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Old Posted Nov 25, 2015, 10:07 PM
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Has anyone else heard of the Notre Dame plan of Chicago?

I think it's interesting, although I'm not sure about the city losing most of it's skyscrapers! Especially with all the new ones that have been built in recent years!

I know the plan implies that skyscrapers will no longer be viable, and most will be demolished in the next century, but it seems more like that they will be replaced with newer skyscrapers!

Any way, here's a link to the website about the plan http://afterburnham.com/

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Old Posted Nov 26, 2015, 12:43 AM
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At seeing the name Notre Dame, my first thought was Thomas Gordon Smith and then after diddling in the stack of renderings, I kept thinking Leon Krier.

I love modern, but I love those two dudes so much too.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2015, 2:05 AM
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interesting...hard to imagine chicago without skyscrapers.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2015, 4:37 AM
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^ yeah, it seems more than a bit silly that one of the cities that birthed the skyscraper building type into existence (and continues to erect tham at a pretty good clip) would then tear them all down within several generations.

I guess it's interesting in a thought experiment sorta way, but then I read through the overview and it was chock full of catholic religious mumbo jumbo nonsense.

I somehow seemed to have escaped 13 years of catholic schooling without ever learning that the baby Jesus apparently hates skyscrapers. Who knew?
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2015, 5:56 AM
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Jesus (or whatever Catholicism that raped and traumatized you as a child, never mind) doesn't like arrogance, but surely doesn't mind about skyscrapers too much, huh.
Especially when there are thousands all around the world nowadays.
I mean, who actually cares about skyscrapers these days? Does your woman care? Only few chances she does, frankly.
Women as Jesus don't give a fuck. Sorry, folks...

Anyway, Chicago would better keep all of their towers, and build some more. And many more.
I'm just saying.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2015, 6:30 PM
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Not very interesting. It's purely aesthetic.

I love a good mid-rise city as much as the next guy, but there is no discussion of how we get from the current reality of sprawling and skyscraping Chicago to this mid-rise utopia. How do we preserve Chicago's economy with no expressways? What happens to turn thousands of square miles of suburbia into native grassland? Why do hundreds of downtown landowners decide they will settle for shorter buildings with 1/10th the rent they were getting before?

Of course, there are no answers to these questions because it could never, ever happen. The real challenges for the next century - ensuring future city development is high quality, retrofitting decaying suburban areas, shifting people away from car use - all of them are somehow glossed over for this fantasy.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2015, 7:15 PM
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This is dumb. A lot of time on their hands at notre dame I guess
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A better/more interesting grid would do wonders for Chicago. As of right now the fabric doesn't really flow well, the main downtown is confined in such a tiny area it makes the city seem much smaller than it actually is.

The opportunity to do so has unfortunately long past.
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This is something that could work for Detroit, but for Chicago it's just ridiculous.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2015, 9:42 PM
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I think this would have worked as an alternate version of the Burnham plan, instead of a future vision!

Like I said, the city will have a lot more tall building in 2109 instead of less!
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Guys, this is someone's class project. Literally. It's an intellectual exercise, not a serious proposal.
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But it's not a very good intellectual exercise, and handwaves away a lot of important questions.


It doesn't acknowledge that the present form of Chicago, in terms of building heights and density, is largely out of the control of architects and determined by economic forces and laws, transportation systems, etc.

It doesn't acknowledge the kinds of government power that would be necessary to achieve such a formalistic urban design.

It doesn't take lessons from this thought exercise and apply them to any real-world architectural problems.
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