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Smile [St. John's] The Official Project Thread



St. John's, Newfoundland & Labrador
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Links To St. John's Topic Threads

East End Development

Metro West End Development (including Mount Pearl, Paradise and CBS)

Transportation Development (Highways, Airport, and Public Transit)

351 Water Street|12 Floors|47m|U/C

Fortis Place|12 floors|49m|U/C

Henry-Bell Condo Complex|8-floors U/C |10 flrs |25-30m|U/C

Tiffany Estates Condos (2 Towers) | 16 Floors | 58m | Proposed

APP Hotel | 11 Floors | Proposed

Hilton Garden Inn| 12 Floors| 35m | Proposed

Deacon Investments Tower|10 Floors| 38m |Proposed

Concept Developments and Ideas

St. John's Retail Thread

St. John's Completed Projects

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Links to Other Discussion & Photo Sites about St. John's

Happy City | Facebook

Happy City - Smart Growth in Downtown St. John's

Vintage St. John's (Facebook)

It's Highrise Time - St. John's Central Business District (Facebook)

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St.John's All Inclusive Diagram (all structures)

St. John's TIMELINE Diagram

City Building Data Page

St. John's SSP Default Highrise Diagram

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Some Quick Facts:

Capital of Newfoundland & Labrador
Oldest English founded city in North America

2011 Census:
St. John's CMA - 196,966, an 8.8% increase from 181,113 (2006)
City of St. John's - 106,172

Population Estimate CMA, 2013 - 208,372
Population estimate CMA, 2012 - 200,600
Population estimate CMA, 2011 - 195,019
Population estimate CMA, 2010, (Statcan) - 192,300
Population estimate CMA, 2009 July 1, (Statcan) - 189,787
Population estimate CMA, 2008, (Statcan) - 187,249
2006 Census Populations:
St. John's CMA - 181,113, up from 172,918 (2001)
CMA area: 804 sq km
CMA Population Density per sq km: 225.1
St.John's City area - 446 sq km
City population density: 225.6
St. John's Economic Area ~ 248,418

Municipalities in the St. John's CMA (2011 census)
Name - Type - 2011 - 2006 - % change

St. John's CY 106,172 - 100,646 5.5
Conception Bay South T 24,848 - 21,966 13.1
Mount Pearl CY 24,284 - 24,671 -1.6
Paradise T 17,695 - 12,584 40.6
Torbay T 7,397 - 6,281 17.8
Portugal Cove-St. Philip's T 7,366 - 6,575 12.0
Logy Bay-Middle Cove-Outer Cove T 2,098 - 1,978 6.1
Pouch Cove T 1,866 - 1,756 6.3
Flatrock T 1,457 - 1,214 20.0
Bay Bulls T 1,283 - 1,078 19.0
Witless Bay T 1,179 - 1,070 10.2
Petty Harbour-Maddox Cove T 924 - 915 1.0
Bauline T 397 - 379 4.7

Urban Area Population (Population Centre) Stats (2011)
St. John's CMA (urban) population centre - 165,346
Urban land area in square kilometres - 185.55
Population density of urban area (PC) - 891 per sq. km.
(Goulds separate urban area population - 4,525)


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Background - The Oldest British founded city in North America

St John's is the second largest city and metropolitan area in the Atlantic Provinces, the fourth largest coastal city in Canada, and by North American standards an old & historic city which places high importance on preserving its heritage and unique character. After a series of modern high-rise projects between the late 1950's and 1980's, height restrictions and stringent heritage by-laws were put in place and recently strengthened again. As a result most of the pre-WW2 downtown and surroundings are part of a large three tiered heritage area. The development philosophy of the city is to encourage the re-use of its existing buildings (many heritage structures have been converted to condominiums) and develop context sensitive infill and new low-rise projects. Recently (2010), the city has considered excluding a small block of land in the West downtown area from heritage regulations to accomodate taller and more modern buildings.



