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Old Posted: Jan 17, 2012, 8:26 PM
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The Heart of East Oakland

As I get closer to the end of my photography project on Oakland, I'm noticing three or four areas in Oakland that have not received as much (if any) of my attention at this point: The upper Oakland Hills, the middle of North Oakland (38th-50th streets), the upper half of West Oakland and Deep East Oakland. My goal is to cover all of these areas by the end of February.

That being said, this thread focuses on the middle of East Oakland (Central and half of Deep East Oakland): The area between the 50's and the 80's. Some on this board have been requesting for me to do a thread on the area surrounding the Coliseum for some time now, so I finally got around to it. Some people consider the 50's the "real" beginning of East Oakland; I am not one of them, but at the same time I understand where this comes from. East Oakland is as much a geographic designation as it is a cultural one; for years, it was and is sometimes still used as a catch-all for where the region's black population lives, the vast majority of which living between the 50's and the 100's. Another name for this area that originated from it was the nickname "the Town", which has come to encompass all of Oakland. The police have a much less endearing nickname for the area: The Killing Fields. Outsiders tend to simply refer to this area and the rest of East Oakland as the ghetto.

One thing about this area is unmistakable: It has seen better days. As it stands now, it is the most murderous section of Oakland and one of the poorest. One should note that there are middle-class neighborhoods adjacent to this area that experience little to none of the crime - Maxwell Park, Frick, Eastmont Hills, Toler Heights, Durant Manor, etc. - but it also does not change the reality that the area has entered a depression. Some attempts have been made by the city to rectify the damage of the industrial collapse and the crack epidemic of the late 70's and 80's that brought all this to be. The Lockwood Gardens (more popularly known as the Ville) have been renovated and are no longer sport a bombed-out appearance, although the crime problem still persists. There is talk of building a "sports city" in the Coliseum area to bring jobs back to the area, although there is also talk of all of our teams leaving Oakland for good. They constructed the largest library branch in Oakland last year on 81st Avenue & Rudsdale (pictured in this thread) but the schools that would be using it are on the verge of closing. Simply put, this part of Oakland is on its last legs. The only true sign of hope is the beginning of a revitalization movement of the business district on International Boulevard, but many of the areas other business corridors - MacArthur Boulevard, Eastmont Mall, Bancroft Avenue - remain economically depressed as ever.

I do not want this to be mistaken as the story of all of East Oakland or all of Oakland for that matter though as it so often is. I would like to believe that I've amassed enough evidence with all the countless East Oakland threads I've done that it is the most economically diverse part of the city and has a huge variety of neighborhoods. However, I also don't want to be mistaken for somebody who sugar-coats the reality; there is a real problem in the heart of East Oakland that many would prefer not to confront. The ultimate goal for this project is to be holistic; if it isn't, IMO it can't offer any real insight into what Oakland is like right now.

That's the end of my preamble... other than what's been mentioned above, here's the neighborhoods I covered on this thread:

- Seminary
- Wentworth Holland
- Fitchburg
- Woodland
- Coliseum
- Hegenberger
- Arroyo Viejo
- Lockwood-Tevis
- Bancroft Business

I also included two pictures of graffiti I took in Dimond on the way back.

Here's some music to go along with it (warning: coarse language):

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Old Posted: Jan 17, 2012, 8:43 PM
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With a few exceptions, such as the library, the economic depression and disinvestment of this area is apparent. Sad to see, but a reality in all of our cities. A reminder that the gap between rich and poor only gets wider.
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Props for the documentation. Many who know the area would consider it stupid to walk around this area snapping photos but your persistence to stay true to your proposal to document ALL parts of Oakland is appreciated.
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It is really nice to see how your photography has progressed since your first few threads of Oakland. Nice work, thanks
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You have given us a great visual lesson on Oakland, much appreciated!

