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Perimeter Highway | Winnipeg



For all topics related to Winnipeg's Perimeter Highway. Including the Headingley Bypass, St. Norbert Bypass and other highways related to CentrePort. CentrePort has it's own stand alone thread. But any major roadways could be included here.

Since there are plan's for ongoing upgrades over the next 5-10 years, and beyond; and the off topic discussions in other threads; I thought this thread would be warranted.

The Province of Manitoba recently raised the PST by 1%, a very highly publicized and volatile move. This money is now to be dedicated to core infrastructure.


Below links to major announcements recently for upgrades related specifically to the Perimeter:

PROVINCE MOVES AHEAD WITH PLANS TO DOUBLE CENTREPORT CANADA WAY, REDUCING TRANS-CANADA HIGHWAY BOTTLENECK WEST OF WINNIPEG
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ve=&item=30144

MANITOBA GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCES FIVE-YEAR PLAN TO BUILD CORE INFRASTRUCTURE, CREATE 58,900 JOBS FOR FAMILIES
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ve=&item=30080

MANITOBA GOVERNMENT SUPPORTS GROWTH IN SOUTHWEST WINNIPEG, CONNECTS PRIMARY TRADE ROUTES WITH PERIMETER HIGHWAY UPGRADES
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ted=2013-11-26

New! PROVINCE ANNOUNCES MAJOR HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENTS ALONG PTH 59
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ve=&item=31125

Some other announcements recently related to major highway work around Winnipeg and Manitoba. Some related to the Perimeter, others just for info:

MANITOBA GOVERNMENT FULLY UPGRADING TRANS-CANADA HIGHWAY FROM WINNIPEG TO SASKATCHEWAN BORDER
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ve=&item=20371

MANITOBA GOVERNMENT RAMPS UP HIGHWAY, BRIDGE UPGRADES WITH LARGEST SINGLE-YEAR INVESTMENT
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ted=2014-01-29

MAJOR PTH 10 UPGRADES WILL STRENGTHEN PARKLAND'S PRIMARY AGRICULTURE ROUTE
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ted=2013-12-16

PROVINCE ANNOUNCES UPGRADES TO EAST-WEST TRADE ROUTE, TO CREATE JOBS, STIMULATE ECONOMY, IMPROVE ROAD FOR TOURIST TRAFFIC
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ted=2013-12-12

MANITOBA GOVERNMENT TO FULLY UPGRADE PTH 6, PROVINCE'S STRATEGIC NORTHERN TRADE ROUTE
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ted=2013-12-05

MANITOBA GOVERNMENT ADDS NEW UPGRADES ALONG STRATEGIC TOURIST ROUTE
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ted=2013-12-03

MANITOBA CORE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SEE RECORD INVESTMENT IN 2014-15: MINISTER ASHTON
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ted=2013-11-29

PROVINCE ANNOUNCES MORE UPGRADES TO WESTMAN'S PRIMARY U.S. TRADE ROUTE
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ted=2013-11-28

PRIME MINISTER STEPHEN HARPER, PREMIER GREG SELINGER MARK COMPLETION OF CENTREPORT CANADA WAY
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ted=2013-11-22

PROVINCE ANNOUNCES NEW UPGRADES TO U.S. TRADE ROUTE WILL CREATE GOOD JOBS, STIMULATE ECONOMY
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ted=2013-11-13


A couple other links to projects that are still somewhat in the planning process, but may have been superseded by other more recent developments.

North Perimeter AT overpass (direct link to PDF)
http://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/pdf/pth101boards.pdf

PTH 59N & PTH 101 Interchange project (direct link to PDF)
http://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/pdf/info.pdf

Both of the above are sort of linked together now due to proximity.

PR 330 & PTH 100 Intersection Improvements
http://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/intersection/index.html

The above is still applicable, although the at grade intersection is now to be designed as an interchange. What will actually get built is another question.



