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Old Posted Jun 30, 2005, 11:15 PM
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Not much growth from annexation

There was not much growth coming from annexation. It was from people coming into the city that caused San Antonio to be the third fastest growing city in the nation, behind Phoenix and Los Angeles. People moving in from Montgomery, Omaha, St. Louis, Detroit, and Chicago. Census indicates that these cities are losing people instead of gaining.
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Stone Oak is abundant with Illinois and California licence plates. They're as commonplace as Texas licence plates.

I was watching Great Day SA and the owner of Trilogy Pizza & Wine Bistro was in the studio cooking up some pizza. His restaurant is located in Stone Oak and it makes New York style pizza, Chicago deep dish style pizza, and Californa style pizza. Hense the name Trilogy.

He said Stone Oak was like "Little Chicagoland" with all the people from Chicago moving there.

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Old Posted Jun 30, 2005, 11:59 PM
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That place is SOOOOO good! I would recommend it to anyone who loves a good wine with some awesome pizza! Its a tad pricey but I think well worth it!
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You don't need to annex people. All you need is to annex land and use open land that you have.
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But the own land isn't being filled with tons of people.

If anything, maybe in the past year and a half since the land of annexed, maybe 200 have moved into the residental developments going up currently.

Not to mention the original 400 or so people that were living on the annexed land, all mostly lived in one group location and are all being forced out of there because that is where the A&M University is being built.

Anyway, the question was, did SA annex any land since 2000 to help inflate the numbers. The answer is no.

Case closed.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2005, 1:28 AM
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Of all the land annexed in South Bexar county (City South) this is the largest and only neighborhood. The entire neighborhood is being forced to leave so the A&M University can be built. 410 is the freeway at the top.



Anything and everything else south of 410 in South Bexar County is farm land.


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Old Posted Jul 1, 2005, 1:35 AM
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Stone Oak is abundant with Illinois and California licence plates. They're as commonplace as Texas licence plates.

I was watching Great Day SA and the owner of Trilogy Pizza & Wine Bistro was in the studio cooking up some pizza. His restaurant is located in Stone Oak and it makes New York style pizza, Chicago deep dish style pizza, and Californa style pizza. Hense the name Trilogy.

He said Stone Oak was like "Little Chicagoland" with all the people from Chicago moving there.
At yet 3 times as many people moved into our metro in the 1990's as moved into your SA. LOLOLOL.....and that is still happening. And again...I wonder how many people are actually moving into SA verses being Annexed. And my facts of more people moving into Chicago land...actually moving into Chicagoland blows away your license plate survey.
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I'm just wondering what a big boy like you from the big ol' city is getting all worked up over little ol' San Antonio?

Inferiority complex much?
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You can't be that insecure with San Antonio can you? If so, why?
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Maybe its bc San Antonio is such a GREAT city, or maybe its bc the SPURS won the championship, or maybe its bc we have better mexican food or maybe its bc..........oh man the list can go on! LOL
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Off topic, but the Spurs just moved up near the top of the list of all-time NBA championship teams. Obviously far behind the Celtics, Lakers and Bulls, but pretty much ahead of almost everyone else.
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I'm just wondering what a big boy like you from the big ol' city is getting all worked up over little ol' San Antonio?

Inferiority complex much?
Actually not. Just trying to see what is actually occuring down in San Antonio. Love the city (which you always seem to forget...why do you forget...because your life is about arguing).

Chicago has its own problem...trying to figure that out too. The estimate says we are shrinking...but as you will note over in disussions...we are all in disbelief because of all the construction downtown and almost all the neighborhoods. So we are trying to figure out what is actually happening.

In the case of San Antonio....is that infill? That would be a fantastic thing to hear about. San Antonio is doing infill. But until we know...how much growth is attributed to people actually moving and building in the city verses simple annexation..that picture is muddy.

And how does 3 times as many people moving into Chicagoland....than the S.A. metro show my inferority. Be smarter boy with your quips...please.

