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Old Posted Dec 28, 2011, 9:39 PM
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Lam Poon Team Digs For Fairfield Inn at South Street Seaport



December 28, 2011
by Pete Davies

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Down at the edge of the South Street Seaport Historic District the hospitality crew from Marriott are digging down, readying a site for a new 31-story hotel set to rise above the East River, just a stone's throw from the spanking new Pier 15. The lot is at 30 Fletcher Street, and it backs up to one of the more storied building plots from the high-flying times before the economy hit the skids, namely number 80 South Street. That's where WTC Transportation Hub-ster Santiago Calatrava hoped to hit the heavens with his sky-high priced tower of penthouses, first announced in 2004. Those heady times are far behind and now this block, close to the water and in the middle of a flood zone, will get something more mundane: two hundred guest rooms in a Fairfield Inn.

The Marriott plan is being developed by the team at Lam Generation, working with a batch of busy designers from Peter Poon Architects. That creative crew has rendered a stack of glass and metal, with a couple of setbacks up top and—to hold back rising tides—a battalion of flood gates set down low. The lot, measuring a mere 32 feet wide by 93 feet long, is awaiting a foundation and was recently ripped open. It's in the middle of what the city dubs a "Zone A" Hurricane Evacuation Zone, and that could mean trouble. The Department of Buildings labels the area a "Flood Hazard Zone" so what's going up "must be built to the most stringent standards to ensure minimal damage in case of flooding." That means the new hotel must construct flood barriers and a whole host of other techno-contraptions to keep the guests safe and dry. Holy Budget Busters!

Old wooden pilings have been pulled up from the depths of the Marriott site. Recent boring tests show that the silty river bed sat twenty feet below the site some two hundred years ago, before the river's banks were pushed east to make room for commerce. In 1855 the inhabitant of this corner was the McCullough Shot and Lead Company, whose owner contracted James Bogardus to erect a downtown tower for manufacturing lead gunshot. Rising 175 feet from an octagonal framework of cast iron in what is now Foley Square, the tower was a forerunner of the first skyscrapers.













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Old Posted Dec 28, 2011, 10:18 PM
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What a disappointment. This tower is phenomenally thin however. Lets just pray that they side they are suspiciously not showing isn't a blank shear wall like you see on that sliver tower on 8th Avenue.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 28, 2011, 10:50 PM
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What garbage for such a prime location!
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 28, 2011, 11:33 PM
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Here's a larger rendering from the developer's website. It looks a little different from the rendering posted above.

http://lamgeneration.com/images/hote...dfinancial.jpg (700 k)
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 29, 2011, 2:38 AM
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This is absurd. This building will destroy this view, will end this string of skyscrapers.

I can not believe this shit can be built in this area. Where are the NIMBYS now? hahahaha ... Only they to save us from this junk.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 29, 2011, 3:08 AM
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funny thing is this rendering (the one on the left) actually shows the building on the wrong site. it should be further to the left.

     
     
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Old Posted Dec 29, 2011, 9:17 AM
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Here's a larger rendering from the developer's website. It looks a little different from the rendering posted above.

http://lamgeneration.com/images/hote...dfinancial.jpg (700 k)

It's unattractive, but they will likely do good business there. Hotels are popping up everywhere. Still, they should make the ground level more attractive in that rendering.
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Just to be clear, this site is NOT the 80 South Street lot.

In other words, this hotel is NOT replacing the 80 South Street proposal. They are on different lots, and have nothing to do with one another.

So we are getting a hotel on this lot, but so far, we have no indication what will rise at 80 South Street.
     
     
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Not a terrible tower, but not the ideal building for its location. Still better than an empty lot.
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This tower is so thin and its floorplates so small that it wont make a much visible change to the skyline.
     
     
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This building is going to be short one. It's highly likely that it would only be somewhere in the 300 foot zone.
     
     
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What an ugly piece of shit. If this is the lot on South Street between Fletcher and Maiden, it looks like it's replacing a parking lot, so I suppose that's an improvement. But still, what an ugly piece of shit. Hopefully the backside isn't a blank wall. Vancouver outlawed blank walls on highrises years ago. NY should do the same (except when another building will go there obviously).
     
     
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What an ugly piece of shit. If this is the lot on South Street between Fletcher and Maiden, it looks like it's replacing a parking lot, so I suppose that's an improvement. But still, what an ugly piece of shit. Hopefully the backside isn't a blank wall. Vancouver outlawed blank walls on highrises years ago. NY should do the same (except when another building will go there obviously).
I agree with every word you said.
     
     
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1 King Street West is really skinny too, and has windows all the way around. So maybe there is hope. But even without a blank wall it will still look like shit.

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Old Posted Dec 30, 2011, 5:27 AM
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This building will be only about 30 feet wide. That Toronto one is more like 50.
     
     
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This building won't really harm the NYC Skyline since it is again only going to be 300 feet. I highly doubt it would pass the 400 feet mark, but you guys are panicking like it would be 1,200 feet. It's not. It's going to be extremely small.
     
     
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This building won't really harm the NYC Skyline since it is again only going to be 300 feet. I highly doubt it would pass the 400 feet mark, but you guys are panicking like it would be 1,200 feet. It's not. It's going to be extremely small.
The problem is that although short, the building will be located on the edge of the skyline, so it will still be highly visible.
     
     
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What bland, crappy texture. Glad that it won't stand out too much, but as scalziand said, it will be on the edge of the South St/Front St row. Not much would need to be done to make this tower decent looking.
     
     
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Not exactly the most inspiring design eh?
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 30, 2011, 10:12 PM
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It's an ugly piece of crap. But I suppose it's a good sign that it's getting built. Another move in the right direction. I remember someone saying once before during the financial crisis that the good thing about it was a lot of this crap won't get built. But I'd rather have this crap built along with everything else rather than have nothing get built at all. In other words, we take the bad with the good.
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