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As another has sort of hinted at, the jagged hodgepodge assemblage here does scream opportunity for an unusual cantalevered design. What I'm seeing is a perfect location for a supertall that starts at its' base rectilinear and morphs and tapers into a MAD style eliptical shaft. That would look incredible. But if Vinoly is chosen, you can just forget about any of that.
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This sounds potentially amazing!!!

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Macklowe's Midtown tower would be among the city's tallest

JOE ANUTA
January 19, 2019


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Developer Harry Macklowe is planning an audacious Midtown office tower to cap a long career of high-wire dealmaking and development.

The 82-year-old will submit his plans for the 1,500-plus-foot spire across the street from St. Patrick's Cathedral to the city next week, kicking off a public review process for a development likely to cost more than $1 billion. It will be built by transferring hundreds of thousands of square feet of development rights costing tens of millions of dollars from the church.

The tower, which would rise midblock between East 51st and East 52nd streets, features unusual elements, including a tapered, stiltlike midsection that will prop up the height of the floors above. The highest floors will feature a multilevel observatory. According to several people who have seen Macklowe's proposal, he has envisioned a clear, plastic or glass-enclosed slide that would protrude from the building's exterior, giving riders the vertiginous sensation of soaring high above the city.

The building's mass-damper—a large, water-filled mechanism to reduce sway in supertall towers—would be on display with an accompanying seismograph that charts the energy of the movement it muffles.


For years Macklowe has been quietly purchasing low-rise properties to assemble the site on which the tower would rise. As Crain's reported this week, Macklowe Properties recently locked down the third acquisition out of the five reportedly being targeting for the structure's footprint, though the company may have more in contract.

Macklowe has been telling stakeholders that project would cantilever over the landmarked John Pierce residence on East 51st Street, include an observation deck near the top and feature a public space near the base, though his plans could change as the process moves forward.


To build the more than 1 million-square-foot building, Macklowe needs to secure hundreds of thousands of square feet of air rights. Several sources familiar with his plans said he will acquire a large tranche from St. Patrick's Cathedral, which owns more than 1 million square feet of unused development rights. To make the transfer, Macklowe must go through the city's uniform land-use review procedure, a process that requires public review and approval from the City Council.

The tower would be even larger than Macklowe's last project, a nearly 1,400-foot luxury condo building at 432 Park Ave., about five blocks away. The building's apartments fetched some of the highest prices ever for city residences.

While the tower's height seems certain to trigger backlash from some development watchdogs, at least one appeared amenable to the design - a potentially encouraging initial sign for a project that must pass through a public review. An executive at the Municipal Art Society, which is based in the Look Building directly next door to the planned skyscraper, said that the construction of such spires were exactly what the 2017 rezoning of East Midtown was meant to spur.

"MAS is not anti-development and not against tall buildings," said Tara Kelly, a vice president at the organization, who said Macklowe plans to give the group a more detailed presentation on the planned tower next week. "At first blush, this tower makes sense."

It wasn't immediately clear if Macklowe will secure any air rights for the building through a district-wide pool that was created by the rezoning and that would require he contribute money into a fund for neighborhood public realm improvements.
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Wow!

Sounds like they want it as tall as possible partly to try to profit off an observatory, with the height, the slide attraction and the on-display damper to make it stand out and attract the necessary visitors. It will be very interesting to see the design, at 1500+ feet and with the cantilever and narrow midsection.
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Nice. Hopefully this goes well over 1,500 ft. and includes a distinctive pinnacle (doesn't have to be a spire, but something pushing towards 2,000 ft).

Midtown skyline within 10 years is gonna be ridiculous. There will likely be a number of 1,500 ft.+ towers and hopefully a few approaching 2,000.
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Wow!

I guessed the height of the tower. 1,500 ft.
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This sounds like a skyscraper nerds dream...

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The tower, which would rise midblock between East 51st and East 52nd streets, features unusual elements, including a tapered, stiltlike midsection that will prop up the height of the floors above. The highest floors will feature a multilevel observatory.

According to several people who have seen Macklowe's proposal, he has envisioned a clear, plastic or glass-enclosed slide that would protrude from the building's exterior, giving riders the vertiginous sensation of soaring high above the city.

The building's mass-damper—a large, water-filled mechanism to reduce sway in supertall towers—would be on display with an accompanying seismograph that charts the energy of the movement it muffles.
That slide would be thrilling and amazing.

But the most amazing thing about that article is this quote...

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While the tower's height seems certain to trigger backlash from some development watchdogs, at least one appeared amenable to the design - a potentially encouraging initial sign for a project that must pass through a public review. An executive at the Municipal Art Society, which is based in the Look Building directly next door to the planned skyscraper, said that the construction of such spires were exactly what the 2017 rezoning of East Midtown was meant to spur.

