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Western Europeans Have More Cars Per Person Than Americans

Western Europeans Have More Cars Per Person Than Americans


Aug 14 2012

By Max Fisher

Read More: http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...ricans/261108/

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The U.S. is ranked 25th in world by number of passenger cars per person, just above Ireland and just below Bahrain. There are 439 cars here for every thousand Americans, meaning a little more than two people for every car. That number is higher in nearly all of Western Europe -- the U.K., Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Belgium, etc. -- as well as in Japan, Australia, and New Zealand. It's higher in crisis-wracked Iceland and Greece. Italians and New Zealanders have nearly 50 percent more cars per capita than does the U.S. The highest rate in the world is casino-riddled Mediterranean city-state Monaco, with 771 cars per thousand citizens.

- Americans are buying fewer cars -- is it possible that this is another sign of a declining American middle class? Even if Americans are on average richer than Europeans, after all, U.S. income inequality is also much higher. According to the Carnegie paper, about 9.6 of Americans' cars are luxury cars, an unusually high number; but it unhelpfully defines "luxury" as "Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Lexus" (no Cadillacs?), which may help to explain why Germany's "luxury car" rate is 26.6 percent. Still, it's also possible that the answer has less to do with Americans adhering to Carnegie's thesis about car ownership predicting middle class size and more to do with other, particularly American factors. Young Americans are spending less of their money on cars, as Jordan Weissmann explained, as they get driver's licences at lower rates and spend more of their money on, say, high-tech smart phones.

- Amazingly, Americans still manage to suck up far, far more energy per person than do the people in those Western European nations with so many more cars per capita. Our oil usage per capita is about twice what it is in Western Europe, and here's our overall energy usage. Whatever the reason for America's comparatively low car ownership rate, it may be time to update our stereotypes. The most car-obsessed place in the world isn't the nation of Detroit and Ford and Cadillac. It's Western Europe, the land of Peugeot and Smart Cars and Ferrari, where cars are most common.

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Old Posted: Aug 17, 2012, 5:39 PM
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Lots of interesting issues here. A few comments:

First, a lot of what passes for a car in Spain and Italy (and Paris) would be closer to a "golf cart" in the US. And it's true that Mercedes in Germany are stripped down and not consistent with US branding.

One troubling aspect is the smart-aleck tone. So now we are questioning the American economic system because we don't have enough cars? I know that there are groups that can't wait to criticize Americans, but this seems a bit much. How about an article with the tone "Americans moving to fewer cars and more transit"?

Tacitly, this article assumes (acknowledges?) that fewer cars and more transit is a sign of an economy with poorer people. This is something rarely admitted when talking about Europe, where, in effect, people are disproportionately lower middle-class, based on expendable income. Without getting into causes, as the US becomes more like Europe, you would expect a general decline in the upper middle-class and their adoption of the more limited economic world-view and spending habits of those without money (fewer cars, vacation homes, motorcylces, boats, etc.).

What is really going on is that top doctors, dentists, small business owners, athletes, lawyers, corporate execs and entertainers (the 1 million "1 percenter" families in the US) are doing OK and much of the rest of the middle class is being converted into lower-middle class. Blame taxes, regulations, out-sourcing, corporate restructuring, welfare, minimum wages or whatever; they're just different words for the same set of policies).
I would guess that there will be some resistance to this, but that eventually the US will accept the same slower growth that Europe has grown to accept.

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European models don't even have cup holders, do they? I know holding ANYTHING in your hand is pretty much illegal while driving. I wonder what other amenities they lack but are quite common in US models...
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Lots of interesting issues here. A few comments:

First, a lot of what passes for a car in Spain and Italy (and Paris) would be closer to a "golf cart" in the US. And it's true that Mercedes in Germany are stripped down and not consistent with US branding.

One troubling aspect is the smart-aleck tone. So now we are questioning the American economic system because we don't have enough cars? I know that there are groups that can't wait to criticize Americans, but this seems a bit much. How about an article with the tone "Americans moving to fewer cars and more transit"?

