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Old Posted: Jun 13, 2012, 8:28 PM
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back a page, but the MCC in Chicago is a federal jail (pretrial detention), not a prison (convicts who have received sentences)
It's a Federal Bureau of Prisons property.

So, if you're correct, maybe the Federal Bureau of Prisons also operates jails? They label it as a prison on the FBP website.
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Old Posted: Jun 13, 2012, 9:55 PM
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It's a Federal Bureau of Prisons property.

So, if you're correct, maybe the Federal Bureau of Prisons also operates jails? They label it as a prison on the FBP website.
Crawford, ask yourself why the federal government would house likely dangerous convicted criminals for extended periods of time in one of the densest neighborhoods in the country?

It's a federal pretrial facility.
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Old Posted: Jun 13, 2012, 10:26 PM
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Brooklyn Is Indeed Getting Way Whiter

Brooklyn includes four of the 25 most whitened neighborhoods in the United States over the last ten years, according to numbers crunched by education blogger Michael Petrilli of the Fordham Institute. By zip code, that makes it the most represented place on the list, above Washington, D.C., which appears three times. Unsurprisingly, the zip codes 11205 and 11206, which include parts of Fort Greene, Clinton Hill, and Williamsburg, saw about a 29 percent change in the white share of population between 2000 and 2010. Rounding out the list is 11237, a.k.a. East Williamsburg and Bushwick, and 11238, which encompasses Prospect Heights, as well as bits of Crown Heights and Bed Stuy.

Petrilli notes that to map actual gentrification, zip codes aren't ideal ("because boundaries can change") and neither is white share of the population ("because you’d really want to look at changes in income levels"), but making use of the data available, it still provides a telling blueprint. And while the Brooklyn spots are predictable if you've stepped foot off of the L train or near Fort Greene Park in the last decade, cities changing even faster include Roanoke, Virginia; Chattanooga, Tennessee; and Columbia, South Carolina. So even in discussions about gentrification, Brooklyn isn't the center of the universe.  

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/06...ay-whiter.html
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Old Posted: Jun 13, 2012, 10:34 PM
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If it was a formerly majority non-white area that has very rapidly become majority white, then yes I would think of that as a sign of gentrifcation.

Obviously it's not perfect (and the better issue raised already in this thread was, what about white working class neighborhoods that have gentrified), but it does provide some clues.
I'm not even going to say it's "not perfect", the measure does not indicate what we think it means. It's a lazy pantomime with numbers. Bring me back when they do multiple regressions to compare. Because all the list says is "caucasation" or "albination" more than "gentrification."
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Old Posted: Jun 13, 2012, 11:20 PM
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Ghetto-isation = more blacks moving in.

Barrio-isation = more hispanics moving in.
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Old Posted: Jun 14, 2012, 12:34 AM
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Gentrification = higher percentage of whites...WTF???

Whatever happened to using things like rising property prices as an indication for gentrification?
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Non-Latino white? Just wondering.
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D Magazine got to the bottom of the Dallas numbers...

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The Fastest-Gentrifying Neighborhood in Dallas?
Posted on June 11th, 2012 4:58pm by Jason Heid
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A co-working FrontBurnervian passes along this blog post from education think-tank Thomas E. Fordham Institute looking at the fastest-gentrifying neighborhoods in the country. The writer admits that it’s a crude look at the topic, since he’s basing it on ZIP codes and on the change in the white population in the area (when higher income levels would be more accurate).

Anyway, on his list, No. 8 in fact, is the Dallas ZIP code 75247, which saw its white population increase by about 28.3 percent between 2000 and 2010. See for yourself where 75247 is. Or I’ll tell you: it’s just west of Stemmons Freeway and is mostly industrial/warehouse land. Does anybody even live over there?

I looked at the numbers. In 2000, the total population was 254. In 2010, it was 468.

So I’m guessing that an apartment community got built within this ZIP, and that most of the residents of that apartment community are white. Small numbers skew findings.
http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/201...ood-in-dallas/
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The 78702 gentrification in Austin is very much for real. As a cracker myself I have personally contributed to it.
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Silly.

And isn't the median household income (and educational attainment) for Asian-Americans higher than whites? Shouldn't we use % Asian growth as the barometer for "gentrifying" neighborhoods?