"MAS is not anti-development and not against tall buildings," said Tara Kelly, a vice president at the organization, who said Macklowe plans to give the group a more detailed presentation on the planned tower next week. "At first blush, this tower makes sense."


Never thought I would read that.
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I had to do a double take and slap myself to make sure I was reading this great news correctly (believing it), and not tripping mentally.

Fantastic news. I guess the height of the mass model was indeed on the right track!





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The tower would be even larger than Macklowe's last project, a nearly 1,400-foot luxury condo building at 432 Park Ave., about five blocks away. The building's apartments fetched some of the highest prices ever for city residences.


Macklowe is a boss!!!
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"The tower, which would rise midblock between East 51st and East 52nd streets..." Will there an objection from the planning committees and a reduction in height because it was mid-block? I recall that one of the objections for the height of the Tower Verre was that it was mid-block. When the Tower Verre was going through the city approval process, I wrote the city alderman to support the original 1250 tower and he replied that he did not support it because it was mid-block.
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Yes, yes and yes please! And the mass damper as feature is some serious icing. The only other tower I can think of with a tuned mass damper on display is Taipei 101, surely there are others.....
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Macklowe is a boss!!!
God bless Macklowe, and shame on his ex-wife for giving him so much grief. She could have ruined this for us all...



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"The tower, which would rise midblock between East 51st and East 52nd streets..." Will there an objection from the planning committees and a reduction in height because it was mid-block? I recall that one of the objections for the height of the Tower Verre was that it was mid-block. When the Tower Verre was going through the city approval process, I wrote the city alderman to support the original 1250 tower and he replied that he did not support it because it was mid-block.
That was more nonsense, and Burden's gone. The City's been pushing for more office space, and one of the most vocal opponents against these tall towers already seems in favor of it. I'm not sure what ULURP this needs to go through. There are no height limits there, so if it's just for the transfer of development rights, (and also the cantilver) that's not really a full ULURP approval. There most be some element of the design that falls outside of standard zoning, much like Tower Verre's unique design did. For example, they could need a special permit to overide setback requirements.



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Yes, yes and yes please! And the mass damper as feature is some serious icing. The only other tower I can think of with a tuned mass damper on display is Taipei 101, surely there are others.....
Teaching as it thrills. Imagine how insane this would have been if the 666 5th Ave development had gone through...


Back to the cantilver, it's as some of us have speculated...


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Macklowe has been telling stakeholders that project would cantilever over the landmarked John Pierce residence on East 51st Street

I've highlighted the cantilver area in blue...


















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Teaching as it thrills. Imagine how insane this would have been if the 666 5th Ave development had gone through...
That would of been nice. That property was recently refinanced, I believe by Brookfield. Renovation could be in store for the existing property, but I'm hoping it'll wait until next cycle, and maybe go the way of 270 Park.
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The Empire State Building May Soon Have Another Rival on the Skyline

By Charles V. Bagli
Jan. 18, 2019


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For decades, the New York City skyline was dominated by one building, the 1,250-foot-tall Empire State Building. But 17 “supertall” skyscrapers — defined as over 984 feet in height by the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat — have been started or completed since the Great Recession, completely remaking the city’s traditional silhouette.

If the developer Harry B. Macklowe has his way, an 18th will soon join them.
On Friday, Mr. Macklowe submitted a preliminary application to the Department of City Planning outlining his intention to build a new super tower, east of Fifth Avenue between 51st and 52nd streets, overlooking St. Patrick’s Cathedral.

If approved at 1,551 feet tall, his skyscraper, known as Tower Fifth, would rank as the second-tallest building not only in New York, but in the Western Hemisphere.
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In the heady world of competitive building, Tower Fifth would hover 216 feet above the roofline of One World Trade Center — which would remain the city’s tallest building because a mast brings its official height to 1,776 feet — and reach a scant 12 inches above Central Park Tower, the skyscraper nearing completion on Billionaires’ Row.

“It’s a chance to change the skyline,” Mr. Macklowe said at his office in the General Motors Building (a mere 705 feet tall).

But the proposed tower, likely a swan song for the 81-year-old Mr. Macklowe, would have to clear significant hurdles before reshaping the city.
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The project could impinge on five landmark buildings — the Look Building, two townhouses, Rockefeller Center and St. Patrick’s Cathedral — so it will require approval by the Landmarks Preservation Commission.

And it will need to survive a lengthy and grueling city review. Mr. Macklowe is asking for special permits, zoning changes and approvals to build a tower in East Midtown that is 66 percent bigger than would be allowed under the current zoning.