Tacitly, this article assumes (acknowledges?) that fewer cars and more transit is a sign of an economy with poorer people. This is something rarely admitted when talking about Europe, where, in effect, people are disproportionately lower middle-class, based on expendable income. Without getting into causes, as the US becomes more like Europe, you would expect a general decline in the upper middle-class and their adoption of the more limited economic world-view and spending habits of those without money (fewer cars, vacation homes, motorcylces, boats, etc.).

What is really going on is that top doctors, dentists, small business owners, athletes, lawyers, corporate execs and entertainers (the 1 million "1 percenter" families in the US) are doing OK and much of the rest of the middle class is being converted into lower-middle class. Blame taxes, regulations, out-sourcing, corporate restructuring, welfare, minimum wages or whatever; they're just different words for the same set of policies).
I would guess that there will be some resistance to this, but that eventually the US will accept the same slower growth that Europe has grown to accept.

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It's actually much simpler than all of this. The two best selling vehicles in the U.S. (The Ford F-150 and the Chevrolet Silverado), as well as many others, are excluded from this number because they are light trucks. This pops up every few years when a lazy journalist wants to make a point (the point changes) and uses the World Bank figures on cars without realizing that the most popular vehicles in the U.S. aren't counted because they don't qualify as "cars."

The per capita vehicle ownership rate in the U.S. is, as it has been for decades, still much higher than any large European country.
     
     
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It's actually much simpler than all of this. The two best selling vehicles in the U.S. (The Ford F-150 and the Chevrolet Silverado), as well as many others, are excluded from this number because they are light trucks.
Ok, this makes sense. The article, intuitively, didn't seem accurate.

Europe does have a high car ownership rate, but higher than the U.S.? That sounds really odd.
     
     
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So that's just odd, according to the World Bank, the thing I use to drive to work every day is not a car just because it also has a bed?

Makes me seem so...sustainable!
     
     
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are there more children per capita in the US?
I was going to ask the same question as well. If they just divided the total population by the number of cars this article is flawed.
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I don't believe that. And neither do the stats I'm finding. Here are the first two I clicked on. They both have the US as the worst overall: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/tr...motor-vehicles
http://drivesteady.com/cars-per-capita

The Atlantic has a terrible record with accuracy. Probably apples-to-oranges in this case. Maybe the US figures don't include SUVs etc. I'd guess commercial vehicles aren't included either. Thinking about this stuff and confirming things seems to beyond most publications.
     
     
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Lots of interesting issues here. A few comments:

First, a lot of what passes for a car in Spain and Italy (and Paris) would be closer to a "golf cart" in the US. And it's true that Mercedes in Germany are stripped down and not consistent with US branding.

One troubling aspect is the smart-aleck tone. So now we are questioning the American economic system because we don't have enough cars? I know that there are groups that can't wait to criticize Americans, but this seems a bit much. How about an article with the tone "Americans moving to fewer cars and more transit"?

Tacitly, this article assumes (acknowledges?) that fewer cars and more transit is a sign of an economy with poorer people. This is something rarely admitted when talking about Europe, where, in effect, people are disproportionately lower middle-class, based on expendable income. Without getting into causes, as the US becomes more like Europe, you would expect a general decline in the upper middle-class and their adoption of the more limited economic world-view and spending habits of those without money (fewer cars, vacation homes, motorcylces, boats, etc.).

What is really going on is that top doctors, dentists, small business owners, athletes, lawyers, corporate execs and entertainers (the 1 million "1 percenter" families in the US) are doing OK and much of the rest of the middle class is being converted into lower-middle class. Blame taxes, regulations, out-sourcing, corporate restructuring, welfare, minimum wages or whatever; they're just different words for the same set of policies).
I would guess that there will be some resistance to this, but that eventually the US will accept the same slower growth that Europe has grown to accept.

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I know this is a major right-wing talking point, but is it true? Is "Europe" much poorer than America? Is "Europe" doing much worse? One problem with this narrative that jumps out at me is lumping Europe together as if it is one unit. Right wing Americans and left wing Europeans both like to do this, for obviously different reasons. But while Italy, Spain, Greece, Ireland, are doing very badly, Germany for instance is doing quite well. So which Europe is Europe? Do you look at the average for the Eurozone or the EU? If so, why? Why not look at Germany as Germany, and Spain as Spain? Kind of how we don't lump Mexico and the US together, even though they are both part of a continent-wide free trade zone.