Here is my inferority Complex...match this big boy:

recently completed:

Park Tower res./hotel 844 ft 824 ft 67 2000
111 South Wacker Drive office 681 ft ... .. 51 2005
Hyatt Center office 679 ft 678 ft 48 2005
UBS Tower office 651 ft ... .. 50 2001
55 East Erie residential 647 ft 645 ft 56 2004
River East Center I residential 644 ft ... .. 58 2001
Grand Plaza Tower I residential 641 ft 561 ft 57 2003
Millennium Centre residential 610 ft 596 ft 58 2003
Bank One Center office 580 ft ... .. 39 2003
The Fordham residential 574 ft 568 ft 52 2003
Park Millennium residential 544 ft ... .. 57 2002
The Pinnacle residential 535 ft ... .. 48 2004
191 North Wacker Drive office 516 ft ... .. 37 2002
One Superior Place residential 502 ft ... .. 52 1999
The Bristol residential 488 ft 465 ft 42 2000
The Sterling residential 466 ft ... .. 50 2001
400 North Lasalle residential 454 ft ... .. 45 2003
ABN AMRO Plaza I office 453 ft ... .. 29 2003
Riverbend residential 451 ft ... .. 38 2002
Skybridge residential 421 ft ... .. 39 2003
2 East Erie residential 415 ft ... .. 39 2002
River View II residential 399 ft ... .. 32 2004
The Pearson residential 395 ft ... .. 35 2003
Wells Street Tower residential 388 ft ... .. 34 2002
Forty-One East Eighth residential 387 ft ... .. 33 2003
Grand Plaza II residential ___ ft 378 ft 39 2003
1111 South Wabash residential 367 ft 365 ft 34 2004
Kinzie Park Tower residential 365 ft ... .. 34 2001
Chestnut Tower residential 360 ft ... .. 36 2000
Park Alexandria residential 347 ft ... .. 32 2003
Sofitel Chicago hotel 347 ft ... .. 33 2002
840 North LSD residential 329 ft 326 ft 27 2004
530 North LSD residential 328 ft ... .. 29 2003
The Lancaster residential 324 ft ... .. 30 2005
River View I residential 321 ft ... .. 27 2000
Courtyard by Marriott hotel 317 ft 278 ft 23 2003
The Caravel residential 309 ft 303 ft 29 2003
Kingsbury on the Park residential 301 ft 293 ft 25 2004
1122 North Dearborn residential 295 ft ... .. 27 1999
Erie on the Park residential 292 ft ... .. 24 2002
Museum Pointe residential 289 ft ... .. 26 2005
Dearborn Tower residential 286 ft ... .. 17 2001
The Grand on Grand residential 286 ft ... .. 28 2004
Embassy Suites Lakefront hotel 284 ft ... .. 19 2001
Jefferson Place residential 280 ft ... .. 28 2004
Museum Park Tower 1 residential 280 ft 262 ft 20 2002
550 West Jackson office 276 ft ... .. 18 2001
State Place residential 273 ft ... .. 24 2005
630 North State Parkway residential 272 ft ... .. 27 2001
The Bernardin residential 272 ft ... .. 27 2005
Admiral’s Pointe residential 271 ft ... .. 27 2002
Kinzie Station Tower residential 265 ft ... .. 25 2000
Erie Centre residential 264 ft ... .. 23 1999
Prairie District Tower residential 261 ft ... .. 23 2003
Dearborn Plaza office 261 ft ... .. 17 2000
Quaker Plaza office 260 ft ... .. 17 2002
Congress Center office 258 ft ... .. 17 2001
Peninsula Hotel hotel 254 ft ... .. 17 2001
Union Tower office 252 ft ... .. 18 1999
The Edge Lofts residential 249 ft ... .. 21 2004
Lurie Medical Building laboratory 248 ft ... .. 13 2005
One East 15th Place residential 246 ft ... .. 23 2001
550 West Washington office 244 ft ... .. 17 2000
Sixty West Erie residential 242 ft ... .. 22 2003
Museum Park Tower 2 residential 236 ft ... .. 21 2003
Art Institute Dormitory residential 231 ft ... .. 17 2000
Elm Tower residential 224 ft ... .. 16 2002
The Farallon residential 221 ft ... .. 22 2001
Two River Place residential 218 ft ... .. 17 2004
University Center of Chicago residential 215 ft ... .. 19 2004
Gallery 400 residential 212 ft ... .. 18 2000
Park Place residential 207 ft ... .. 18 2002
340 West Superior residential 205 ft ... .. 17 2002
Vue20 Condominiums residential 200 ft ... .. 19 2003
2120 North Lincoln Park West residential 199 ft ... .. 23 2001
The Belvedere residential 199 ft ... .. 16 2004
The Neapolitan residential 198 ft ... .. 18 2001
CTA Center office 191 ft ... .. 12 2004
One East 14th Place residential 188 ft ... .. 17 2000
The Lofts at Museum Park 1 residential 188 ft ... .. 15 2004
The Venetian residential 186 ft ... .. 15 2004
Huron Pointe residential 183 ft ... .. 15 2001
Lakeside on the Park residential 172 ft ... .. 14 2005
Prairie House residential 171 ft ... .. 14 2003
Renaissance Chicago Ohare hotel 171 ft ... .. 15 2003
Platinum Tower residential 167 ft ... .. 15 2002
Fairfield Inn & Suites hotel 166 ft ... .. 15 2001
The Contemporaine residential 164 ft ... .. 15 2004
Superior West residential 152 ft ... .. 12 2004
212 East residential 150 ft ... .. 13 2003
Parvenu residential 142 ft ... .. 12 2004
City View Tower residential 138 ft ... .. 13 2003

