PITTSBURGH | Development Rundown II - Page 55

Urbana · #**1081** Posted: **May 20, 2012, 4:39 PM**

Does anyone know what became of the Shadyside project at The intersection of Baum and Liberty? I believe Armstrong was the developer.

Image credit: Strada Architecture

BrianTH · #**1082** Posted: **May 21, 2012, 11:44 AM**

The developers just went before the zoning board for approval of a hotel along Baum:

http://triblive.com/home/1601057-74/...e-seller-homes

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The board will be asked to approve height and continuation of non-conforming accessary parking unit variances for a 130-room hotel at 5315 Baum Blvd., Bloomfield, site of former Don Allen showroom.

MasonsInquiries · #**1083** Posted: **May 21, 2012, 1:26 PM**

^^^^great updates! Keep up the good work, Pittsburgh!

TBone7281 · #**1084** Posted: **May 21, 2012, 11:19 PM**

Didn't take any pics as there wasn't any discernible structural additions since the last time I took a pic, but they put up a bunch of new banners on the fencing around Lot 24. (Basically advertisements to rent.) Also included where to find their web presence:

http://www.lot24inthestrip.com/
http://www.facebook.com/lot24
etc.

Units will range from $880 (468 sq. ft.) to $2060 (1101 sq. ft.) per month. Though there are a couple units that are larger in square footage but slightly cheaper. The website includes floor plans too.

Jonboy1983 · #**1085** Posted: **May 21, 2012, 11:22 PM**

Man, that development at Baum and Liberty looks pretty sweet! It almost resembles something from a European city.There's already a Courtyard by Marriott across the street from that proposed hotel. Hopefully the design will not be of the generic cookie-cutter type like you see in the suburban areas. This part of the city has some unique architecture, and I'd like to see this fit in with the surroundings.

Of course, what is there now is schlock at best... if anything at all...

AaronPGH · #**1086** Posted: **May 21, 2012, 11:24 PM**

Europe isn't exactly what comes to mind when I see that Baum/Centre rendering. More like South Side Works.

BrianTH · #**1087** Posted: **May 21, 2012, 11:34 PM**

Looks like Oxford Development has something planned for the former Frank & Seder Department Store (or the land it sits on), but details won't be available until Thursday:

Oxford Development to debut plan Downtown - Pittsburgh Business Times

350 fifth avenue pittsburgh - Google Maps

Johnland · #**1088** Posted: **May 21, 2012, 11:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by AaronPGH

Europe isn't exactly what comes to mind when I see that Baum/Centre rendering. More like South Side Works.

I like the mass and the height and the cleaner, more contempoary lines of the proposed renderings for the Baum/Liberty site (probably moot by now since most likely will not happen). But I don't think I'd miss those pointless, arbitrary finials and spaceship fins stuck on the tops of the corners. Now that is so South Side Works and so 10 years ago.

Minivan Werner · #**1089** Posted: **May 22, 2012, 12:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by BrianTH

Looks like Oxford Development has something planned for the former Frank & Seder Department Store (or the land it sits on), but details won't be available until Thursday:

Oxford Development to debut plan Downtown - Pittsburgh Business Times

350 fifth avenue pittsburgh - Google Maps

That building must have some type of landmark status, right? So it must mean some kind of refurbish and maybe converting the upper floors into lofts or apartments? And hopefully with some improved retail options at ground level than Quiznos and Payless Shoes.

BrianTH · #**1090** Posted: **May 22, 2012, 12:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by Minivan Werner

That building must have some type of landmark status, right?

Not to my knowledge--it wasn't on the PHLF or City lists I just checked, nor as far as I could tell in the National Register.

glowrock · #**1091** Posted: **May 22, 2012, 1:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by AaronPGH

Europe isn't exactly what comes to mind when I see that Baum/Centre rendering. More like South Side Works.

Agreed, but a development like South Side Works would be just fine over there IMO...

