Calgary Census 2011

[armorand93]

(Winnipegger here) How much is the population now, census-wise?

[Policy Wonk]

Originally Posted by kw5150

its panorama hills. People all over the world are disgusted at how we use land and resources.

So was there an anti-Panorama manifesto published in Green Anarchist or Green Anarchy or something? I haven't run into this sentiment in my travels myself.

[freeweed]

Originally Posted by DizzyEdge

I'd be curious how many of the 'under 19' are 17 and 18 vs 16 and under.

(waits for the remarks)

Err.. 16 is legal these days, so you really should have said "vs 15 and under".

That's what you meant by "remarks", right?

[freeweed]

Originally Posted by Policy Wonk

So was there an anti-Panorama manifesto published in Green Anarchist or Green Anarchy or something? I haven't run into this sentiment in my travels myself.

Me either. And considering the multinational that I work for, and the tourists I meet on a pretty much daily basis due to my hobbies... pretty much everyone is amazed at how well we're using our land.

Except the odd Brit or German, who thinks the mountains are far under-developed and we should put cabins and condos everywhere. I actually had someone tell me that Canmore is "nowhere near dense enough".

About the only complaint I hear on a regular basis is how empty downtown feels at night. Beyond that, they're positively thrilled to see so much well-tended land.

[Policy Wonk]

In the circles I travel in Calgary is held up as a mecca of mass transit that suggests that not only LRT but buses can thrive anywhere.

Calgary is also a city that simply for its size and character has no manifest sprawl.

[Radley77]

One of the things I picked up on the census was the suprisingly rapid population growth of East Village. From 2007 to 2011, it grew from 2,201 to 2,747 or 25%. This makes it the within the 25 fastest growing communities in Calgary.

Has there been a bunch of units completed in East Village? I can think of the two towers that were completed a couple years ago, but had thought they were in Chinatown...

[DizzyEdge]

Originally Posted by freeweed

Err.. 16 is legal these days, so you really should have said "vs 15 and under".

That's what you meant by "remarks", right?

Anyway, my actual point was that 17/18 could be living on their own, and therefore wouldn't necessarily be parts of families, so the under 19 number might not fully be 'kids in the beltline'

[suburb]

Originally Posted by Radley77

One of the things I picked up on the census was the suprisingly rapid population growth of East Village. From 2007 to 2011, it grew from 2,201 to 2,747 or 25%. This makes it the within the 25 fastest growing communities in Calgary.

Has there been a bunch of units completed in East Village? I can think of the two towers that were completed a couple years ago, but had thought they were in Chinatown...

An increase of 546 people in an early stage developing area is not that much. When looking at percentage growth from the point of comparison, you need to normalize to other like areas (and there are only so many). For an explanation of where these people may have went, it may not have all been new buildings - as there could be more occupants in what was already there. It is really not that many units if you think about it - about 200 dwellings perhaps.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Radley77

One of the things I picked up on the census was the suprisingly rapid population growth of East Village. From 2007 to 2011, it grew from 2,201 to 2,747 or 25%. This makes it the within the 25 fastest growing communities in Calgary.

Has there been a bunch of units completed in East Village? I can think of the two towers that were completed a couple years ago, but had thought they were in Chinatown...

Riverfront Pointe is within East Village - which probably accounts for that 500 people or so.

[Deepstar]

Originally Posted by armorand93

(Winnipegger here) How much is the population now, census-wise?

Just under 1.1 mil. (1,091,000) The metro population is closing in on 1.3 million.

[kw5150]

Originally Posted by Policy Wonk

So was there an anti-Panorama manifesto published in Green Anarchist or Green Anarchy or something? I haven't run into this sentiment in my travels myself.

Oh yeah, like some foreigner is going to bring up how much land and resources you waste when you just meet him.....We just need to be careful. The suburbs are not sustainable and are a waste of good land.......and time. The further we grow out, the longer the commute. I will never live my life stuck in car (or transit) for an hour or more everyday when I could be at home relaxing.

[Radley77]

Originally Posted by suburb

An increase of 546 people in an early stage developing area is not that much. When looking at percentage growth from the point of comparison, you need to normalize to other like areas (and there are only so many). For an explanation of where these people may have went, it may not have all been new buildings - as there could be more occupants in what was already there. It is really not that many units if you think about it - about 200 dwellings perhaps.

I guess it's noteworthy from the standpoint that most commonly, geographic areas in Calgary are depopulating.

East Village is in the top ten for population growth in a non-greenfield type development. I think it's also noteworthy for being a place that is highly walkable and growing. Among others with this kinda growth is Beltline, Hillhurst, West Hillhurst, Bridgeland\Riverside and Parkdale.

[Policy Wonk]

Originally Posted by kw5150

Oh yeah, like some foreigner is going to bring up how much land and resources you waste when you just meet him.....We just need to be careful. The suburbs are not sustainable and are a waste of good land.......and time. The further we grow out, the longer the commute. I will never live my life stuck in car (or transit) for an hour or more everyday when I could be at home relaxing.

Given this type of development is increasingly building out on every continent except Antarctica perhaps these hypothetical foreign ideologues might have some concerns closer to home than Panorama.