But separating Germany (or Holland, or Scandinavia) from Southern Europe complicates things for American conservatives. Northern Europe has not been doing measurably worse than the US over the last 10 or 20 years. And Northern Europe is arguably even more socialist than Southern Europe. So the socialist = stagnation & irrelevance meme breaks down.

Even the problems that Southern Europe is having now, have very little to do with socialism, and a lot to do with flaws inherent in the Euro, independent of left-wing or right-wing national governments.
     
     
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It's actually much simpler than all of this. The two best selling vehicles in the U.S. (The Ford F-150 and the Chevrolet Silverado), as well as many others, are excluded from this number because they are light trucks. This pops up every few years when a lazy journalist wants to make a point (the point changes) and uses the World Bank figures on cars without realizing that the most popular vehicles in the U.S. aren't counted because they don't qualify as "cars."

The per capita vehicle ownership rate in the U.S. is, as it has been for decades, still much higher than any large European country.
well then the original article is total horseshit. Here too where I live (Southwestern Ontario), practically EVERY second car is a light truck. I am a minority on my block as I (1) have only one car, and (2) that car is not a truck.

Anecdotally, from my many visits to Western Europe, the article makes no sense.

The sheer number of garbage articles posted on SSP staggers the mind.
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Northern Europe has not been doing measurably worse than the US over the last 10 or 20 years. And Northern Europe is arguably even more socialist than Southern Europe. So the socialist = stagnation & irrelevance meme breaks down.
I certainly don't believe that "socialist=bad" meme, but Northern Europe has had signficantly slower growth than the U.S. during the same time period.

Obviously it varies by country, but it's pretty hard to argue that growth rates don't trail those of the U.S. Even right now, there's plenty of press about German economic strength, when Germany's relative performance badly trails that of the U.S. since the global recession began in '08.
     
     
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European models don't even have cup holders, do they? I know holding ANYTHING in your hand is pretty much illegal while driving. I wonder what other amenities they lack but are quite common in US models...
Umm, they do have cup holders. Watch videos from CarBuyer on Youtube if you don't believe me.
     
     
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It should be obvious to almost anyone that light trucks and SUVs aren't counted as cars in this statistic. The US has over 800 non-commercial vehicles per 1000 people, and is probably the only sizable country in the world with more motor vehicles than licensed drivers.
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It's actually much simpler than all of this. The two best selling vehicles in the U.S. (The Ford F-150 and the Chevrolet Silverado), as well as many others, are excluded from this number because they are light trucks. This pops up every few years when a lazy journalist wants to make a point (the point changes) and uses the World Bank figures on cars without realizing that the most popular vehicles in the U.S. aren't counted because they don't qualify as "cars."

The per capita vehicle ownership rate in the U.S. is, as it has been for decades, still much higher than any large European country.
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I don't believe that. And neither do the stats I'm finding. Here are the first two I clicked on. They both have the US as the worst overall: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/tr...motor-vehicles
http://drivesteady.com/cars-per-capita

The Atlantic has a terrible record with accuracy. Probably apples-to-oranges in this case. Maybe the US figures don't include SUVs etc. I'd guess commercial vehicles aren't included either. Thinking about this stuff and confirming things seems to beyond most publications.
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well then the original article is total horseshit. Here too where I live (Southwestern Ontario), practically EVERY second car is a light truck. I am a minority on my block as I (1) have only one car, and (2) that car is not a truck.

Anecdotally, from my many visits to Western Europe, the article makes no sense.

The sheer number of garbage articles posted on SSP staggers the mind.
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It should be obvious to almost anyone that light trucks and SUVs aren't counted as cars in this statistic. The US has over 800 non-commercial vehicles per 1000 people, and is probably the only sizable country in the world with more motor vehicles than licensed drivers.
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