Originally Posted by Nantais
Coming from a country which has just celebrated (with lot of pomp) an old lady's life whose sole merit was being born, this is quite ironic.
I take the view that it wasn’t a celebration of her personally, but of Britain, its culture, its people; essentially one big party. Think of it as the British equivalent of Bastille Day, except not every year, with more laughter and without the tanks. There is also the questionable and complex point as to whether it is as much of a burden to be the monarch, which counterbalances, or even outweighs the positives. Nonetheless, I fail to see how this is illustrative of Britain being more restrictive than France.
Originally Posted by SHiRO
Sorry to say man but this is nothing more than a good old British masturbatory post. Don't you watch those shows where British couples sell their house to start a restaurant or B&B in France or Italy? Two years ago I stayed at a camp ground in France run by a guy from Birmingham, you should have heard what he had to say about the meritocratic British society (and really? the UK is well known, rightly or wrongly for its class divisions).
I really have no stake in all of this, I'd just as well move to London as I would to Paris and depending on what field you're in or what you want to do there, either of those two is the better choice (and most of the time both). The French state on a whole is not more overbearing in any noticable way than the British one. Some aspects might be, but the UK has no lack of state overbearance. Just look up and count the cameras next time you're outside in your liberal and vibrant society.
I don't want to sound mean and I love both the UK and France alike, but posts like yours don't help on this already myth infested forum. About 90% of what is written here about places outside the US is pure bullshit and that includes your post.
I think you might have a rather jaundiced perspective of British society; this is the 21st century, not the Somme. That isn’t to say that it is some sort of rosy paradise; people can fall through the cracks, but the situation is far more preferable than in France where the state has a more commanding presence to do something with your life. Suffice to say, I have achieved what I have with my own business to date based on hard work
Why struggle against a bureaucratic stratified system, when you can be in London from Paris in just over 2hrs.
My first highlight would be the numerous long-term shareholdings that France holds in marquee ‘national champion’ companies across multiple sectors ranging from electricity, vehicle production, telecoms, gas, etc..., this phenomenon is pretty much non-existent in the UK; where state-supported industries were dropped long ago. You then have the protectionist attitude built into the establishment (refer to the Danone – Pepsi case) or interventionist policies. For instance, I could never envision a present-day British PM announcing a forced merger (as was in the case of Suez and GDF) to avoid a foreign takeover. In conclusion, the situation is best summarised by the World Bank’s latest Ease of Doing Business Report
, where the UK came 7th (2nd in the G8), while France came 29th (6th in the G8), in the Index of Economic Freedom
ranking, the UK came 14th, France 67th, and in the Economic Freedom of the World Index
, the UK was 8th, France 42nd.
I also fail to see your point about cameras; there might be a lot of them, but they aren’t connected together and the vast majority provide sensible uses (e.g. along train platforms to provide clarity for drivers that nobody is stuck between the train and platform); I’d personally be more worried about police officers on-the-beat with firearms.
Should you have any further questions on whether Britain has a more restricted society relative to France, I shall point you in the direction of various rankings including Freedom of the Press
, Bribe Payers Index
, Democracy Index
, Corruption Perceptions Index
, Global Peace Index
, Press Freedom Index
, and Global Enabling Trade Report
where the UK is ranked positively above France.
Originally Posted by LtBk
This kind of craps happens when you get too close to the US, the UK media portrayals continental Europe as some hellhole, or you governed by a center-right party whose ideology is close to the GOP party(thanks to Thatcher).
Continental Europe (excluding Germany, sensible & non-€ nations) is a hellhole at this precise moment; indecisiveness to sort the €-crisis once and for all is increasingly moving towards a break-up and potential global depression. Outside of that small € issue
, the UK media is generally mixed on Europe, whether it be Sky News, the Guardian, The Economist or the BBC. The entire mis-management of the € in recent years however has probably turned many off further integration.
On a side note, the UK Government is currently composed of a coalition between the Conservative Party and the Liberal Democrats. Historically the Republicans and Conservatives would probably have aligned, but the modern-day Conservative Party are more akin to the Democrats on policies.