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Anyone own this book? I would die to get a copy.
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Images of the KWC are so hard to come by. When I find them, I try to post them here.
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I realize this thread is a bit old, but I've enjoyed it immensely today. The pictures in here are great - I found this thread (and the forum generally) searching on the Walled City, and this thread has pictures I've not found elsewhere.

My contribution is this YouTube video I found this morning:

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=OSnvqBhWUOc

It's 9 minutes and 6 seconds long, a home video apparently taken by a guy wandering around with his camera just hanging around his neck or on his bag, so pretty shaky. It goes around the outside of the building quite a bit, and then at around 6 minutes in, he goes inside and cuts through a passageway, you can see just how dark it is in there, and some lit rooms off to the sides as he passes by, also stairs.

The clip was taken March 10, 1990.

Also I'm sure the rest of you have seen by now also, but the book "City of Darkness" is now back in print, I just ordered a copy from Amazon yesterday. It's been translated into Japanese too (I've gotten some other books from amazon.jp).

Also, if anyone here reads Japanese, there is a wonderful set of pages about the Walled City at http://www4.ocn.ne.jp/~keropero/kyuryu00.html It has quite a few pictures not up anywhere else.

A Japanese journalist named Yoshida Ichirou (吉田一郎) who lived there (he edited a publication 「香港通信」 as well as writing for other Japanese magazines etc) writes about the place and of attending meetings at the very end, of residents who were protesting their eviction. The picture on the front page is the steps to his building (!!).
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Wow, this thread is still going? Brings back memories. Thanks ME.
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This one kind of sums it up best. Chungking Mansion is probably the closest any of us will get to the Walled City experience. Of course, Chungking is likely far more sanitized than anywhere in the Walled City. Based on my experience in Chungking Mansion, I estimate the cockroach population of the Walled City to have been somewhere in the trillions.
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Crazy stuff. Who built it? How was it built? Honestly, the place kind of has a mysterious quality about it, sort of like the pyramids.
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This one kind of sums it up best. Chungking Mansion is probably the closest any of us will get to the Walled City experience. Of course, Chungking is likely far more sanitized than anywhere in the Walled City. Based on my experience in Chungking Mansion, I estimate the cockroach population of the Walled City to have been somewhere in the trillions.
Chunking mansion? sounds fascinating. Never heard of it, so I went and searched (wikipedia, naturalich!)



Chungking Mansions is a building located at 36-44 Nathan Road in Tsim Sha Tsui, Hong Kong. The building is well known as nearly the cheapest accommodation in Hong Kong with a single bed of US $8 one night. Though the building is supposedly residential, it is made up of many independent low-budget hotels, shops, and other services. The strange atmosphere of this building is sometimes called by some "the scent of Kowloon's Walled City".

Chungking Mansions features a labyrinth of guesthouses, curry restaurants, African bistros, clothing shops, sari stores, and foreign exchange offices. It often acts as a large gathering place for some of the ethnic minorities in Hong Kong, particularly Indians, Middle Eastern people, Nepalese, Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis, Nigerians, Europeans, Americans, Pakistanis, and many other peoples of the world.

The building was completed in 1961, at which time Chinese residents predominated. Now, after more than four decades of use, there are an estimated 4,000 people living in the Mansions.

Chungking Mansions is 17 stories tall and consists of 5 blocks, A, B, C, D, and E.

There are two elevators in each block, one of which serves even-numbered floors, the other one odd-numbered floors; there is often a queue for this lift.

The price of a flat in Chungking Mansions ranged from HK$1,000,000 to HK$2,000,000 as at August 2006.

While the Chungking Mansions are nominally intended for residential use, there is a large variety of commercial establishments in the building.

Chungking Mansions contains the largest number of guesthouses in Hong Kong in one building, with 1980 rooms in total. The rent ranges from HK$60 to HK$380 per day (as of 2006). Since it offers some of the cheapest rates in town, it has become a legendary haunt for backpackers and budget travellers.[1][2]


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Illuminated façade advertising arcadeThe mall was closed in 1998. In 2003, the first and second floors were acquired by a developer for approximately HK$200 million, and spent HK$50 million on renovations. Under the new building plan, the 50,000-square-foot second floor was divided into 360 small shops measuring 50 to 500 sq ft each and resold. The new "Chungking Express" mall was relaunched at the end of 2004.[3]

Many businesses deal are import/export businesses of parallel goods to Asian and African countries. There are many restaurants inside that attract visitors from all over the world. For example, some small and family-run Indian and Pakistani restaurants with traditional Indian curry and Nepalese food are very well-known and have lot of customers from Hong Kong. Due to competition between the very large number of restaurants inside the Mansions that are similar in style, many of them send staff to distribute leaflets on the streets to aggressively promote their restaurants.[4]

There are many money changers in the lower floors of the Chungking Mansions to provide exchange services, due to the high number of people living or doing business there are from all over the world.