In a nutshell, the Province of Manitoba has committed to upgrading the Southwest Perimeter to freeway standards, including interchanges at PTH 2/3, PR 330, and at Kenaston/Waverley/future Headingley Bypass.

Another poster (thanks Biff) provided some insight into the Southeast Perimeter upgrades. This includes median widening from St. Mary's PTH 1 east interchange and potentially interchange grading at St. Mary's, St. Anne's and going back to the Southwest Perimeter, at the Headingley Bypass.

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Old Posted Mar 10, 2014, 5:51 PM
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To keep the conversation going, some quotes pulled from the "Wpg: Chief Peguis Trail Extension" Thread.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...33#post6484233

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Well, in some sense, that is what we are getting. This most recent budget there is money for the Headingley bypass which will feature 2 interchanges: a small diamond somewhere in the middle as a connector to Portage and a grade separated interchange for the connection to Hwy 1 around the White Horse - approx $250 million.

The south Perimeter is also getting its first phase of median widening from St Mary's east to Hwy 1 and possibly interchange grading at St Mary's, St Anne's and Waverley - approx $250 million.
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Wow! First I have heard of this! I thought I heard the SW perimeter was getting upgraded first. When was this announced? Between the two traffic lights and the numerous median openings allowing direct left turns out of the passing lane, this is the worst section of the entire perimiter in my opinion.

Speaking of that particular stretch, has there ever been any talk of upgrading 59/100 interchange from parclo to full cloverleaf?
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I am unsure which part, the eastern or western portion will go first now that you mention that. I know that they are having issues with land acquisition around Hwy 3 so that might delay the eastern portion. It would really be nice to see the Oak Bluff grade separation get built sooner than later.
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Speaking of that particular stretch, has there ever been any talk of upgrading 59/100 interchange from parclo to full cloverleaf?
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MIT just recently completed (2013?) a large rehab of that interchange, including slope stabilization. So i would say that is not going to happen in the near future unfortunately. Seems like it wouldn't be too much work to get that done though.
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Yes, that's true...I believe it was rehabbed last year. Not sure why that wouldn't have been made a full cloverleaf at time of construction..

One beef I have with these interchange rehabs the province is undertaking is - if you're going to shut down an interchange for 6 months at a time (or more), why not do any and all repairs required during that time period? For example, for the Pembina/perimeter interchange which just reopened maybe two months ago...the pavement on the SW loop (which is the only loop I ever use, so I can't speak for the others) is in horrible condition...why not resurface that while the interchange is already closed?
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Found this paragraph in the backgrounder released by the Province for the budget.
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ve=&item=30100

Strong infrastructure and a growing economy
Investments in core infrastructure keep businesses competitive and growing, and they create good job and training opportunities for families. Manitoba’s new $5.5-billion, five-year plan will build key infrastructure, boost Manitoba’s economy by $6.3 billion and create more than 58,000 jobs for families. Highlights include:
• historic investments in Manitoba’s major trade routes including PTH 75, the Trans-Canada Highway, PTH 10, PTH 12, PTH 6 and the North Perimeter Highway at PTH 59;
• the largest-ever provincial investment of $250 million to renew and upgrade Winnipeg streets;
• new infrastructure to support CentrePort Canada including a Trans-Canada Highway bypass at Headingley;
• new permanent flood protection for communities along the Assiniboine and Souris rivers, lakes Manitoba and St. Martin; and
• targeted funding of $75 million for municipal roads and bridges, in addition to a $700-million investment in bridges and overpasses provincewide.

K what?! Say it ain't so.. The promises continue.
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In terms of interchanges on the Perimeter there are four that seem to bee on the "near" term radar:

Waverly - preparation for the HWY 75 bypass
HWY 6 - CentrePort related for the "northern gateway"
HWY 2/3 "Oak Bluff" - high accident prone area
HWY 59 - the long over due one.