You likely covered this area in Oakland already, but it recently grown in terms of my interest. The areas between W Grand Ave, Mandela Pkwy, Nimitz Fwy and 7th St. The hoods of Lower Bottoms, Campbell Village, Cypress Village and Prescott ? Not so far from Downtown.
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You have given us a great visual lesson on Oakland, much appreciated!

You likely covered this area in Oakland already, but it recently grown in terms of my interest. The areas between W Grand Ave, Mandela Pkwy, Nimitz Fwy and 7th St. The hoods of Lower Bottoms, Campbell Village, Cypress Village and Prescott ? Not so far from Downtown.
Here's some threads where I've covered that area:

West Oakland: Welcome to Central Station (and more)

Walking the Invisible City

West Oakland: Below the Bottoms

West Oakland: Where It All Started
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Old Posted: Jan 19, 2012, 7:23 AM
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Props for the documentation. Many who know the area would consider it stupid to walk around this area snapping photos but your persistence to stay true to your proposal to document ALL parts of Oakland is appreciated.
Honestly, I wish more people would do this for all cities... part of what allows these areas to get as bad is they do is that they're "safely" tucked away from the eye of the general public. People don't notice what they don't see.

Even aside from that though, I have a more basic reason for being holistic... if I focus on certain parts of the city while ignoring others, IMO I'm implicitly making the statement that the areas I ignore were ignored because I believe they're not worth as much as the others. I don't believe that, so I give all areas the same attention.

Speaking of being holistic, I noticed I left out a photo from the set:

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just curious, I wonder who paid for the slope stabilizing work in the background.

Interesting contrast there, in any case...
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^The view from those homes on the mountain ridge must be fantastic!

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To be honest it doesn't actually look that bad, which is surprising that it's so violent.

The rustbelt and midwest ghettos i've seen on here look far poorer than this.
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Oakland has always been a city of interest for me. It seems that for a town its physical size, there are SO many different pockets of ethnic and salary separation that it's almost amazing. I agree with Fresh. It definitely looks rough, with that said, I would have pictured worst. I guess California "ghettos" differ quite a bit from those back in the midwest and east coast.

On a non-relevant point, I always think of Too Short when I hear East Oakland. Ah, the benefits of growing up through my adolescent years in the 90's.
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Oakland has always been a city of interest for me. It seems that for a town its physical size, there are SO many different pockets of ethnic and salary separation that it's almost amazing. I agree with Fresh. It definitely looks rough, with that said, I would have pictured worst. I guess California "ghettos" differ quite a bit from those back in the midwest and east coast.

On a non-relevant point, I always think of Too Short when I hear East Oakland. Ah, the benefits of growing up through my adolescent years in the 90's.
You are absolutely right, Oakland is a city where socioeconomic segregation is evident by literally going from neighborhood to neighborhood. Ethnically though, it is all remarkably integrated. Even within the "ghetto" neighborhoods pictured in this thread, they're far, far from only black... latinos have staked a very large claim in this area, and there's always been a white population in the area.

To Fresh's point, I would simply say that much has changed in the last 15 years. Some of the stuff in this very thread looked drastically different (and worse) in the 90's than it does now. Take the Lockwood Gardens for example. They look like this now:





But this is what "The Ville" looked like literally 15 years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zma4oSCk_5Q" target="_blank">Video Link



International Boulevard didn't used to be called International Boulevard; it was E. 14th. Back in the 90's, the vast majority of the storefronts along the section of E. 14th I covered were boarded up.

California is indeed a strange place... the demand to live here is high even in the ghettos... the neighborhoods simply never stay stagnant long enough to deteriorate to the level they do in other parts of the country. However, the violence doesn't disappear after they slap a new coat of paint on it, which is why these neighborhoods keep their ghetto reputation.

And as for your non-relevant point, Too $hort is definitely cemented in East Oakland history haha. He's from the 85 Ville which eventually became Tassaforanga Village, which funnily enough somebody did a thread on in the City Discussions board.
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