Aaron (Glowrock)

BrianTH · #**1092** Posted: **May 22, 2012, 2:04 AM**

Filling the Baum/Liberty area up with six-story buildings would be sweet--it would definitely create another little "town center".

AaronPGH · #**1093** Posted: **May 22, 2012, 2:53 AM**

I'm just so sick of those stupid rounded cuppola things that architects always seem to reach for with these projects. Hell, just put a square corner on the thing or something. I don't know...it's so beaten to death.

With that said, yes, the density and scale of that project is perfect, and I hope the gaps continue to be filled up like that slowly.

PITairport · #**1094** Posted: **May 22, 2012, 5:51 AM**

Some more info about the new Oxford proposal:

"While few details were available Monday, Oxford, according to sources, intends to market the site for a new office tower totaling as much as 30 stories tall and some 600,000 square feet."
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...wn-636984/?p=0

Plan B seems to be to refurbish the existing building.

Wave · #**1095** Posted: **May 22, 2012, 6:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by PITairport

Some more info about the new Oxford development:

"While few details were available Monday, Oxford, according to sources, intends to market the site for a new office tower totaling as much as 30 stories tall and some 600,000 square feet."
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...wn-636984/?p=0

Plan B seems to be to refurbish the existing building.

Sounds like Oxford may be sending out a trial balloon to see if they can attract any major, large-scale tenant interest with a splashy announcement this week.

The fact that downtown class A space is down to an almost unprecedented (in recent years) 6.9% vacancy rate in a recovering economy in a city with a surging meds-eds & energy sector would lead one to believe that this project could actually happen and that more developers are looking at similar ventures. Not to mention that the avg lease rate has been steadily creeping up making a project of this sort more viable.

Oxford has been poking around for a bit looking at different projects and they clearly have a long track record. We'll have to wait until Thursday to see what they have in mind.

glowrock · #**1096** Posted: **May 22, 2012, 10:10 AM**

Just when I thought I'd be the first one to break the news on here, I see others beat me to the punch by several hours!

Frankly, whether they build a new tower or just renovate the hell out of the current building to bring it up to standard and fill it up, it's a win-win for Pittsburgh!

Aaron (Glowrock)

BrianTH · #**1097** Posted: **May 22, 2012, 11:11 AM**

It is too bad that particular building is ill-suited for a residential conversion--it would be in a great location, and in general that has become a popular approach for high-vacancy, lower-class, historically-significant office buildings Downtown.

Private Dick · #**1098** Posted: **May 22, 2012, 2:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by AaronPGH

I'm just so sick of those stupid rounded cuppola things that architects always seem to reach for with these projects.

You're obviously not a fan of classic European architecture then...

As for the potential Oxford development... I'm not sure the Frank & Seder department store building is one we want to lose to the wrecking ball in favor of a 30-story high rise... and if demand truly does exist for that, Oxford owns empty lots downtown.

Pittsburgh is where Frank & Seder started and they expanded to NYC and Philly, among other major cities. I don't see how it's not a designated historical landmark.

http://www.jonathondenson.com/

Private Dick · #**1099** Posted: **May 22, 2012, 2:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by BrianTH

It is too bad that particular building is ill-suited for a residential conversion--it would be in a great location, and in general that has become a popular approach for high-vacancy, lower-class, historically-significant office buildings Downtown.

Why is it not suited for residential conversion?

markson33 · #**1100** Posted: **May 22, 2012, 2:31 PM**

The floor plates of 411 Smithfield are too large for conversion to residential. You could wind up with a lot of apts that didn't have windows.

To me, that building isn't really that impressive from a historical architecture standpoint. I'm also not sure that a redevelopment of the existing structure would really improve its viability much, although I am open to the concept.

As it relates to the retail there, surprisingly its pretty high rent, despite the somewhat lowbrow uses.

I agree that this is a trial balloon by Oxford to see if anybody will bite. They are going to do the exact same thing as Burns & Scalo on Fort Pitt Blvd.

I agree, I am tired of the faux cupolas. Come on architects! Come up with something original!