Suburbs are booming in India, Latin America and West Africa. The new bourgeoisie of the developing world isn't going to settle for Richard Florida approved neo-tennaments. They want their house, yard and car.

[kw5150]

Originally Posted by Policy Wonk

Given this type of development is increasingly building out on every continent except Antarctica perhaps these hypothetical foreign ideologues might have some concerns closer to home than Panorama.

Suburbs are booming in India, Latin America and West Africa. The new bourgeoisie of the developing world isn't going to settle for Richard Florida approved neo-tennaments. They want their house, yard and car.

How unfortunate. Their quality of life for those people flocking to the burbs is going to plummet in so many other areas......

You forgot to mention how quickly condo life is catching on. One day, suburbs (and the gargantuan homes with 55 shower heads and 5 toilets) will be talked about in history books as one of the biggest fails in human society.

You should really take a course or two about how suburbia affects society. It may open your mind just a wee bit.

[sim]

Originally Posted by Policy Wonk

Given this type of development is increasingly building out on every continent except Antarctica perhaps these hypothetical foreign ideologues might have some concerns closer to home than Panorama.

Suburbs are booming in India, Latin America and West Africa. The new bourgeoisie of the developing world isn't going to settle for Richard Florida approved neo-tennaments. They want their house, yard and car.

Yup, pretty good idea to emulate a culture that has an overweighted sense of entitlement.

Not saying you are advocating that, but I wouldn't use it as an arguement. Why wouldn't people want that? Of course they want that. Everyone wants that. It just isn't realistic, nor environmentally and especially financially sustainable.

I'm not going to go and say that around the world people are pointing fingers at Calgary in disgust, but the type of land-use and development pattern it employs is indeed frowned upon. While perhaps not an Atlanta or Houston, which very truthfully are, in the eyes of the world - at least in regards with people who are knowledgeable in this field - Calgary wouldn't exactly be a poster boy for the opposite.

What I don't understand, and we can throw all the social and environmental metrics out the window, is that in a city that is so business minded, very few seem to understand the poor land and resource utilization we implement. No company could survive like that. Space costs money within the context of a city whether it is scarce or not.

Let's call a spade a spade here. Calgary is one of the least dense large cities there is. I'm not discounting recent strides to deviate from this, but there is still a lot of work to be done. It's like step 1 of AA - a problem must be admitted first... or something like that.

[kw5150]

TORONTO

Here are some stats on the growing trend in urban (condo) living. Things are looking up for Canada's largest city!!

Originally Posted by caltrane74

http://www.thestar.com/article/10312...ea-on-the-rise

• Toronto to become a city of highrises, due to changes in provincial land planning policies.
  
• 60% of the GTA new home market is now highrise, that number will only increase. (In 2000 it was 20%)
  
• Average number of annual new homes sales in the GTA = 40,000 units.

[freeweed]

Originally Posted by kw5150

One day, suburbs (and the gargantuan homes with 55 shower heads and 5 toilets) will be talked about in history books as one of the biggest fails in human society.

Hyperbole much? How do you enjoy living in your 80 sq ft condo with rats and cockroaches and major crime in the hallway every day?

[Policy Wonk]

Originally Posted by kw5150

How unfortunate. Their quality of life for those people flocking to the burbs is going to plummet in so many other areas......

You forgot to mention how quickly condo life is catching on. One day, suburbs (and the gargantuan homes with 55 shower heads and 5 toilets) will be talked about in history books as one of the biggest fails in human society.

You should really take a course or two about how suburbia affects society. It may open your mind just a wee bit.

Flavour of the month,

When I took urban planning the great suburban menace that had academic planners in convulsing hysterics was the destruction of the tax base of large cities.

It is much, much too soon to say that there are a tremendous macro shift in favour of condos. Since the "condo boom" in most of North America was driven by people being priced out of the traditional starter home and the natural urges not to live with your parents when you are thirty or to just equity down the toilet renting for the long term.

[DizzyEdge]

Originally Posted by sim

What I don't understand, and we can throw all the social and environmental metrics out the window, is that in a city that is so business minded, very few seem to understand the poor land and resource utilization we implement.

Because the cost will be gradual to all taxpayers perhaps over decades or longer, but the profit is for particular industries right now?

[kw5150]

Originally Posted by Policy Wonk

Flavour of the month,

When I took urban planning the great suburban menace that had academic planners in convulsing hysterics was the destruction of the tax base of large cities.

It is much, much too soon to say that there are a tremendous macro shift in favour of condos. Since the "condo boom" in most of North America was driven by people being priced out of the traditional starter home and the natural urges not to live with your parents when you are thirty or to just equity down the toilet renting for the long term.

Well, you should have listened to your professors.

I chose a condo as soon as I visted my friend in his condo. I loved it and decided to adopt the same lifestyle. The savings I have every month from living minimally are quite substantial and I can afford to do much more that someone in a surburban house on the same pay level and status. The quality of life (found by walking and exploring the city I live in) cannot be quantified either. There are too many positives to living in a condo for me. Is money a factor..................hell yes. Fortuntely, I didn't get talked into buying a house and taking on more than I could handle.........maybe more people should think about doing the same?..........ahem......recession......