The fastest-gentrifying neighborhoods in the United States...

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Crawford

White to Black and getting more affluent is somewhat rarer, but I think it exists, in small geographies, especially in McMansion suburbia.

I don't think it's that rare. Black middle class flight from Detroit to exurban Wayne and Macomb Counties, Michigan is probably what it typically looks like. There is a similar type of displacement in South Jersey too -- mainly the exurban areas between Atlantic City and Philly.

[10023]

Originally Posted by R@ptor

Gentrification = higher percentage of whites...WTF???

Whatever happened to using things like rising property prices as an indication for gentrification?

The data for property prices and income levels hasn't been released yet, so this guy used the percentage of whites as a proxy (because racial data is available).

It's not a perfect method but will be highly correlated in American cities.

[Jelly Roll]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

I don't think it's that rare. Black middle class flight from Detroit to exurban Wayne and Macomb Counties, Michigan is probably what it typically looks like. There is a similar type of displacement in South Jersey too -- mainly the exurban areas between Atlantic City and Philly.

The towns that is happening in exurban Philly and next to AC are not getting wealthier the demographics are just changing. Maybe, Franklinville could possibly meet that criteria but I do not think Bridgeton, Glassboro, Lindenwold, Millville, Pleasantville, West Atco, Winslow, Waterford, and others are really getting much wealthier just the demographics have changed.

[SteveD]

Originally Posted by 10023

The data for property prices and income levels hasn't been released yet, so this guy used the percentage of whites as a proxy (because racial data is available).

It's not a perfect method but will be highly correlated in American cities.

In addition in light of the housing meltdown over the past 5 years or so that would likely be an exceedingly difficult if not impossible yardstick to use as an indicator.

[NY Jew]

Originally Posted by Crawford

This probably works reasonably well as a proxy for gentrification, but I wonder if the fast growth of Orthodox Jewish population in Brooklyn would produce some nonintuitive rankings.

the Brooklyn Zip Codes

11205 ten years ago there were almost no Chasidiem south of Flushing AVe now it's mostly chasdich
11206 also became much much more chasdich till Flushing Ave

11237 and 11238 is due to gentrification

[NY Jew]

Originally Posted by 10023

How fast is the Hasidic population growing, really? I know they tend to have tons of kids, but I really don't want to see Orthodox Jews (or any other devoutly religious group) become a political force in the city.

according to the federation there was a increase of 115,000 Orthodox Jews in NYC, LI and Westchester from 2002-2011

[NY Jew]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

yes indeedily do:


Brooklyn Is Indeed Getting Way Whiter

Brooklyn includes four of the 25 most whitened neighborhoods in the United States over the last ten years, according to numbers crunched by education blogger Michael Petrilli of the Fordham Institute. By zip code, that makes it the most represented place on the list, above Washington, D.C., which appears three times. Unsurprisingly, the zip codes 11205 and 11206, which include parts of Fort Greene, Clinton Hill, and Williamsburg, saw about a 29 percent change in the white share of population between 2000 and 2010. Rounding out the list is 11237, a.k.a. East Williamsburg and Bushwick, and 11238, which encompasses Prospect Heights, as well as bits of Crown Heights and Bed Stuy.

Petrilli notes that to map actual gentrification, zip codes aren't ideal ("because boundaries can change") and neither is white share of the population ("because you’d really want to look at changes in income levels"), but making use of the data available, it still provides a telling blueprint. And while the Brooklyn spots are predictable if you've stepped foot off of the L train or near Fort Greene Park in the last decade, cities changing even faster include Roanoke, Virginia; Chattanooga, Tennessee; and Columbia, South Carolina. So even in discussions about gentrification, Brooklyn isn't the center of the universe.  

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/06...ay-whiter.html

many of the "gentrifiers" in 2 of those zip codes speak yiddish as a first language, never went to college, wear black hats or wigs, and are poorer then the people their replacing.

[Kingofthehill]

He's back! NYJew found a Hasidic-related topic!

[Stained]

I live in Chattanooga near the zip code listed, and I think it is way more a matter of new housing units actually becoming available more than anything. The whole downtown area here has seen an explosion of housing development in what was major industrial districts. This has begun to push out those with lower incomes, no matter what their race. It is becoming a nice area for young people and families.

