Redford is the new premier of Alberta

Xelebes · #1 Posted: **Oct 2, 2011, 4:36 PM**

Beating Mar and Horner.

Haven't been following the race too much other than just disliking Mar. What does this mean for the Big Seven (Edmonton, Calgary, Lethbridge, Medicine Hat, Red Deer, Grande Prairie and Fort McMurray?)

itom 987 · #2 Posted: **Oct 2, 2011, 5:01 PM**

I have a feeling that this won't be good. Only time will tell though.

MalcolmTucker · #3 Posted: **Oct 2, 2011, 5:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by itom 987

I have a feeling that this won't be good. Only time will tell though.

Por quoi? Anything besides the grudge some Edmontonians feel towards the Calgary folk informing your gut reaction?

Reesonov · #4 Posted: **Oct 2, 2011, 6:03 PM**

I think its pretty exciting. I hope she will (and it seems like she will) bring some new ideas to the table in Alberta.

itom 987 · #5 Posted: **Oct 2, 2011, 7:54 PM**

MalcolmTucker you want me to elaborate, fine.

• The WRA might have a better chance in the next election because Redford will move the party closer to the center of the political spectrum. This doesn't look good for the Liberals and New Democrats.

• Redford is a lawyer, and I personally don't trust lawyers given that lying plays a big part in that profession.

• As for Edmonton's hockey arena goes, getting the 100 million might not happen at all.

• Yes MalcolmTucker, she is a Calgarian and will get lots of support from Calgarians just because of that. Her campaign manager was the same manager the helped Calgary's mayor get elected.

• On the plus side, two tier health care probably won't happen and education will get proper funding.

MalcolmTucker · #6 Posted: **Oct 2, 2011, 8:02 PM**

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“If they wanted to use MSI dollars to build arenas, LRT or tunnels under roads, that’s what they are going to make the decision on and you can hold them accountable to that. The government of Alberta should not be writing a check to a hockey team,” said Doug Horner.
Alison Redford had a similar notion.
“At the end of the day, it has to be a municipal decision.”

Read it on Global News: Global Calgary | Little taxpayer support for funding arenas: Canada’s Pulse poll

As for the arena, they may be able to use MSI for it accoridng to this, but that would be a trade off for sure.

Xelebes · #7 Posted: **Oct 2, 2011, 8:59 PM**

The fact that Redford is not likely to support using additional provincial money for the arena is not that big of a dissauder for me. I'm still of the opinion that the building should be built with the remaining hole filled by private funds somehow.

Reesonov · #8 Posted: **Oct 2, 2011, 11:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by itom 987

• Redford is a lawyer, and I personally don't trust lawyers given that lying plays a big part in that profession.

Oh yes, those human rights lawyers are renowned as a nasty lot indeed.

In fact, lawyers are subject to strictly enforced ethical obligations which include the obligation not to knowingly or purposefully mislead the court (of course this must be sometimes delicately balanced with a lawyer's obligation to advocate for their client). Also, dishonest behaviour in a lawyer's personal life will also usually lead to professional discipline, and often disbarrment. Can you say the same about your profession?

Sorry, although there are no doubt bad lawyers (one need only review the Law Society of Alberta's professional misconduct rulings to confirm this), this generalization that all lawyers are liars is just silly. Applying it to Ms. Redford in particular, when there is absolutely no evidence that she has ever done anything professionally dishonest in her long and distinuguished career as a lawyer, is even sillier.

Doug · #9 Posted: **Oct 3, 2011, 2:05 PM**

I'm cautiously optimstic. Her idea to immediately restore $100M in education funding is somewhat disturbing as it as replay of the Province's solution to everything: throw more money at a problem without understanding the root cause.

Doug · #10 Posted: **Oct 3, 2011, 2:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reesonov

Oh yes, those human rights lawyers are renowned as a nasty lot indeed.

In fact, lawyers are subject to strictly enforced ethical obligations which include the obligation not to knowingly or purposefully mislead the court (of course this must be sometimes delicately balanced with a lawyer's obligation to advocate for their client). Also, dishonest behaviour in a lawyer's personal life will also usually lead to professional discipline, and often disbarrment. Can you say the same about your profession?

