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Old Posted Jan 14, 2012, 10:08 PM
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this thread has jumped the shark

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on a more serious note: preservation should apply to all styles, across the board because otherwise you get an architectural holocaust just because an old building now just looks old and should be destroyed or "modernized."

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I personally love Brutalism, but some of its buildings I would not shed a tear if they were lost.
One example being One Yonge:

To me it isn't even a good example of Brutalism.

Local examples of Brutalist buildings I would absolutely hate to see demolished:
Robarts Library (Fort Book) in Toronto:


222 Jarvis in Toronto:


University of Waterloo Math & Computers Building:



Keep in mind I'm only using local examples because those are some I know the best and have some attachment to, there are many more examples out there that would be a huge architectural loss if they were demolished (J. Edgar Hoover Building, Dallas/Boston City Hall, etc.).

We may think these are ugly now, but just like the crimes that occurred in the 60's and 70's, once they're gone, they're essentially gone forever.
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Thirty years from now we probably will work to preserve buildings constructed in the late 1980s and 1990s, such as Scotia Plaza in Toronto. But we won't bother to save tract housing. We don't put any effort into preserving tract housing from 100 years ago, and my neighbourhood is full of them. They were just as identical then, but the craftsmanship is far better.
In New Jersey they have preserved the suburban housing from 100 years ago. To the point that a lot of the housing in Haddonfield, NJ can not be torn down because it is landmarked as historical sites. Do I think the average subdivision is going to stay around to be considered historical? I doubt it given the crappy quality but who knows.
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Just as home decor styles come back into style, so shall this phrase.

I'm not sure what I think of preserving suburbia, but it is an interesting idea and worth some tought.
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Some brutalism is good. Some brutalism is bad. Protect the former, axe the latter if the time comes where the need warrants the land be put to better use. As should be done with any architectural style. The church in DC is terrible (along with the FBI headquarters and a few others). The HUD building, and the metro stations, however, are not.


It isn't an all-or-nothing issue.
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Some brutalism is good. Some brutalism is bad. Protect the former, axe the latter if the time comes where the need warrants the land be put to better use. As should be done with any architectural style. The church in DC is terrible (along with the FBI headquarters and a few others). The HUD building, and the metro stations, however, are not.


It isn't an all-or-nothing issue.
Wait, you're using the J. Edgar Hoover building as an example of bad Brutalist architecture??
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Wait, you're using the J. Edgar Hoover building as an example of bad Brutalist architecture??

Absolutely. A building can have all the defining characteristics of a particular style, and still be bad architecture. A building must perform its intended function well, and work within the context of its environment. According to people I know who have worked inside that building, it does not do the first (which is one of the reasons they are looking to relocate), and it most certainly does not do the second; it effectively creates a deadspace in a busy downtown area, with both its dread, imposing appearance, and the moat that surrounds it. It is bad land use, and bad design. "Form follows function", as was reiterated often in class.
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Fuck it, I just want to spam this thread with brutalism.


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Does that even count as brutalism?
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Also, this is a more over looked example, but an absolutely fantastic one none the less:

Russian Embassy in Havana:


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the war memorial was SO much more attractive back in the day before all the subsequent additions that were made to it.
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Does that even count as brutalism?
I say close enough. Keep them coming.


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Seriously, Brutalism is one of the most varied, diverse architectural styles ever to grace the face of our planet. Sure there were bad examples, but I don't understand who would want to tear the stuff we are posting here down.
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That's absolutely fantastic.
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^Haha. Kenzo could make a moldy burlap sack into an interesting structure.
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the war memorial was SO much more attractive back in the day before all the subsequent additions that were made to it.
So true, the Calatrava really fuglied up the original design!

Seriously though, this is what I'm talking about with people defacing Brutalism. If the Calatrava were to be built 50 years from now, no one would have ever thought to allow it to directly abut and clutter the Saarinen design. They would have demanded a respectful treatment of the original structure similar to the Nelson-Atkins addition in KC. The Calatrava is great enough on its own, but shouldn't visibly abut the Saarinen, it should emerge from the hillside and connect underground.
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