[liat91]

Here is 2010 neighborhood data using exact boundaries and census block level data. It's per capita income and % white. I will try and focus on gentrified hoods as much as I can;

Lincoln Park, IL 83% $84,529
Adams Morgan, DC 68% $70,753
Rockridge, CA 73% $69,721
Chelsea, NY 65% $68,081
Clinton, NY 57% $66,574
Potrero Hill, CA 56% $64,452
Federal Hill, MD 86% $63,500
Lakeview, IL 80% $63,140
Virginia Highland, GA 83% $61,899
Melrose Dist., CA 77% $60,969
Stanton Park, DC 67% $59,344
Park Slope, NY 70% $59,151
Manhattan Bch, NY 95% $58,712 (the whitest urban neighborhood I came across)
Roscoe Village, IL 80% $58,675
Queen Village, PA 70% $58,644
Charlestown, MA 76% $58,423
Brickell, FL 32% $58,179
Capitol Hill, DC 53% $56,870
Montrose, TX 70% $56,594
Carroll Gardens, NY 81% $54,335
Inman Park, GA 81% $53,895
Washington Sq., PA 72% $53,237
Ctry Club Plaza, MO 82% $52,061
E. Sacramento, CA 78% $51,726
German Village, OH 89% $51,098
M Streets, TX 75% $50,937
Los Feliz, CA 64% $50,926
Poncey Hlnds, GA 79% $49,563
Shady Side, PA 69% $49,160
Leschi, WA 52% $48,221
East Village, NY 50% $47,904
Morningside Hts., NY 46% $47,730
Wicker Park, IL 69% $47,242
Venice Beach, CA 67% $46,877
Hillcrest, CA 74% $46,567
South Boston, MA 78% $46,175
Irvington, OR 84% $44,922
South Beach, FL 46% $44,304
Prospect Heights, NY 46% $44,111
Manayunk, PA 91% $42,679
Alamo Square, CA 56% $41,462
South End, MA 40% $39,690
Mt. Airy, PA 31% $38,991
Dimond District, CA 41% $37,932
N. Hollywood, CA 43% $37,435
Fairmount, PA 77% $37,220
Columbia Hts., DC 28% $35,097
Petworth, DC 11% $34,061
Silver Lake, CA 35% $33,875
Pennsport, PA 59% $33,662
Kirkwood, GA 44% $31,065
Lower East Side, NY 27% $29,692
Allegheny West, PA 75% $29,662
Sugar House, UT 86% $29,556
Hyde Park, MA 29% $29,410
Mt. Washington, PA 79% $28,096
Ditmars-Steinway, NY 64% $25,456
Bridgeport, IL 38% $25,135
Bloomfield, PA 79% $24,714
Lafayette Sq., MO 77% $24,548
Ironbound, NJ 41% $21,008
Prospect Park S., NY 9% $19,191

The weathiest urban neighborhood I found was;

Carnegie Hill, NY 86% $141,053

The wealthiest place period I found was;

Fisher Island, FL 77% $351,905

[emathias]

Originally Posted by liat91

Here is 2010 neighborhood data using exact boundaries and census block level data. It's per capita income and % white
...

I've always thought per-capita income was a poor measure of wealth because it get diluted by children so much in heavily family-oriented places. A single guy living alone earning $75k/year will make a place appear wealthier than a couple with a joint income of $200,000 year and two kids.

[MolsonExport]

In neighborhoods where the white preponderance is dropping, does this automatically imply slumification?

[10023]

People are trying way too hard to be politically correct in this thread.

If the data shows that an urban census tract, with a sizeable population (say 10,000 people) has gone from 20% white to 50% white in a decade, it's a pretty fair assumption that it's gentrifying.

[MolsonExport]

concomitant variation is but one of three conditions necessary for establishing causation. I am not even sure that this is achieved given effect sizes.

[10023]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

concomitant variation is but one of three conditions necessary for establishing causation. I am not even sure that this is achieved given effect sizes.

We're not even talking about a causal relationship here. And no one is saying that an increasing proportion of whites is a foolproof indicator that gentrification is occuring.

I'm just saying, and the author of the original article is saying, that an increase in whites and gentrification are coincidental more often than not, and thus one provides a useful (though inexact) proxy for the other.

In other words, I think the following statement (if the first part is true) is fair: "There was a big increase in white residents in that area, so it's probably gentrifying."

[emathias]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

In neighborhoods where the white preponderance is dropping, does this automatically imply slumification?

