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Old Posted: Jun 23, 2011, 5:07 PM
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Hello everyone,

I am new to this site so if I make a mistake please be patient.

I have a question about the Attika. Just out of curiosity. Is anyone here NOT appose to it?

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I'm not opposed to the project in principle. And of course it's easy to be fine with 36 storeys when I'm nowhere near the thing. But I'd like to see some more design details before I jump on any bandwagons.
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Old Posted: Jun 23, 2011, 11:36 PM
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Hello everyone,

I am new to this site so if I make a mistake please be patient.

I have a question about the Attika. Just out of curiosity. Is anyone here NOT appose to it?

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I'm not opposed to a 36 story building in this neighbourhood. I'm opposed to this project, because I don't have faith that a neophyte tower developer won't make a dog's breakfast out of it, thus poisoning the well for a developer that can actually put something fantastic together for the neighbourhood.
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Old Posted: Jun 23, 2011, 11:38 PM
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discussion of the contamination issue (Red Herring?) from the Citizen: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/mobile/...879/story.html
You can read the Paterson report that is the basis for current contamination hysteria on our web site. Long and short of it is that the Hill and Knowlton PR consultant working on Tega's behalf started putting it out there that the contamination on the site is endangering people's ability to re-finance their homes. When we got a whiff of that we went to Honeywell to solicit a letter and get assurances that nothing has changed since Honeywell received its current authorization from the Ministry to start remediation. If you read the Paterson report, which is all of two pages long, there's clearly no assertion in there of any risk to health or property. It is, frankly, dirty tricks by a developer that has no legitimate planning basis for proposing a 36-storey tower. Once again, on this site, we're dealing with a gong show, which is frustrating. Tega's not even a member of the Greater Ottawa Home Builders Association. This whole project is smoke and mirrors to try to get some kind of zoning above the now-approved 8 storeys to make flipping it to a real developer profitable. This is the kind of shenanigans that gives an entire homebuilding industry in Ottawa a black eye.
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Old Posted: Jun 23, 2011, 11:45 PM
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This statement isn't correct, and is easily falsifiable given the history of this piece of land: the previous proposal for development on this block was 26 stories lower, and the reaction from the community was very different. You can read about it in the old thread: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=180638

(long story short, the biggest problems in that case were the developer's unco-operative attitude and amateurish business plan, not the scale of the building, which a more conscientious developer probably could have easily negotiated community buy-in for)
Had the previous guys made some kind of effort to provide a community benefit that wasn't smoke and mirrors, and had they not been probably the least likely, least professional developers y'all have ever met, they might have succeeded in building something. We were going down a productive path with them on some kind of concession for the arts, following the model of the Currents building, when they lost patience with us and started berating both we and, probably more fatally, the press, for asking too much. About three months of patience and a few more concessions by way of real benefits, and they probably could have been in like Flynn.
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Old Posted: Jun 25, 2011, 8:55 PM
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I'd be curious to hear the gong-show goings-ons on that shady developer - sounds amusing. I had never heard of them before or since.

As for Alkatraz - I mean Attika - I'm pretty sure most of the people on this board agree that the location fr this building should be moved north a few blocks. I'd like to see it, or something ambitious like it, built somewhere in the city, so it's a shame they're proposing it for this location where it will just result in a lengthy, drawn out process that will end in something much shorter that neiher the community or the developer want.

They can't sell Bayview yards fast enough - that is where this building should be.
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Old Posted: Jun 30, 2011, 9:54 PM
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Quality builders we're dealing with here...

"She said Tega has never offered to underpin her own building. 'There’s never been any effort.'"

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Te...#ixzz1QnZ7Wqj4
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Old Posted: Jul 1, 2011, 1:07 PM
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Quality builders we're dealing with here...

"She said Tega has never offered to underpin her own building. 'There’s never been any effort.'"

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Te...#ixzz1QnZ7Wqj4
I know, right? they can't handle a little clay, and we're supposed to trust them with a contaminated site?

also reveals their likely plans for the Carleton and baby clothes shop... "oh sorry, the structures were unsound; guess we'll have to replace them with another tower, let's say 23-storeys? you know, to balance out the first two buildings"
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Old Posted: Jul 12, 2011, 11:51 AM
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Katherine Hobbs was on the CeeB this morning to talk about this. She said the developer hasn't approached about the development and that she doesn't really know anything more than what was in the newspaper ad, and what Kitchissippi residents have told her by email. I had wondered why Ottawa Morning had had her on to talk about SoHo Italia when it was first unveiled similarly in an ad in the paper, and Kathleen Petty never asked the good councillor what she would have thought if the proposal was on X street in Kitchissippi Ward, instead of Preston. Now, sure enough, a similar proposal is made for Parkdale, and unsurprisingly, she is disappointed by the developer's decision to go to the papers before the community, and she finds the scale of the building inappropriate for the location, etc.
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Old Posted: Aug 24, 2011, 2:16 PM
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I hope this building gets approved and made, love how this area is slowly getting fixed up and improved!
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Old Posted: Oct 1, 2011, 3:32 PM
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couple of websites

http://attikacondos.com/ - developer's site - ATTIKA on the Park (8 Storey) and ATTIKA Tower (36 Storey)

http://hintonburg.com/attika.html - HCA's page with updates
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Old Posted: Oct 1, 2011, 6:29 PM
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the fact that there is a glaring spelling error on their website doesn't give me much confidence. is tega a joke or what? 'wolrd class facilities'
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"on the Park". Of course.

