural peer review required per BC §1627 Peer Reviewer License No.(P.E.):
Filed to Comply with Local Law Local Law No./Year:
Other, Specify:
Restrictive Declaration / Easement
Zoning Exhibit Record (I,II,III,etc)
Landmark
Filed to Address Violation(s)
Legalization
"Little E" Hazmat Site
Unmapped Street Yes No
Adult Establishment Included in LMCCC
Compensated Development (Inclusionary Housing) Infill Zoning
Low Income Housing (Inclusionary Housing) Loft Board
Single Room Occupancy (SRO) Multiple Dwelling Quality Housing
Filing includes Lot Merger / Reapportionment (If Yes,17)
Includes permanent removal of standpipe, sprinkler or fire suppression related systems
Work includes partial demolition as defined in AC §28-101.5
Structural Stability affected by proposed work
Work includes lighting fixture and/or controls, installation or replacement. [§ECC 404 and 505]
Site Safety Job / Project

BSA Calendar No.(s):
CPC Calendar No.(s):

10 NYCECC Compliance New York City Energy Conservation Code (Applicant Statement)
Not Provided

11 Job Description
DEMOLITION OF A 7 STORY BUILDING MECHANICAL MEANS
Related BIS Job Numbers:
Primary application Job Number:

12 Zoning Characteristics
District(s): C5-1 - RESTRICTED CENTRAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT
Overlay(s):
Special District(s):
Map No.: 8c Street legal width (ft.): Street status: Public Private
Zoning lot includes the following tax lots: Not Provided
13 Building Characteristics

Existing 2008 Code Designations?
Occupancy Classification: S-1 - STORAGE: MODERATE HAZARD Yes No
Construction Classification: I-B: 2 HOUR PROTECTED - NON-COMBUST Yes No
Multiple Dwelling Classification:
Building Height (ft.): 77
Building Stories: 7
Dwelling Units:

Mixed use building? Yes No

14 Fill
Not Applicable Off-Site On-Site Under 300 cubic yards

15 Construction Equipment
Chute Sidewalk Shed Construction Material: WOOD
Fence Size: linear ft. BSA/MEA Approval No.:
Supported Scaffold Other

16 Curb Cut Description
Not Applicable

17 Tax Lot Characteristics
Not Provided

18 Fire Protection Equipment
Not Applicable

19 Open Spaces

20 Site Characteristics
Not Provided

21 Demolition Details

Pre-Demolition Inspection: NOT RECORDED


Yes No
Demolishing a secondary structure? Specify:
Mechanical means from out of building? entire structure or part of structure
Mechanical means from within building? Describe equipment proposed:
Demolition work affects the exterior building envelope

22 Asbestos Abatement Compliance
The scope of work requires related asbestos abatement as defined in the regulations of the NYC Department of Environmental Protection (DEP).
The scope of work does not require related asbestos abatement as defined in the regulations of the NYC DEP.
The scope of work is exempt from the asbestos requirement as defined in the regulations promulgated by the NYC DEP (15 RCNY 1-23(b)).

23 Signs
Not Applicable

24 Comments

Comments for Document 01
DEMOLITION OF A 7 STORY BUILDING


25 Applicant's Statements and Signatures ( See paper form or check Forms Received )
Yes No
For New Building and Alteration 1 applications filed under the 2008 NYC Building Code only: does this building qualify for high-rise designation?
Directive 14 applications only: I certify that the construction documents submitted and all construction documents related to this application do not require a new or amended Certificate of Occupancy as there is no change in use, exits, or occupancy.

26 Owner's Information
Name: RAIZY HAAS
Relationship to Owner: PRESIDENT
Business Name: BROADWAY TRIO LLC Business Phone: 212-712-6114
Business Address: 805 THIRD AVE NY NY 10022 Business Fax:
E-Mail: Owner Type: PARTNERSHIP
Non Profit: Yes No

Yes No
Owner's Certification Regarding Occupied Housing (Remain Occupied)
Owner's Certification Regarding Occupied Housing (Rent Control / Stabilization)
Owner DHCR Notification
Owner's Certification for Adult Establishment
Owner's Certification for Directive 14 (if applicable)


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To view metes and bounds, see the Plot Diagram (form PD-1). A scanned image may be available here.
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If the rumors about the Drake are true, I wouldn't be surprised to see this take the #2 spot in the city. While the Drake site seems close to getting underway, this has another year or two at least before construction begins--I don't see why they wouldn't aim taller in order to gain the new 'most exclusive' address, especially if foreign investment continues to increase (no reason why it wouldn't--NYC is the world's capital and if you're important enough, you usually have to have a place here!).