The "near" term plan seems to reduce as many at grade crossing from the Perimeter as possible focusing on the 59 to 75 route first under the pretense it is related to the CentrePort project. This means that St Marys and St Annes are currently lower priorities, I am sure in part due to the land acquisitions that are needed at those sites. With the exception of Oak Bluff the other near terms ones seem to largely have the required land either owned or highly undeveloped currently.
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What was the breakdown on funding by each level of govt.? IMO the centreport roadway was pretty far down the list on infrastructure priorities for this city and province. Build it and they will come may turn into "road to nowhere"!
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CCW, as it is today, was not a waste of money even if none of the businesses it was built to support develop. CCW effectively replaced Inkster between 90 and the Perimeter. That was a hazardous stretch of road as there was significant truck traffic on a high-speed two-lane road. Having it replaced with a four-lane divided roadway is a welcome change.

In the near term CCW and CPT will connect up to form the northern east-west expressway similar to what Bishop will be in the south.
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Two quotes from today on the Free Press twitter feed:

@martycash: The Headingley by-pass will cost about $150 million but costing and routing designs are still to come. 11:48 am on Mar 10
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@martycash: This morning the province is announcing it will build a Headingley by-pass extension to CentrePort Canada Way that was opened in Nov. 11:46 am on Mar 10

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/

Maybe we'll see something else coming in the news today. Another posted, can't remember who, had said the bypass would likely include a diamond at a mid point connection and a highway style interchange at the White Horse. It would also have to include the completion of the CCW interchange at the perimeter.

Another post on the CBC page:

Construction on headingley bypass to start soon, Ashton hopes it will be completed within 5 year infrastructure plan #cbcmb by Chris Glover via twitter on 10/3/2014 at 11:51:11

http://www.cbc.ca/manitoba/

This post up on the province website:
PROVINCE MOVES AHEAD WITH PLANS TO DOUBLE CENTREPORT CANADA WAY, REDUCING TRANS-CANADA HIGHWAY BOTTLENECK WEST OF WINNIPEG
http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ve=&item=30144

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http://globalnews.ca/news/1198441/ne...ss-headingley/

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Good idea for a thread, BomberJet.

With these improvements to the North Perimeter (at least in the short term), I wonder whether the north by-pass becomes a more attractive route for truck traffic than the "official" south by-pass. Less at-grade crossings, less lights, and a Headingley by-pass...
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So it looks like the 16 / TCH interchange is dead then.

They should also continue the east Brandon Bypass beyond PTH 10 (south) and have it join the TCH at Kemney.
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Maybe we'll see something else coming in the news today. Another posted, can't remember who, had said the bypass would likely include a diamond at a mid point connection and a highway style interchange at the White Horse. It would also have to include the completion of the CCW interchange at the perimeter.
Most of the CCW interchange at the Perimeter is already completed. The only work left is the south Perimeter to west CCW and east CCW to south Perimeter ramps. There is even an extra bridge that has already been completed for the second of those near where the south bound traffic starts to return to grade from the elevated interchange.

The potential diamond interchange, if accurate, would most likely be for provincial road 334, which the two lane 334 likely be the "over" route.

Considering that it seems to cost was spared on the CCW/Perimeter interchange I would personally be shocked if the CCW/1 intersection was not a full interchange as well.


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Good idea for a thread, BomberJet.

With these improvements to the North Perimeter (at least in the short term), I wonder whether the north by-pass becomes a more attractive route for truck traffic than the "official" south by-pass. Less at-grade crossings, less lights, and a Headingley by-pass...
Where truck traffic ends up will still depend on a few outside factors. The biggest is going to be the start/ending point of their route. With a lot of the local industry already based in the north west corner the new by pass will only strengthen this. Another significant factor though will be access to fuel/truck stops. Currently, these are all setup along HWY 1 in Headingley. It seems like a strong possibility if land is made available for these services, say near the signaled intersections that already existing inside CentrePort, that they will show up on the CCW route.