Hilton Garden Inn hotel ___ ft ... .. 24 1999
Homewood Suites Hotel hotel ___ ft ... .. 20 1999
520 North Michigan residential ___ ft ... .. 17 2000
21 West Chestnut residential ___ ft ... .. 17 1999
Buena Pointe residential ___ ft ... .. 12 2004






under construction:

Trump Tower Chicago res./hotel 1,362 ft 1,131 ft 92 2008
340 on the Park residential 672 ft 659 ft 64 2007
The Heritage - TO residential 631 ft ... .. 57 2005
1 South Dearborn - TO office 571 ft ... .. 40 2005
345 East Ohio residential 514 ft ... .. 50 2006
The Regatta residential 466 ft 457 ft 45 2006
The Shoreham - TO residential 450 ft ... .. 47 2005
Twelve55 South Michigan residential 425 ft 423 ft 40 2005
Museum Tower residential 409 ft 401 ft 38 2006
The Left Bank Apartments residential 366 ft ... .. 36 2006
Prentice Women’s Hospital hospital 316 ft 307 ft 18 2007
Michigan Ave. Tower - TO residential 314 ft 312 ft 29 2005
Water Tower Residence Hall residential 282 ft ... .. 26 2006
Prairie Pointe residential 271 ft ... .. 24 2006
Jefferson Tower residential 266 ft ... .. 24 2005
550 west Adams - TO office 262 ft ... .. 19 2005
River Place on the Park residential 262 ft ... .. 22 2006
The Lofts at Museum Park II residential 261 ft ... .. 21 2005
Museum Park Place residential 259 ft ... .. 23 2006
The Grand Orleans - TO residential 254 ft ... .. 21 2005
Lakeside Tower residential 239 ft ... .. 19 2006
Maple Tower - TO residential 234 ft ... .. 20 2005
Parc Chestnut residential 196 ft ... .. 15 2005
1819 South Michigan - TO residential 156 ft ... .. 12 2005
630 North Franklin - TO residential 148 ft ... .. 12 2005

30 West Oak residential ___ ft ... .. 22 2006
730 North Lasalle residential ___ ft ... .. 14 2006
1620 South Michigan residential ___ ft ... .. 12 2006