Yes, everyone knows that there are only two kinds of neighborhoods: where white people live, and slums.

[MolsonExport]

Indeed. The shittiest parts of my city are almost 100% white trash.

[liat91]

Originally Posted by emathias

I've always thought per-capita income was a poor measure of wealth because it get diluted by children so much in heavily family-oriented places. A single guy living alone earning $75k/year will make a place appear wealthier than a couple with a joint income of $200,000 year and two kids.

That's essentially true if the population is low, not an issue with the places I have reported. Per capita income also includes all income sources, including interest/gains income. I believe it to be a more reliable source to measure wealth as long as the population of a place is > 1000 people. So if you have
a place with 1000 people and the total income for the place is $190,000,000 and there are 400 households, with 300 households making $150,000/yr and 100 households making $1,450,000

Median Household Income: $150,000

Per Capita Income: $190,000

Second location has the same total income but, 250 households make $75,000/yr and 150 households make $1,142,000/yr. The following results.

Median Household Income: $75,000

Per Capita Income: $190,000

Which number better represents the wealth of both of these places?

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by emathias

Yes, everyone knows that there are only two kinds of neighborhoods: where white people live, and slums.

I know you're joking, but I would hope no one here actually believes that.

[NY Jew]

Originally Posted by liat91

Here is 2010 neighborhood data using exact boundaries and census block level data. It's per capita income and % white. I will try and focus on gentrified hoods as much as I can;

Lincoln Park, IL 83% $84,529
Adams Morgan, DC 68% $70,753
Rockridge, CA 73% $69,721
Chelsea, NY 65% $68,081
Clinton, NY 57% $66,574
Potrero Hill, CA 56% $64,452
Federal Hill, MD 86% $63,500
Lakeview, IL 80% $63,140
Virginia Highland, GA 83% $61,899
Melrose Dist., CA 77% $60,969
Stanton Park, DC 67% $59,344
Park Slope, NY 70% $59,151
Manhattan Bch, NY 95% $58,712 (the whitest urban neighborhood I came across)
Roscoe Village, IL 80% $58,675
Queen Village, PA 70% $58,644
Charlestown, MA 76% $58,423
Brickell, FL 32% $58,179
Capitol Hill, DC 53% $56,870
Montrose, TX 70% $56,594
Carroll Gardens, NY 81% $54,335
Inman Park, GA 81% $53,895
Washington Sq., PA 72% $53,237
Ctry Club Plaza, MO 82% $52,061
E. Sacramento, CA 78% $51,726
German Village, OH 89% $51,098
M Streets, TX 75% $50,937
Los Feliz, CA 64% $50,926
Poncey Hlnds, GA 79% $49,563
Shady Side, PA 69% $49,160
Leschi, WA 52% $48,221
East Village, NY 50% $47,904
Morningside Hts., NY 46% $47,730
Wicker Park, IL 69% $47,242
Venice Beach, CA 67% $46,877
Hillcrest, CA 74% $46,567
South Boston, MA 78% $46,175
Irvington, OR 84% $44,922
South Beach, FL 46% $44,304
Prospect Heights, NY 46% $44,111
Manayunk, PA 91% $42,679
Alamo Square, CA 56% $41,462
South End, MA 40% $39,690
Mt. Airy, PA 31% $38,991
Dimond District, CA 41% $37,932
N. Hollywood, CA 43% $37,435
Fairmount, PA 77% $37,220
Columbia Hts., DC 28% $35,097
Petworth, DC 11% $34,061
Silver Lake, CA 35% $33,875
Pennsport, PA 59% $33,662
Kirkwood, GA 44% $31,065
Lower East Side, NY 27% $29,692
Allegheny West, PA 75% $29,662
Sugar House, UT 86% $29,556
Hyde Park, MA 29% $29,410
Mt. Washington, PA 79% $28,096
Ditmars-Steinway, NY 64% $25,456
Bridgeport, IL 38% $25,135
Bloomfield, PA 79% $24,714
Lafayette Sq., MO 77% $24,548
Ironbound, NJ 41% $21,008
Prospect Park S., NY 9% $19,191

The weathiest urban neighborhood I found was;

Carnegie Hill, NY 86% $141,053

The wealthiest place period I found was;

Fisher Island, FL 77% $351,905

Manhattan Beach is anything but genterfied it's a majority Russian Jewish neighborhood.