Photo of city from June 2013, showing construction of Fortis Place and 351 Water Street:



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Some Projects & Proposals
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This post contains information about some expected future buildings, some of which may be speculative.


A Map showing developments, and some existing features, downtown area only -




Fortis Place - 5 Springdale Street - Completed in 2014.
Building height, total to top of mech penthouse - 49 meters.
Developer's Website: http://www.fortisplace.com/index.html

Land use Assessment Report:
http://www.stjohns.ca/pdfs/Horwood%2...ic%20Study.pdf
View plane Analysis:
http://www.stjohns.ca/pdfs/Fortis%20...%20%202011.pdf
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Fortis Properties Corporation announced today (April 4, 2011) its submission of a development application to the City of St. John’s for the construction of a 12-storey, Class A office building at the corner bounded by Springdale Street, New Gower Street and Hamilton Avenue Extension, also known as the former Horwood Lumber site. This site is designated by the city’s Municipal Plan as an area allowing for additional building height to 12-storeys.
The $50 million project will feature 145,000 square feet of Class A office space and include 183 parking spaces in line with municipal requirements. The building will be constructed to environmental and energy efficient standards and will exceed the Model National Energy Code for Buildings.
Source: http://www.fortisproperties.com/en/h...pril42011.aspx
http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Loca...-development/1

Tiffany Village Condos at Tiffany Estates - 16 floors - height 58 m - Proposed.
"Located in the heart of St. John’s, the Tiffany Village Condominiums project will consist of two concrete state-of-the-art buildings with panoramic views of the City. These buildings will have up to 240 residential condominium units with 2 levels of underground parking. . ."

Source: Land Use Assesment Report PDF
Website: http://kmkcapital.ca/property/tiffany-condominiums/

APP Hotel proposed, 11 stories total, height ~ 33m estimate
This is a proposal for a 3 story hotel addition above the existing 8 storey AP parking garage. (June 2013)

Source, and more info: http://www.stjohns.ca/sites/default/...27s%20Cove.pdf

Hilton Garden Inn - 12-storey Hotel, height 35 m to main roof - Proposed 2011

This is a proposal for a new 12-storey, 150 room hotel in downtown St. John’s (April 27, 2011). — at Springdale Street, New Gower Street and Hamilton Avenue.
There is also the possibility of a second tower being built as Phase 2 of the project.
Source, Land Use Assesment report: http://www.stjohns.ca/pdfs/Aerial_Ma...ringdaleSt.pdf
Source: http://www.thetelegram.com/Business/...26rsquo%3Bs-/1
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfou...hotel-712.html

Mix - 345-347 Duckworth Street, Redevelopment of former Newfoundland Telephone Building - Preconstruction
Developer's Website: http://www.condosmix.com/
The existing building will be redeveloped and expanded in a mixed use development containing about 83 condo units and commercial space on the ground floors. Three floors will be added to the east section; one floor and a new section will be added on the west. The finished height will be 8 stories, 28.53 meters from Duckworth, and 10 stories, about 35m, from the lower elevation of McBrides Hill. Parking will be provided by the Henry bell development parking garage across the street.

Source: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfou...pment-223.html
Land Use Assesment Report: http://www.stjohns.ca/pdfs/AirPhotoS...neAnalysis.pdf

Henry Bell Developments Proposal - Henry Street - Duckworth Street (Marconi, Mirador & Metropark) Under Construction
Developer's Website (Marconi): http://condosmarconi.com/
The 9 storey project will have a total of 90 units and a five-level parking garage (Metropark) which will have about 400 parking stalls.
It includes the renovation and expansion of the former CBC-Capitol Theatre Building, and is expected to cost in excess of $33 million.

