Originally Posted by Doady
Besides, the topic of this thread is not about "being stuck in traffic while sitting (or standing, more likely) on a bus", this thread is about bus rapid transit, which ya know, doesn't involve being stuck in traffic (same with modern light rail)...
That is not really true at all.
His comment was that unless a route is fully grade separated and does not have to stop for anything other than the station stops, it is not rapid transit.
This could be subway, lrt, or bus.
And you and everyone else know that many systems today call themselves rapid transit, even though they still get stuck in traffic, stop at stop lights, etc.
For example: When I went to visit a friend in NYC, we took a ride on the Newark Light Rail. The old section of the line is fully grade separated, and does not stop at cross streets that the line passes (this is achieved through full grade separation, or a signal which stops cross traffic while the train goes through).
The newer extension to Grove Street is also gade separated not operating on streets. But it does not have full signal priority at cross streets which the line passes through. The result, we wasted minutes stopping at red signals, while the train waited for cross to pass, before the train was allowed to proceed.
That is not rapid transit, if you are sitting waiting for traffic at cross streets.
Same with BRT. A lot of systems are calling their routes BRT, when in fact they operate in mixed traffic, stop at stop lights, etc. The truth is a lot of these routes are just limited stop bus routes.
There are really very few true bus rapid transit lines in North America. The ones that come to mind are the Ottawa Transitway, Winnipeg Rapid Transit route, LA Orange Line (sort of, as I heard they don't have full signal priorty), and the Pittsburgh T busways.
This is bus rapid transit
Not this, even though it is called BRT. It really is just a fancy express bus, and will still be that even when the bus lanes are built, as the buses will still have to stop at stop lights.