Well, at least it's spelled with a -k this time.
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Old Posted: Oct 1, 2011, 7:15 PM
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"on the Park". Of course.

Well, at least it's spelled with a -k this time.
and at least it actually is on a park...
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Old Posted: Oct 6, 2011, 6:22 AM
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Here's a blog post from the Ottawa Citizen.

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Hume to Tega’s 36 storeys: No, no, also no

October 6, 2011. 12:14 am • Section: City

This morning I took a break from the provincial election to drop by the Ottawa Real Estate Forum. In particular, I wanted to hear the panel with the cumbersome title, “A vision for growth and development in the National Capital Region: What are the strategies of the NCC and the City of Ottawa?”

I’m glad I did.

Peter Hume, who’s the councillor for Alta Vista and the chair of the planning committee, put the development community on notice that the city will not be entertaining re-zoning applications for sites where the zoning has already been decided through a community design plan.

Hume singled out a proposed development in Hintonburg, where Tega wants to construct a two-building complex that would include a 36-storey building — the tallest in Ottawa. But the location was included in a recent community design plan, which calls for a maximum of eight storeys.

The planning chair was clear today: no way.

(Earlier this year, I wrote about this development, which is controversial for more than just wanting to flaunt the existing zoning. Tega claims it needs the extra height to cover the $12 million clean-up of the contaminated site, which used to be owned by Honeywell. Hume says that Tega and its partners knew full well the site was contaminated when they bought it, and that it was zoned for eight floors. And the Ministry of Environment confirmed it is overseeing Honeywell’s continued clean-up of the site. )

Hume has spoken about his plan to firm up zoning in some areas of the city, in order to give more certainty to the community and to developers. In fact, I did a story on this last December (yes, I’m getting a little preoccupied with planning issues), and Hume said then that the idea would be to pre-zone key areas of intensification in the city. It wouldn’t necessarily mean people would be happy – no one really likes change, especially when that change is a condo tower at the end of your street – but at least residents would know what to expect. And developers would know ahead of time how much they’d be allowed to build, and would pay for land accordingly.

But today’s panel was the first time I’ve heard Hume speak to the issue so firmly in public.

Here’s the key part of his statement:

“We believe that community design plans are incredibly important. They are designed to tell you where height is and is not appropriate. And we believe they are not jumping-off points. Once we complete a community design plan, and we zone appropriately to the heights that are designated in the plan, it’s not a jumping-off point for more.

“West Wellington’s a great example. We completed a community design plan, and we spent many hours doing it. And we just received an application from Tega Homes to go to 36 storeys. It’s totally out of keeping with the community design plan. We believe that we have to respect those community design plans. We’re doing them for a purpose, and that purpose is to bring you certainty.

“So I tell you now that when those happen, like Tega Homes who is looking for 36 storeys, the answer is going to be simple: ‘No.’ It’s ‘no’ at 36 storeys, it’s ‘no’ at 30 storeys, it’s ‘no’ at 25 storeys, it’s ‘no’ at 20 storeys.”

Hugh Gorman, a principal with Bridgeport Realty Capital Partners who was on the panel along with Francois Lapointe, the VP of planning at the NCC, actually agreed with Hume. Gorman put it this charming way: “When my kids ask for another cookie, I say, ‘no, there’s no more cookies, you’ve had enough.’ And when a developer comes to you and wants 35 storeys in a zone under a CDP that’s got a lot less than that, I think there’s got to be consistency.”

But.

Gorman said there has to be “balance” on the other side, that when there’s a demand in the community for housing (in particular condos, I imagine), and it’s in compliance with the CDP ”or close to it, you’ve got to stop councillors in that area from exerting undue influence in the process.”

So this discussion is far from over (although it does seem to be at an end for Tega’s hopes of building the city’s tallest condo tower). Hume told the crowd he and Mayor Jim Watson would hold a second planning summit this winter that will focus on a “significant review of just where our official plan is meant to take us.”

The first summit took place in early 2010, after which the city reconvened a design review panel (the old one had quit in disgust). Hume also said that while he understands that “some — maybe all — of you in this room feel that the panel is bureaucratic and its recommendations are unreasonable, unworkable, don’t respect the economic circumstances that you operate in, we understand that and we are open to making changes. But I’m here to tell you, the panel is here to stay.”
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Old Posted: Oct 6, 2011, 1:46 PM
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I know the name probably refers to somewhere in Greece but I can't help but think of a prison riot when I hear it...
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and at least it actually is on a park...
Well, that's just gravy!
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Old Posted: Oct 9, 2011, 2:05 PM
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Been a while since we had to post an update, but Hume's speech and the filing of an application are the subject of our latest entry.

http://hintonburg.com/attika.html#9OctoberUpdate
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Old Posted: Oct 11, 2011, 12:58 AM
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edit: oops wrong thread
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Old Posted: Apr 24, 2012, 2:08 PM
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Also via twitter last night: ‏

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Tega Homes submitting substantially revised plans instead of proposed 36 storey condo on Parkdale Park. Details as soon as we know. #tega36
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