“TO” indicates that the building has been topped out
italics indicate that the building began construction in 2005






proposed:*

Waterview Tower res./hotel 1,041 ft 1,018 ft 89 2007
Mandarin Oriental International res./hotel 887 ft ... .. 90 2008
29-39 South Lasalle office 870 ft ... .. 51 ____
Legacy at Millennium Park residential 822 ft 792 ft 73 ____
4th Presbyterian Tower res./office 745 ft ... .. 64 2009
The Elysian res./hotel 707 ft ... .. 60 ____
One Museum Park residential 690 ft ... .. 62 2007
The Clare at Watertower residential 595 ft ... .. 50 2007
150 East Ontario residential 588 ft 565 ft 50 ____
600 North LSD residential 513 ft ... .. 46 2007
Parkview West residential 507 ft 497 ft 47 ____
50 East Chestnut residential 495 ft ... .. 40 2007
The Columbian residential 493 ft ... .. 46 2006
622 North LSD residential 453 ft ... .. 40 2007
301-331 West Ohio residential 450 ft ... .. 35 ____
The Lakeview Middle Tower residential 442 ft ... .. 37 2006
1000 South Michigan residential 429 ft ... .. 40 2006
MoMo residential 392 ft ... .. 31 ____
State-Delaware Condos residential 385 ft ... .. 42 ____
901 South Wabash residential 369 ft ... .. 43 ____
1001 South Wabash residential 369 ft ... .. 43 ____
1035 West Van Buren residential 360 ft ... .. 29 ____
The Lakeview North Tower residential 337 ft ... .. 30 2006
The Chandler residential 350 ft ... .. 35 2007
735 West Division residential 315 ft ... .. 27 2007
550 St. Clair residential 310 ft ... .. 26 2007
Marquee Michigan Avenue residential 295 ft ... .. 25 ____
Avenue East residential 276 ft ... .. 26 2006
Hudson Tower residential 264 ft ... .. 26 2006
Flair Tower residential 252 ft ... .. 24 ____
The Lakeview South Tower residential 235 ft ... .. 21 2006
Azure Tower residential 232 ft ... .. 19 ____
Library Tower residential 207 ft ... .. 16 2006
740 Fulton residential 180 ft ... .. 14 2006
Spertus Institute educational 161 ft ... .. 10 2007
The Inn at Lincoln Park hotel 152 ft ... .. 14 ____
Madison-Racine Condos 1 residential 125 ft ... .. 12 ____
Madison-Racine Condos 2 residential 125 ft ... .. 12 ____

830 South Michigan residential ___ ft ... .. 70 ____
Cityfront Plaza Tower III residential ___ ft ... .. 65 ____
Blue Cross-Blue Shield** office ___ ft ... .. 60 ____
500 North LSD residential ___ ft ... .. 58 ____
300 North Lasalle office ___ ft ... .. 55 2009
65 East Huron res./office ___ ft ... .. ~55 2007
740 North Rush residential ___ ft ... .. 50 ____
One East Superior residential ___ ft ... .. 46 ____
State-Walton condos residential ___ ft ... .. 42 ____
600 North Fairbanks residential ___ ft ... .. 41 ____
1320 North LSD residential ___ ft ... .. 40 ____
Cityfront Plaza Tower II residential ___ ft ... .. 40 ____
The Grand Kingsbury residential ___ ft ... .. 40 ____
Clinton-Kinzie Apartments residential ___ ft ... .. 35 ____
Clinton-Kinzie Condos residential ___ ft ... .. 35 ____
85 East Wacker Condos residential ___ ft ... .. 35 ____
300 West Huron residential ___ ft ... .. 35 ____
Wacker Plaza office ___ ft ... .. 34 ____
Madison West 645 Tower I office ___ ft ... .. 32 ____
Franklin and Randolph office ___ ft ... .. 32 ____
The Fairbanks at Cityfront Plaza residential ___ ft ... .. 31 ____
ABN AMRO Plaza II office ___ ft ... .. 30 ____
Burnham Pointe residential ___ ft ... .. 30 ____
3660 North LSD residential ___ ft ... .. 29 ____
1500 North Dayton I residential ___ ft ... .. 28 ____
1500 North Dayton II residential ___ ft ... .. 28 ____
501 West Huron residential ___ ft ... .. 28 ____
Prarie District Tower II residential ___ ft ... .. 27 ____
835 West Wilson residential ___ ft ... .. 27 ____
Parkview East residential ___ ft ... .. 27 ____
110 West Superior residential ___ ft ... .. 26 ____
Michigan Avenue Tower II residential ___ ft ... .. 25 2006
540 West Stratford residential ___ ft ... .. 25 ____
Madison West 645 Tower II office ___ ft ... .. 22 ____
505 North State residential ___ ft ... .. 22 ____
Trio residential ___ ft ... .. 20 ____
Vision on State residential ___ ft ... .. 19 2007
Printers Corner residential ___ ft ... .. 18 2006
601 West Monroe office ___ ft ... .. 18 ____
Park View East residential ___ ft ... .. 17 2006
811 West Monroe residential ___ ft ... .. 17 ____
451 Huron residential ___ ft ... .. 16 2006
120 North Jefferson office ___ ft ... .. 16 ____
Staybridge Suites hotel ___ ft ... .. 16 ____
30 West Erie residential ___ ft ... .. 14 2006
Stukel Towers 3 educational ___ ft ... .. 12 2007
Monroe-Aberdeen Condos I residential ___ ft ... .. 12 ____
Monroe-Aberdeen Condos II residential ___ ft ... .. 12 ____
Granville-Broadway Condos residential ___ ft ... .. 12 ____
150 North Jefferson residential ___ ft ... .. 12 ____
residential ___ ft ... .. __ ____