Source & Article: The Telegram, Courtesy of the City of St.John's - http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Loca...Size-matters/1
More Photos: http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Loca...Size-matters/1

40 Henry Street - Star Of The Sea Condo (revised) - Proposed/Approved
This 8 storey condominium development is proposed to be built on Henry Street downtown, replacing the now demolished Star of the Sea Hall.
Permission was granted for demolition in July 2010. Building heights of the revised proposal will range from 20.5 metres on the east end to 26.5 metres on the west end (~24 m at entrance). The building will contain 84 condo units on 6 levels and 106 parking spaces on 2 levels, the FAR is 4.4.
http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Loca...ll-will-fall/1
LUAR: http://www.stjohns.ca/pdfs/Map_Amend...nry_Street.pdf
The old design proposal was replaced, Sept 2012, with this one:

Source: http://www.stjohns.ca/upload/agendas...ember42012.pdf

47 Lemarchant Road 5 fl, 18m. Status: Approved
Proposal for a five storey 40 unit condo building to be built in two phases.
There are two levels of parking containing 64 stalls, in addition to the five levels of condos. The proposed FAR is 4.1. Added Nov 2012.

Source: http://www.stjohns.ca/sites/default/...026%202012.pdf
http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Loca...chant-condos/1

430 Water Street 6 fl, 21.6m NEW 2012
Proposal for a six storey addition to an existing office building. The six stories includes one level of parking. The area of the new construction is 1932 m², total area 4452 m². The proposed FAR is 3.0. Added Nov 2012.

Source: http://www.stjohns.ca/sites/default/...026%202012.pdf

Fortis Building - Retrofit.

Retrofitting work is expected to start sometime after 2012. Fortis had proposed a 15-storey tower to be built adjacent, but it was abandoned after considerable public
opposition. This 12-storey building opened in 1969 as the Royal Trust Building, and was the first office tower in St. John's.
Source: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundlan...#ixzz1D1PGzDVq

Duckworth East - Hotel/Condo Development - (New Jan 2012) - Proposed
This proposed development consists of two five storey buildings on opposite sides of the street, located at the corner of Duckworth & Ordnance, and Duckworth near Hill O'Chips. The flatiron style building (south side) will be a condo/hotel with commercial space on the ground floor. The north side building is proposed for the site of the old east end fire station and will have two levels of parking with three floors of residential above.

Source, CBC News, Here & Now

Courtyard By Marriott Hotel Expansion Duckworth Street, 19.8m - Proposed & Approved
This is a six storey building across the street from the existing hotel.

Source and details: http://www.stjohns.ca/pdfs/Marriott%...nformation.pdf
Source, old proposal, view plane analysis: http://www.stjohns.ca/pdfs/Duckworth...20Analysis.pdf
This proposal changed in July 2012, formerly consisting of a four storey building and a pedway connection, the changes were approved by council Nov 2012.

49-53 Harvey Road - Proposed
This is a proposal for a 5 storey mixed use building containing office and residential space. The Longs Hill elevation will be higher, up to 7 stories.

Pleasantville Lands Development - Under Construction
Birds Eye View
64 acres at Pleasantville will be developed into a comprehensive residential and commercial area. Canada Lands Corp.'s plan will see about 960 residential units built, including single-family and multi-unit homes and hundreds of condominiums. The plan also includes two 10-storey towers that would be built in the NW section, also 3/4 & 6 storey multiple unit buildings, some with commercial/residential use. Upcoming major development.
Image Here
The development will include:
Single Family 45
Single Family (cottage) 23
Duplex Units 44
Townhouses 38
Multi Units (3 - 4 storeys) 286
Multi Units (6 storeys) 120
Multi Units (10 storeys) 362
Mixed use residential 40
Assisted living Complex
Total units 958
Property (acres) 63.75
Commercial (sq m) 5800
Density (units/acre)15
Links to the plan, zoning changes, & Memorandum:
http://www.stjohns.ca/pdfs/PLEASANTV...0DISTRICTS.pdf
http://www.stjohns.ca/pdfs/PLEASANTV...20REZONING.pdf
http://www.stjohns.ca/pdfs/Planning&...ille_Jan27.pdf
http://www.stjohns.ca/images/pleasantville.gif

Fort William Station Condominium - Partially Completed
Birds Eye View
8 - 10 Water Street - 5 stories including parking. This development will consist of six residential condominium buildings to be located on the former Standard Manufacturing site on Water Street East opposite the waterfront. Each building will have eight units for a total of 48 and there will be one level of indoor parking, and an outside parking lot for 34 cars. Approved, phase one is complete.