Now, my bigger questions are: when with COW announce the CTP to CCW extension that has been talked about and when will the HWY 75 bypass get some serious traction? Added bonus - the future Waverly/Kennaston interchange at the Perimeter is heavily tied to the plans for the HWY 75 by-pass.
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Interesting news regarding the extension of CCW to the Trans-Canada. That is practically light speed for a phase 2 by Manitoba standards.

I hope the interchange built at 1/26/190 is sufficient for two twinned, high speed highways and not a cheap cop-out like the diamond at 100/2 which will likely result in traffic lights remaining on McGillivray Boulevard and the off/on-ramps.

Even though CCW is intended for industrial and logistics traffic, I wonder if it will have an effect on residential and retail activity in the Assinboia area? Having Manitoba's best highway to zip around on might have the side effect of encouraging more people to live in that area.
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Where truck traffic ends up will still depend on a few outside factors. The biggest is going to be the start/ending point of their route. With a lot of the local industry already based in the north west corner the new by pass will only strengthen this. Another significant factor though will be access to fuel/truck stops. Currently, these are all setup along HWY 1 in Headingley. It seems like a strong possibility if land is made available for these services, say near the signaled intersections that already existing inside CentrePort, that they will show up on the CCW route.
I hope MIT does a better job of controlling access to CCW than it has on other routes where seemingly anyone and his dog can connect their business directly to the highway... needless to say this creates very treacherous situations.
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So it looks like the 16 / TCH interchange is dead then.

They should also continue the east Brandon Bypass beyond PTH 10 (south) and have it join the TCH at Kemney.
It is indefinitely on hold, from what I've heard.

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Most of the CCW interchange at the Perimeter is already completed. The only work left is the south Perimeter to west CCW and east CCW to south Perimeter ramps. There is even an extra bridge that has already been completed for the second of those near where the south bound traffic starts to return to grade from the elevated interchange.
They still need to build one more bridge on the east side of the main interchange for the loops to connect with, similar to the stand alone bridge on the west side. There will be four bridges at both the interchange and the rail overpass(which has the 4th, unused bridge already built).

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The potential diamond interchange, if accurate, would most likely be for provincial road 334, which the two lane 334 likely be the "over" route.

Considering that it seems to cost was spared on the CCW/Perimeter interchange I would personally be shocked if the CCW/1 intersection was not a full interchange as well.

Now, my bigger questions are: when with COW announce the CTP to CCW extension that has been talked about and when will the HWY 75 bypass get some serious traction? Added bonus - the future Waverly/Kennaston interchange at the Perimeter is heavily tied to the plans for the HWY 75 by-pass.
I was thinking the PR 334 location would be the only one as well. Hopefully all the other projects will go ahead within the near future.
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So the much needed PTH 59N & PTH 101 Interchange project get pushed back once again in favour of "everything" for Centre Port at all cost!
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So the much needed PTH 59N & PTH 101 Interchange project get pushed back once again in favour of "everything" for Centre Port at all cost!
It is really bizarre how so many badly-needed projects are on hold indefinitely while the pricy CCW gets fast-tracked at blazing speed to serve a non-existent industrial park.
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So it looks like the 16 / TCH interchange is dead then.

They should also continue the east Brandon Bypass beyond PTH 10 (south) and have it join the TCH at Kemney.
It needs to proceed as well. As for a Brandon bypass, the current route seems OK, but to upgrade to freeway standards might require a slight realignment. Three options exist:

* Upgrade existing route. Existing MB-1 corridor used with no new alignment necessary. Interchanges would most likely be at MB-10 and 18th Street. Some compromises would be necessary (i.e. a lower speed and a third lane in each direction due to weaving). Service roads would need to be realigned and some expropriation necessary.

* Freeway alignment to the north. Existing MB-1 could be closed off and the service roads used for local use. Interchanges would be most likely at MB-10 and Rugby Road (better separated, allowing a 110 km/h speed throughout). Some farmland needs expropriation but provides the most room for an interchange at Highway 10. My preference.