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You could go on forever with that list of yours but even so, that still doesn't necessarily equate more people moving to Chicago! There are no big population centers around San Antonio to annex.......why do most people find that hard to believe? I know that we have our fair share of SA boosters who will stop at nothing, but that still doesn't explain why you can't believe the postings and even census data that all indicate that people are moving to SA by the thousands to land within the city-limits that is being developed. The picture is not muddy at all, you have just chosen to believe as you do (Some people claim that America never landed on the moon), that still won't change the fact that SA will be the seventh largest city in America in the near future and a lot larger in the future.
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So is most of the growth in San Antonio (city proper) due to infill or annexation.

That is my f**king question. All this bullshit. This topic could be good and could be exciting. I only played the Chicago card to shut that shit up.

Now back to the subject matter.

Where is the infill occuring...within existing city boundaries. Was most of the growth inside or outside loop 1604 (within the city)?



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Question has been answered already!

Chicago 3rd, your question has been answered already, and again people choose to believe what they want to believe!
Going down to the Riverwalk and relax with a nice, cool Margarita!! It is HOT today!! Happy Fourth!!
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Re: Question has been answered already!

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Chicago 3rd, your question has been answered already, and again people choose to believe what they want to believe!

Going down to the Riverwalk and relax with a nice, cool Margarita!! It is HOT today!! Happy Fourth!!
Nobody has told us where the infill has occured...tell us.
You guys.....must be on a lot qualudes??? You guys cannot prove it. So you attack.

Note I lived there in the 60's and 80's...love the city and really was hoping someone down there knew a little about their own city....but forgot...S.A. people are only here to argue...not discuss....

July 4th is a date.

Real Patriots know it is Independence Day.
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That is my f**king question. All this bullshit. This topic could be good and could be exciting. I only played the Chicago card to shut that shit up.
You neither "shut that shit up" or proved a point. About your "fucking question", how could it not be answered yet? Have you not been reading? Even if I answer your question, will you understand the goddamn reply? Let me try a simpler approach....to your new question which is the same as your last question which I answered and you missed somehow.

Quote from Chicago3rd: Where is the infill occuring...within existing city boundaries.

Quote from starvinggryphon (when he answered your question the first time): people are moving to SA by the thousands to land within the city-limits.

Now it is I who doesn't understand.

Quote from Chicago3rd: Was most of the growth inside or outside loop 1604 (within the city)?

Why would you ask if the growth is within the city.......how can it be infill and part of San Antonio is it wasn't within the municipal boundary?
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No one has attacked you (someone should). I believe you think you were attacked because you get the same response from different people and therefore deem it as conspiracy rather than fact.
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Most of the new subdivisions built are located around 1604. Many are now well outside of 1604 and a great arc now stretches ever westward. Camp Bullis is a barrier to the immediate north of the city limits thus the move to the Northwestern side of the city.
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Again, the annexation that occurs hardly is a factor when it comes to population increases. I guess the few hundred people inhabiting enormous swaths of newly acquired land just barely cancels out the number of people dying.
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