...but of course not. *clutches pearls*
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This study has to be taken with a huge grain of salt. The 29202 zip code of Columbia is said to be the most gentrified in the country, but I just found out that 29202 is not a residential zip code; it only encompasses post office boxes at the main post office on Assembly Street in downtown.
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Chicago's Metropolitan Correctional Center is both a jail and a prison, where some nonviolent convicts serve relatively short sentences. In fact, one of my neighbors recently finished a stay there. But the question is irrelevant to this discussion, as it's south of Van Buren and therefore in 60605.
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Here are the estimated 2010 populations of the top 4 zip codes, according to city-data.com:

1. Columbia, SC/29202/Pop: 45 (yes, 45)
2. Chattanooga, TN/37408/Pop: 2,467 (a mostly industrial area on the SW of DT Chatty)
3. Chicago, IL/60604/Pop: 307 (right in the heart of the loop, probably one condo tower)
4. Roanoke, VA/24011/Pop: 483

So, not that anybody wasn't, but this should be taken with a huge grain of salt. Obviously the authors of this study failed to examine what these zip codes actually consist of. The Chattanooga zip code is the only one with enough people to even really qualify as an actual neighborhood, and even it is pretty slim population wise.
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Old Posted: Jun 14, 2012, 5:40 AM
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Do Boston and Seattle even have zip codes that are 47.1% visible minority?
Uh what? Like the multiple zip codes that make up Roxbury, Dorchester, Mattapan, Hyde Park, East Boston...

Even post-gentrification South End and Jamaica Plain are barely over 50% white.

Ironically in Boston's case, the most rapidly gentrifying neighborhood today is South Boston...
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Old Posted: Jun 14, 2012, 9:37 AM
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Why would you be surprised (or happy) about that? 80% of San Francisco is either white or asian. Less than 10% is black. It'd be really difficult to create the sort of racial swings that that report uses with the demographics of San Francisco.
Surprised because neighborhoods that are home to many Latino and Black families like the Mission, Vis Valley and the Bay View are supposedly gentrifying at a high rate. To not even be in the top 20 surprised me, that's all. Happy because perhaps (at least according to this seemingly flawed study) it's not happening at the rate people say or believe it is.
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Old Posted: Jun 14, 2012, 10:03 AM
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Here are the estimated 2010 populations of the top 4 zip codes, according to city-data.com:

1. Columbia, SC/29202/Pop: 45 (yes, 45)
2. Chattanooga, TN/37408/Pop: 2,467 (a mostly industrial area on the SW of DT Chatty)
3. Chicago, IL/60604/Pop: 307 (right in the heart of the loop, probably one condo tower)
4. Roanoke, VA/24011/Pop: 483
Honestly, this is basically the end of the thread, right here, if you ask me. That's not to say that this isn't an issue worthy of discussion and consistent study, but connected to this specific list? Probably not. I mean, I guess the criteria is consistent from a statistical standpoint, but to call these "neighborhoods" as the word is usually understood seems deceptive or at least sloppy. That's not even to mention again, as others have, that the very basis of the list seems a gross oversimplification.
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What would be interesting to see is a list that uses a cutoff for population, and possibly does it by average income rather than race (although the first is a bigger issue).
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The author of the study revised his list after some complaints were lodged against him (LOL): http://www.edexcellence.net/commenta...ion-share.html
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Yey, go middle class moving back into the cities!! % of whites is probably a somewhat close indicator unfortunately, but you absolutely also need to look at the rising African American middle class, and I mean Asians on average make more money than whites and Hispanics as the most recent immigrant group are sadly lagging a bit behind, but they need to be included as well obv. Money doesn't care about color.
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Old Posted: Jun 15, 2012, 9:11 AM
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Yey, go middle class moving back into the cities!! % of whites is probably a somewhat close indicator unfortunately, but you absolutely also need to look at the rising African American middle class, and I mean Asians on average make more money than whites and Hispanics as the most recent immigrant group are sadly lagging a bit behind, but they need to be included as well obv. Money doesn't care about color.
On a practical level, gentrification is still a largely White-driven phenomenon on the whole. I suspect that even just looking at income levels, you'll still see things largely correlated with race.
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