Sorry, although there are no doubt bad lawyers (one need only review the Law Society of Alberta's professional misconduct rulings to confirm this), this generalization that all lawyers are liars is just silly. Applying it to Ms. Redford in particular, when there is absolutely no evidence that she has ever done anything professionally dishonest in her long and distinuguished career as a lawyer, is even sillier.

It's not an argument based on integrity. Rather lawyers, like bureaucrats and academics tend to be idealistic in the sense that they expect events to unfold as expected and generally have superficial understanding of risk. Lawyers do tend to excel at negotiation.

240glt · #11 Posted: **Oct 3, 2011, 4:28 PM**

The best thing to come out of this is that Ted Morton is finished as a contender to run the province, ever. Must have been a huge blow to his massive massive ego.

Mar was Ralph Klein reincarnated... slash & burn economics and in the oil company's back pockets. Horner is Steady Eddie X 2... probably another nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys.

Redford I think was a good choice. I think she'll be able to spar with Smith... in fact I think this decision almost seal the fate of the WRA, but we'll see. She's really a blue liberal so that could throw a curve ball to the AB party.

MalcolmTucker · #12 Posted: **Oct 5, 2011, 7:57 PM**

Rotunda in the Legislature being prepared for the ceremony. Photo by me.

Doug · #13 Posted: **Oct 6, 2011, 7:28 AM**

Corbella: Patronizing Globe and Mail headline ignores reality in Western Canada

By Licia Corbella, Calgary Herald October 4, 2011

Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Co...#ixzz1Zz5snxjl

The headline on the front page of the Globe and Mail on Monday states: "Alberta steps into the present."

If that sounds bigoted and patronizing, it's because it is. But what's most ironic about the Toronto-based paper's unvarnished prejudice is if the Globe's editors judged Ontario by the standards it is using to declare Alberta's leap into the present, then the centre of the universe must be stuck in some time-warping black hole that has sucked it well back into the 1900s.

Calgarian · #14 Posted: **Oct 6, 2011, 2:25 PM**

lol, she told them!

DizzyEdge · #15 Posted: **Oct 6, 2011, 11:22 PM**

So does anything think Mar will fulfil his promise to still run for a seat, and likely end up in cabinet? or is he headed straight for the private sector?

DizzyEdge · #16 Posted: **Oct 6, 2011, 11:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by 240glt

The best thing to come out of this is that Ted Morton is finished as a contender to run the province, ever. Must have been a huge blow to his massive massive ego.

Mar was Ralph Klein reincarnated... slash & burn economics and in the oil company's back pockets. Horner is Steady Eddie X 2... probably another nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys.

Redford I think was a good choice. I think she'll be able to spar with Smith... in fact I think this decision almost seal the fate of the WRA, but we'll see. She's really a blue liberal so that could throw a curve ball to the AB party.

I don't think he would have been as bad.

MalcolmTucker · #17 Posted: **Oct 6, 2011, 11:57 PM**

Ed was mostly the victim of circumstance, combined with a difficulty connecting to people through the media.

Doug · #18 Posted: **Oct 7, 2011, 2:04 PM**

I just lost all respect of Redford:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...rship-follies/

Buying union votes is about as sleazy as it gets. Go Wildrose!

MalcolmTucker · #19 Posted: **Oct 7, 2011, 2:12 PM**

Umm, the education cut is just about the most unpopular thing from the last budget. That is like saying cutting ER wait times would be buying off the doctors and nurses!

Lets piss off the unions, and end public education! That will teach them!

Getting people to vote for you because of your promises is pretty much the least sleazy thing politicians can do. Not spending the money is also just as big of a partisan sop to deficit hawks.

I guess Stelmach should have never funded the ring roads and LRT as that was buying votes - it is just so gauche to offer people a social contract where they offer a portion of their wealth for collective goods they couldn't buy on their own due to market failure!

Doug · #20 Posted: **Oct 7, 2011, 3:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Umm, the education cut is just about the most unpopular thing from the last budget. That is like saying cutting ER wait times would be buying off the doctors and nurses!

It would be if their professional associations and/or unions encouraged them the take out PC party memberships and vote for a particular candidate.