1,500' given the air rights? I really don't think it may be that far off. This building and the new PA Tower (which is apparently 1.5 MSF instead of 1.3, so it may have had a taller redesign? or I may be ignorant...) are going to radically redefine the view from New Jersey (besides everything in Hudson Yards!).
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What also makes NY particularly attractive to foreign investors is the weak dollar.

But more in regard to this tower, I was playing softball in Central Park a few days ago and not only will this be taller than C57, but it also has much less in front of it blocking views of the park. C57 has a few buildings which sit directly in front of it and sort of block some views on the lower floors. Those buildings aren't very tall, but between innings I tried to imagine where this tower would be and if I placed it right there isn't really anything at all in front of this. That could mean almost completely and utterly unobstructed views of the park from floor 10 or 15 up to the top.

Just a sort of fyi. Hard to imagine that C57 will be a decent lick taller than anything in the direct area, until this arrives probably 2 years behind C57.
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But more in regard to this tower, I was playing softball in Central Park a few days ago and not only will this be taller than C57, but it also has much less in front of it blocking views of the park. C57 has a few buildings which sit directly in front of it and sort of block some views on the lower floors. Those buildings aren't very tall, but between innings I tried to imagine where this tower would be and if I placed it right there isn't really anything at all in front of this. That could mean almost completely and utterly unobstructed views of the park from floor 10 or 15 up to the top.
That may not be true for long. There is a moderately tall tower(30-40 floors) planned for the block between this and Central Park which would be right in front of 225.
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Barnett is developing the tower on the north side of 58th that you refer to. Therefore, I doubt that it will block 225 W57th's views.
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Demo permits were filed on 30 June 2011, and the structure has been re-covered in netting.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Wo...70&requestid=2

A demo permit for 220 W58th St, which is on the north side of this site, was filed on 9 June 2011.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

They need to get Morton Williams out of 225 W 57th. To my knowledge, that building is otherwise empty and was also re-covered with netting recently.
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The site will be primed for Extell's next move by the time One 57 is topped out. It will be very interesting watching the development process of this one.
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I agree. Maybe even sooner. According to an article in the 1 July 2011 NY Times, the market for very high-end new construction is scorching and the supply is limited. It specifically refers to Barnett and One 57. If he gets 225 West 57th out of the ground before Torre Verre and The Drake, Extell will dominate this segment.

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TWC apartment sells for over $6,400/sf. Therefore, 225 W57th is needed to fill the high demand for mega-exclusive units!

From the realdeal.com on 7-7-11

Jay-Z's former Time Warner Center penthouse to set new building record
July 07, 2011 12:30PM

The 4,825-square-foot Time Warner Center penthouse once rented by Jay-Z has gone into contract for $31 million, according to the Post. At over $6,400 per square foot, the deal would be the priciest ever at the Related Companies-developed condominium tower. The 76th-floor spread has tried for building records before; in 2010, current owner Todd Wagner, Mark Cuban's co-founder of Broadcast.com, put it on the market with the penthouse upstairs as a potential $73.5 million combination -- the most expensive listing in Manhattan. On its own, Wagner's apartment, which he bought from investor Michael Hirtenstein for $27 million in 2007, was last asking $38 million. The buyer is rumored to be an Asian financier. Raphael and Claudine De Niro of Prudential Douglas Elliman had the listing. [Post, 6th item]


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More demo permits were filed for 221 and 225 W57th on 14 July 2011.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01
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http://www.observer.com/2011/08/expl...th-tire-tower/

Explosive Extell Demoing West 57th Tire Tower
By Matt Chaban 12:40pm
Riverside South and One57. Which can we expect for Broadway? (Extell)
Gary Barnett continues to bulldoze his way across the city. Just last week, his Extell Development unveiled plans for a new tower at Riverside South; found a partner for a stalled 50-story hotel near Times Square; and secured $700 million in financing from Abu Dhabi toward One57, the condo-hotel tower on West 57th Street that will be the tallest, and likely most expensive, when it is completed. As if that were not enough, the developer has begun work just down the block on another of its long-simmering projects.