St. John's Convention Centre Expansion - Under Construction

More info: http://destinationstjohns.com/destin...lanner/#/18-19

Cabot Development, Retirement Village
Stavanger Drive - Seniors Retirement Village & Condominiums consisting of one five storey and three four storey buildings, 30 building lots for single-detached housing, total 208 residential units on 16 acres. (proposed)

Steele Hotel, Water Street West - Completed 2015
The hotel was proposed in 2007, containing 50 to 70 rooms and is to be 5 to 6 stories
facing Water Street, with a roof height of 23 meters. Current Status: Under Construction

Source, http://fougeremenchenton.ca/index.html
Sources - from city LUAR
http://www.stjohns.ca/csj/Steele%20H...t%20(p1-5).pdf
http://www.stjohns.ca/csj/Steele%20H...%20(p6-12).pdf
http://www.stjohns.ca/csj/Steele%20H...20(p13-18).pdf



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Recently Completed Projects
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On-Hold, Not Approved, Cancelled or Conceptual Projects :
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General Development Map


Map updated 2012

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Hooray for a projects thread for St. John's!

I'll have to go take some photos of lots and condos going up some day.
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Thanks, I'll look forward to that.

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I love both of the renderings, I was actually looking around the Duckworth/Bell St. location today when I was walking into work, should take the camera with me and get a couple of shots, its a prime area for this place, really going to add life to that block of Duckworth.

From the rendering on the development on Water, it looks like it will be directly across from the Delta? I thought it was going in the vacant lot a little further down the road, looks like it would be right on the corner there now with Water and Waldegrave on top of where Hempwear used to be?
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More info on the Water St. West proposal --> http://www.downtownstjohns.com/news/...1410.html#more
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In the same general area of the Water St. West I noticed SOLD signs last week on a row of apartments, buildings and the old NL Stamp and Coin, looks like the city has bought them with immediate plans to expand some municipal offices, defiently exciting times for the city and downtown core --> http://www.downtownstjohns.com/news/...1409.html#more
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Here's a map showing the Steele site, it's bounded by George, Buchanan, Prince, and Water St. It is the vacant lot.

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In the same general area of the Water St. West I noticed SOLD signs last week on a row of apartments, buildings and the old NL Stamp and Coin, looks like the city has bought them with immediate plans to expand some municipal offices, defiently exciting times for the city and downtown core --> http://www.downtownstjohns.com/news/...1409.html#more
I read about that too, eventually they may build a city office building there, as it's right across from the city hall. There was a condo proposal for that area too, I don't know if it's the same land, or just adjacent.

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I've noticed that St. John's has no official project thread.. I've stickied this one so it stays up top with the others.
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^Thanks, it's time St.John's had a thread, I hope it will create some good discussions about the city.

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Nfld Telephone Building Conversion

Here's another innovative proposal for downtown, to redevelop the old Newfoundland telephone building on Duckworth Street. The original structure was built around 1948, and includes a 7 storey section on Duckworth, and about 9 at the back, being built on a steep incline. Since it is an existing structure, the developer can maintain the present height. The proposed makeover will be a conversion to high end hotel suites.