* Freeway alignment to the south, a bit closer to downtown. Again, MB-10 and 18th Street would be most suitable for interchanges. A few businesses and some farmland would need to be expropriated, and interchange spacing is again a bit of an issue.

As for returning at Kemnay, that is a big problem unless reconstruction takes place - trucks aren't allowed on the western part of 1A due to the low bridge! Although that is a good place for an local interchange, it is not a good primary route.
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Yes, some projects are being put on hold due to CCW, but if we want this industrial park to succeed, the 1st tri-modal hub facility in Canada, and increase,jobs,investments and our tax base, what do you choose? The greater long term benefit to all Manitoba's or a faster commuter time?

We do tend to talk about Manitoba's Economic situation on this forum quite frequently? (Ain't good right?)

Yes, a better,faster road system for drivers, or more potential economic activity for the entire province. Tough call.
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Yes, some projects are being put on hold due to CCW, but if we want this industrial park to succeed, the 1st tri-modal hub facility in Canada, and increase,jobs,investments and our tax base, what do you choose? The greater long term benefit to all Manitoba's or a faster commuter time?

We do tend to talk about Manitoba's Economic situation on this forum quite frequently? (Ain't good right?)

Yes, a better,faster road system for drivers, or more potential economic activity for the entire province. Tough call.
I don't know Cyro, seems to me those paying taxes for years and all those paying the added 1% PST to pay for infrastructure should see the benefit of that heavy taxation first in the form of acting upon what was planned years ago and projects left in limbo for lack of funds AND NOT Centreport which may or may NOT attract new business. Seems to me that a smart jurisdiction would have lined up and attracted business's that would be coming to a new business park before all the infrastructure was put in place, guess someone in the NDP caucus was enamoured with the movie "Field of Dreams"!
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Is that a high speed ramp from Westbound CCW to SB Perimeter?
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^Yeah, what's up with that? Clearly not what was built there. Ultimate build out maybe?
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So the much needed PTH 59N & PTH 101 Interchange project get pushed back once again in favour of "everything" for Centre Port at all cost!
Not shelved, being redesigned. They are looking at the intersections of Birds Hill Rd and Garvin Rd as well. Grade separations for everyone!!!

Either way It will likely just end up being not as elaborate with so many bridge structures......the last design had 7 bridge structures. I am hearing as long as the new design works out it should be fast tracked - the funding is still apparently allocated for it.
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Is that a high speed ramp from Westbound CCW to SB Perimeter?
Yes, but seeing that there is already a brand-new WB 190 to SB 101 cloverleaf loop in existence I wouldn't be surprised if it were a long time before we ever see that built.
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I don't know Cyro, seems to me those paying taxes for years and all those paying the added 1% PST to pay for infrastructure should see the benefit of that heavy taxation first in the form of acting upon what was planned years ago and projects left in limbo for lack of funds AND NOT Centreport which may or may NOT attract new business. Seems to me that a smart jurisdiction would have lined up and attracted business's that would be coming to a new business park before all the infrastructure was put in place, guess someone in the NDP caucus was enamoured with the movie "Field of Dreams"!
I do agree with your comments reg: the PST increase and the tax payers steadily increasing burden that should be going to infrastructure, 1st.

Yes, a smart jurisdiction should have lined up business to fill the park but this jurisdiction failed. Water/Sewer issues delayed all that is CentrePort. I'm still stinging due to the loss of a potential $15 Billion Data Center. Remember Google. The infrastructure was NOT in PLACE to proceed. It has apparently now been solved or is in the process of being solved..

$200+ Million for CCW pails in comparison to the 15 Billion lost for not having the area ready to take on new industrial clients. Their are 27 already their at this time.
I don't find myself disagreeing with you but seeing it from an all encompassing long term point of view.
Both are needed, for the tax payers of this Province and long term economic progress in Manitoba.

Time for a change in who runs Provincial and City Politics? I don't believe we'll disagree to much on that one.
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Here's another shot from the Free Press showing the cloverstack.



http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...249315661.html
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