The tower would be Mr. Macklowe’s second crack at shaping the city’s skyline. Already, his slender, white monolith at 432 Park Avenue is visible from New Jersey, Westchester County, and Long Island as it rises to its full height of 1,397 feet at 57th Street. For the time being, it is the tallest residential tower in the Western Hemisphere.
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Advances in engineering and technology, new zoning, developer ego and the potential for fantastic profits have propelled new towers ever higher. The only city in the world where the march of supertall towers has moved more swiftly than New York is Dubai, where 29 supertalls have been erected since 2008, according to the Council on Tall Buildings.

Residents and corporate tenants alike will pay a premium for top floors, especially if they provide unobstructed views of a city jewel like Central Park.

“There’s no limit to how much people will pay to get close to heaven,” said Mitchell Moss, a professor of urban planning at New York University.

At Mr. Macklowe’s 432 Park tower, the project’s all-in costs were estimated at about $1.3 billion, while the sale of all the units in the building could reap more than $3 billion, leaving a gross profit of $1.7 billion.
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Mr. Macklowe believes that Tower Fifth will surpass what he used to regard as his crowning achievement, 432 Park Avenue, a supertall tower completed in 2015, that helped solidify the transformation of New York into a real estate-driven city that, like London or Hong Kong, has become a pricey pied-à-terre for the super wealthy.

Tower Fifth is an even more challenging project.

The proposed building will require billions of dollars to build and includes an expensive and energy-efficient facade rarely seen in the United States, a public concourse, plush tenant amenities — a lap pool, yoga room and multilevel running track — and the city’s tallest observatory, where visitors would be able to dive down a transparent, 60-foot corkscrew slide.

Despite its reputation, New York has always had a schizophrenic attitude toward skyscrapers, inserting height restrictions and setbacks into the zoning code even as buildings climbed in height. But Mayor Bill de Blasio’s administration seems to have tossed out the height inhibitions of even pro-development mayors like Michael R. Bloomberg and Edward I. Koch, in part because Mr. de Blasio is willing to trade additional floors for social benefits, such as affordable housing or subway improvements.
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In the hope of gaining city approval, Mr. Macklowe and his team — Dan Shannon of Moed de Armas & Shannon Architects and Gensler, a second architecture firm — shoehorned their tower onto the site in an attempt to mitigate its impact on the surroundings. They have also held preliminary meetings with the city’s Planning Department, the Landmarks Preservation Commission and with members of the local community board with the hope of quelling potential opposition.

An 85-foot-high glass lobby would stretch from 52nd Street to 51st Street, where the entrance would dramatically frame the side-street doors to St. Patrick’s. Escalators would lead to the lower levels, restaurants, shops and elevators for the observatory.

A glass-walled public auditorium would sit above the lobby and look onto the top of St. Patrick’s.
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The office tower itself, however, would step back from St. Patrick’s, rising on 52nd Street atop two stems or stilts, near 400 feet above the sidewalks. The 96-story tower is designed as a sleek shaft until it reaches the top, where a two-level slab juts out from the northern and southern sides of the building, before the tower resumes its ascent.

The proposed building would cantilever about 100 feet over the Look Building and 300 feet above an adjoining landmark, the John Peirce house, which will almost certainly spark criticism from preservationists.

Mr. Macklowe will have to cut a pricey deal with the owners of the Look Building and Peirce house for the cantilever and purchase roughly 580,000 square feet of unused development rights to get to the building’s full height. Much of that will probably come from St. Patrick’s Cathedral.
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Mr. Macklowe boasted that his observatory would be the highest of the six existing or planned observatories in the city.

Daniel Garodnick, a former city councilman who played a key role in the city’s rezoning of East Midtown for taller towers, was taken aback by Mr. Macklowe’s plan.

“This project goes way beyond what is allowed to be built,” Mr. Garodnick said, “and it needs to be carefully scrutinized in a detailed public review.”


Mr. Macklowe was undaunted. He contended that his project “validates the wisdom” of the city’s rezoning.

“Tall buildings are a reality,” he said. “The days of restrictions on buildings are really over. This is a building that’s never been built before, a 21st-century building.”
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That would of been nice. That property was recently refinanced, I believe by Brookfield. Renovation could be in store for the existing property, but I'm hoping it'll wait until next cycle, and maybe go the way of 270 Park.
For 666, my guess is that Brookfield will do something akin to 425 Park. It will technically be a renovation but they'll take it down to the steel and build a new tower on the bones of the old tower.

666 has low ceilings and weird layouts. A replacement tower is almost certainly coming.
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Resized that skyline image...time for Chase to get their tower in this rendering.






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Well that's uhh interesting...

But awesome nonetheless!

Hopefully Barnett and JPMorgan can push their buildings a bit higher too
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