Existing building:






Renderings of what the new project might look like:




http://www.jharchitect.ca/

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Old phone building going upscale
October 29, 2007

The old Newfoundland Telephone building in downtown St. John's is destined for a $3.5-million makeover into high-end hotel suites. Southwest Properties Ltd. - the Halifax-based owners of the remodelled Atlantic Place - has submitted an application to redevelop the building on Duckworth Street. Once refurbished, it would house 20 hotel suites, complete with kitchenettes. The basement floor along McBride's Hill is likely to become retail space. Southwest's plan calls for tearing down the seven-storey west wing and expanding the five-storey east wing. That expansion will consist of two additional storeys and a new section on the west side. Eleven off-street parking spaces will be created on the west side. Overseen by John Hearn, the St. John's architect who designed the St. John's airport terminal, the building's exterior will have a stucco finish and a parapet around the seventh storey. Frank Galgay, ward councillor for the area, plans to vote in favour of the hotel, saying it will help revitalize that section of Duckworth Street.

The project already has the blessing of the city's planning department and the council's planning and housing committee.

It will also continue to be a non-conforming building under the city's regulations - meaning it exceeds the maximum height of four storeys, or 15 metres, permitted under zoning regulations. The city's rules say such buildings may be "repaired, rebuilt, structurally altered or expanded, provided the degree of non-conformity is not increased." The refurbished building won't get any taller. "Viewscapes are not impacted whatsoever by this. In fact, they're slightly improved where they're taking a piece off the west end. But mostly what you'll see more of is ... more buildings," said Sampson.

Excerpt from The Telegram, Monday, October 29, 2007. Article by Moira Baird
http://www.downtownstjohns.com/news/...1299.html#more

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Gentrification of the Battery

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New subdivision to crop up in Battery
The Telegram

Council has given approval to Harmony Homes Ltd. to construct six semi-detached houses on Powder House Hill, in the Battery. The lot is currently vacant, since the single house which was situated on the land was torn down last year.

http://www.thetelegram.com/index.cfm?sid=107833&sc=79
Reporting this as a major development would not normally be warranted, except for its prominent position overlooking St. John's harbour. Any development in this area will be highly visible because it is located high on the cliffs, which is one of the most featured postcard views in Newfoundland. This type of development usually looks very good in the city context.

These will have the best views in the city - Developer rendering:




The Battery, (my photo) - they will be on the left, near the big white hotel building.

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I was wondering why SJ's has no forum...good to see.
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Another development I've wandered across, but heard little of.

The Narrows - 47 Duckworth Street
Parking: 2 underground spaces per unit
Located in scenic downtown, this project literally hangs on the slope to the
harbour front overlooking the historic Narrows.



And some general useful links to see the day to day goings on.

Latest St. John's Council Minutes

Link to St. John's Council Minutes
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I like that one...
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the Newfoundland Telephone building gets redone, I love that concept; with the Steele Hotels building just down the street, it would be an unbelievable boost to that area.

Also next to new hotel and across the street from the telephone building, the building that CBC used to occupy is supposed to be redeveloped into a theatre, although I haven't heard any news or seen any renderings --> http://www.downtownstjohns.com/news/...es/001267.html

Work has been moving along with the Narrows Condos, I walk past that every morning on my way to work, and rain, snow, or shine, the guys have been working away on the foundation.
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^ I didn't know the Narrows was under construction yet. There is supposed to be more phases added to that site later as well. Thanks for posting that HomeInMyShoes.

Here's another nice looking development. This is a 6 fl seniors complex just east of the Holiday Inn. I believe construction started last summer.



http://www.kennyspondresidence.com/

I should add that this is the height limit for most of the new parts of the city I think. For a location like this one, it seems a bit too restrictive.

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I didn't know the Narrows was under construction yet.
I just noticed the other day as I went for a walk up Signal Hill. Things look to be progressing fairly well, the foundation is definitely well underway and that bodes well for having some structure up by this Summer.
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Hope you guys can post some pics sometime, I don't get back there that often, but was there last summer.

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Hope you guys can post some pics sometime, I don't get back there that often, but was there last summer.


me 2 excited to see this was going to request it. Its been two year for me since Ive been back
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