Shops in the arcade sell not only traditional items from all over the world, but also trendy goods. Some of the shops found in the Mansions are different from those that are outside on the streets, selling articles which are imported from Asia and Africa. Computers, DVDs and VCDs, clothing, and some traditional snacks from foreign countries can be found inside Chungking Mansions.

The age of the building, the diverse ownership, and management structure are the cause of the building's reputation for being a fire trap. The insanitary conditions, security, ancient electrical wiring, block staircases contribute to the hazards.

On February 21, 1988, a fire broke out in the building. A Danish tourist who was trapped inside was killed. The fire in this building, as well as a blaze in a similar building provoked a review of rules and regulations concerning public safety.[5]

CUHK anthropologist Prof. Gordon Mathews revealed that there are people from at least 120 different nationalities who have passed through Chungking Mansions in the past year.

With this lively mix of guest workers, mainlanders, local Chinese, tourists and backpackers, the Chungking neighbourhood is one of the most culturally diverse locations in Hong Kong. Chungking Mansions was elected as the "Best Example of Globalization in Action" by TIME Magazine in its annual feature The Best of Asia,[6] although racial tensions are known to boil over occasionally.[7]

It is also known to be a centre of drugs, and a refuge for petty criminals, scammers,[8] and illegal immigrants. For example, in a Police swoop in June 1995, about 1,750 people were questioned, 45 men and seven women from various Asian and African countries were arrested on suspicion of offences including failing to produce proof of identity, overstaying, using forged travel documents, possessing equipment for forging documents, and possessing dangerous drugs.[9] In "Operation Sahara" in 1996, 52 men and seven women from 14 countries were arrested for violating immigration regulations.[10]

A murder took place there.[11] It was later revealed that Sushila Pandey, a 37-year-old Indian tourist was killed in a domestic dispute with her Sri Lankan partner Attanayake Wasala Dangamuwa, 54.[12]


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That's clearly the Mirador Mansions, and not the Chungking Mansions. Look at the sign!

I have stayed in the Chungking Mansions a couple of times. It's not that bad.
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/\ Mirador and Chungking are more or less the same. And the quality of guesthouses in Chungking vary wildly. There are some clean, comfortable ones, and there are some appalling, cockroach infested ones. The first one I ever stayed at was unfortunately the latter. The guests were me and a dozen African migrant workers. Anyway, C.K. is definitely the place to stay if you want the classic budget travel Hong Kong experience. And the location is the best in all of HK, bar none.
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^Your account of CKM is very interesting. Any other buildings/districts/places that are gritty like chunking mansions? or that are suggestive of the walled city of kowloon?
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By the way, I found this photo on my hard drive. I took it somewhere in Mong Kok. Not sure of the name of this building, but it's is one of those "so hideous they're awesome" buildings that you can only find in HK and in certain eastern European cities.

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This thread is awesome! Keep it up Molson!

Anyhow, this place absolutely fascinates me. I wish it still existed so it could be comprehensively studied. Its also a shame that mankind destroyed its only functional attempt at anarchy. We could have learned a lot about how a purely anarchic society might function and it could have added much to political debate. Heck, you could even look at this and say "see anarchy can work, but it does not lead to perfect living conditions" or you could say "see, this is what happens when there is anarchy". Either way, the destruction of this place and society seems like a huge waste of possible sociological knowlege on the same level of the losses of Three Gorges Dam or some similar dams in the middle east that sunk historical sites.
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^you hit the nail on the head. such is my fascination with the place.
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Ahhhh, The walled city of Kowloon, the thread that just won't die!!!

First post in this thread by Molson Ex: 09-24-2004, 09:08 PM

We bow down to you, WCK and worship your immortality!
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Awesome - keep em coming please.
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That video is nice. Looks to have been taken early this year or late last year, same time I was there last. Man, I miss Nathan Rd. Saskatoon sucks.
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