At the corner of Broadway and 57th Street, Extell has plans for yet another soaring tower; it will be either commercial or residential, an official decision has not been made. That has not kept the developer from moving ahead with demolition of some of the buildings it owns on the site, a controversial task since Extell fought off an effort by the Landmarks Preservation Commission to preserve two of the structures in 2009.

Extell assembled the T-shaped plot last decade and then took out a $256 million mortgage on it, leading to quite a bit of consternation when the commission unexpectedly decided 1780 Broadway and 225 West 57th Street were worth saving. Once owned by B.F. Goodrich, they are part of a stretch of Jazz Age dealerships known as Automobile Row. In the end, the commission brooked a contentious deal to save 1780 Broadway while allowing 225 West 57th Street to be torn down.

The site, like so many others at the moment, had lain fallow through the downturn but has now reawakened. Between February and June of this year, Extell filed a series of demolition permits for various buildings on 57th and 58th streets, which the Department of Buildings approved last month. One of those buildings is now coming down, with others to follow. “We’re doing salvage work on the interiors of 217 and 221 West 57th and then start this week to take down the three-story 217 floor by floor,” an Extell spokesman said in an email last week.

The spokesman would not disclose whether the project had financing, but that has not stopped Extell before. Demolition commenced years before construction started on either the One57 site or the International Gem Tower in the Diamond District, and both began construction using only Extell’s equity. As shown at One57, this strategy allowed the developer to act faster because Mr. Barnett did not need to wait for the wrecking ball, and his construction progress helped attract investors, a particularly challenging prospect during the current economic malaise.

Extell also declined to discuss an architect or designs for the 57th and Broadway project, which brings the story back to Riverside South.

For years, Mr. Barnett was known for developing rather pedestrian buildings in line with the man he replaced on that redoubt overlooking the Hudson, Donald Trump. More recently, he has striven for greater architectural ambition, hiring SOM for the International Gem Tower and KPF for the aborted World Commerce Centre. Meanwhile, notable firms such as Lucian LeGrange and FXFowle have been designing some of his residential projects.

Perhaps no architect has benefited more than Christian de Portzamparc, the French Pritzker Prize winner who had built nothing in the city besides the LVMH headquarters a decade ago, with few buildings to his name elsewhere. Now, Mr. Barnett has become his biggest patron, tapping Mr. de Portzamparc not only for One57 but also for Riverside Center, the five-tower complex that is the final piece of the Riverside South puzzle. Extell won a tough rezoning fight for the project last year.

Now that Mr. Barnett has turned to Goldstein Hill & West Architects, a firm best known for working with Costas Kondylis on some of the city’s blander buildings, for the final Riverside South tower that is not a piece of Mr. de Portzamparc’s plan, it raises the question of what sort of designs New Yorkers can expect at 57th Street and Broadway. Will it be another Pritzker-worthy prize, or has Extell returned to more pedestrian fare?

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At the corner of Broadway and 57th Street, Extell has plans for yet another soaring tower; it will be either commercial or residential, an official decision has not been made.
That will make all the difference on design and height.
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Agreed. A 1.3m sf office building would be about 750 feet tall, whereas a 1.3m sf hotel/condo could be 1,400 feet tall. That being said, it is highly unlikely that it would be entirely commercial. It might have a small office component of 300,000 sf, but that would still likely yield a tower of well over 1,000 feet.
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Thanks for that RW. I don't want to just to conclusions, but this is more likely to be a hotel/residential building as opposed to an office building correct? Given the low rents at the WTC, Hudson Yards, etc, and in general just the number of other large office buildings planned. Also, I'd have to imagine the types of views that this site will offer would be more suitable to residential units, and provide Extell with greater ROI.

All speculation at this point obviously, but Barnett is certainly leaving his mark on the NYC skyline.
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At the corner of Broadway and 57th Street, Extell has plans for yet another soaring tower; it will be either commercial or residential, an official decision has not been made.
That's the first I remember hearing that this might not be residential.
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