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Old Posted Dec 8, 2009, 10:54 PM
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Florida's newest commuter rail Sunrail gets state Senate approval

Senate passes SunRail, 27-10
posted by Aaron Deslatte on Dec 8, 2009 4:20:40 PM
By Josh Hafenbrack, Dan Tracy and Aaron Deslatte, Tallahassee Bureau

TALLAHASSEE – Once a graveyard for controversial commuter rail projects, the Florida Senate abruptly shifted course Tuesday and voted 27-10 to approve the controversial SunRail project, the 61-mile commuter line that will take shape through Central Florida.

The legislation, now headed to Gov. Charlie Crist for his signature, would lay the groundwork for a future system of bullet trains connecting Florida’s traffic-choked urban centers, although that is years off and would require heavy federal funding. And it sends much needed funding to South Florida, where the Tri-Rail commuter train has been hemorrhaging money.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/new...tical+Pulse%29
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wait, so this saves Tri-Rail?

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Yes, for the most part Tri-Rail is saved.

People in Tampa are pissed that there's nothing for the 2nd biggest metro, unless the feds happen to give us money for the HSR.

The way I see it, this is the first indication of actual leadership in state government that I can remember in years. For our state, this is definitely NOT politics as usual.

Our leaders didn't do what was easiest for their political careers today, they actually did their job for once and did what's best for the state's residents tomorrow. This is no PR stunt. This is no gimmick. This is what leadership looks like. Real solutions to problems ignored by lesser leaders of the past. Today's vote was about people putting aside personal ideology and doing what's right for the public at large. Hell, developing mass transit options isn't merely a 'good thing', it's an absolute necessity if the residents of this state hope to maintain a 1st world standard of living for years to come.

Take a deep sigh of relief Florida, your future just got a little brighter.
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Is there a map somewhere of the 61 mile line they are talking about?
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This deal also sets up a Statewide Passenger Rail Commission which will advise the Department of Transportation and the Florida Rail Enterprise which will oversee the development of commuter lines as well as a high-speed system across the state. This is a good day for Florida that has been well overdue.
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Yes, for the most part Tri-Rail is saved.

People in Tampa are pissed that there's nothing for the 2nd biggest metro, unless the feds happen to give us money for the HSR.

The way I see it, this is the first indication of actual leadership in state government that I can remember in years. For our state, this is definitely NOT politics as usual.

Our leaders didn't do what was easiest for their political careers today, they actually did their job for once and did what's best for the state's residents tomorrow. This is no PR stunt. This is no gimmick. This is what leadership looks like. Real solutions to problems ignored by lesser leaders of the past. Today's vote was about people putting aside personal ideology and doing what's right for the public at large. Hell, developing mass transit options isn't merely a 'good thing', it's an absolute necessity if the residents of this state hope to maintain a 1st world standard of living for years to come.

Take a deep sigh of relief Florida, your future just got a little brighter.
Tampa may be pissed for being left out, but that's only because it was behind to begin with. For being the 2nd largest metro in the State, Orlando has had much, much more vision for mass transit going back to the early 90s. This will pave the way for the whole State to jump on board, especially now that they actually did the right thing by creating a State-wide transit authority that will govern rail/mass transit projects. Fantastic!
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Is there a map somewhere of the 61 mile line they are talking about?
Yes, this commuter line is ready to break ground. This is a solid project that has already gone through a feasibility study, it is ready to go.

Here's the map:

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Sweet. Right through Winter Park. Promising.
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More information on the SunRail approval at Orlando Sentinel: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...4.story?page=1

SunRail website including PDFs and renderings of the stations: http://www.sunrail.com/
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This is good news. But, why is it that new commuter rail startups don't use coupled DMU's instead a the traditional long haul configuration of locomotive+coach. Wouldn't the smaller, more purpose built DMU be more energy efficient, therefore more affordable to operate?

Here's the Sprinter DMU's, currently the only American exception. These would look fantastic in Orlando:


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Another: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=227077
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^Probably because DMUs aren't FRA compliant (safety), which means that whenever the DMUs would be running, nothing else could operate on the line.
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Excellent. There is a stop a mile from my condo *and* my office. I think I'll start putting the keys to the car away in a few years.
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This is good news. But, why is it that new commuter rail startups don't use coupled DMU's instead a the traditional long haul configuration of locomotive+coach. Wouldn't the smaller, more purpose built DMU be more energy efficient, therefore more affordable to operate?

Here's the Sprinter DMU's, currently the only American exception. These would look fantastic in Orlando:

Another: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=227077
Tri-Rail runs bi-level DMU trains, but aren't as nice looking as the pictures posted. I also remember reading sometime ago that the Sunrail will use DMU's?
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^ I hope so. I guess just going off of their logo, I assumed they planned on using a loco along the lines of a Motive Power 36PH.
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From my understanding, the DMUs in use by Tri-Rail are Sunrail's. Here is an image of them from when they made a stop in Jax two years ago.



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Here's the Sprinter DMU's, currently the only American exception. These would look fantastic in Orlando:
Three other North American examples are Austin's Metrorail, Ottawa's O-Train and New Jersey's RiverLine. Jacksonville's proposed North Commuter Rail corridor (DT to Airport) is looking at using these. This corridor just got a boost in track capacity due to the Sunrail deal. A portion of CSX's Sunrail profits will be used to construct an intermodal yard at JaxPort and a northern rail bypass around the city. When this is complete, the CSX rail line running through the northside of Jax (the inner city) will be ripe for commuter use.

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Oh yeah, I forgot about the NJTransit DMU. Those look entirely unsexy compared to those Siemens trains though.

Here's a rendering of the Sunrail DMU's I just dug up:


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Oh yeah, I forgot about the NJTransit DMU. Those look entirely unsexy compared to those Siemens trains though.

Here's a rendering of the Sunrail DMU's I just dug up:


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Yup, this is the commuter rail Train we already have here down in South Florida.
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Years ago the Colorado Railcar double level DMUs were amongst the favorites at Sunrail for possible procurement. But a Sunrail document dated May 2009 shows they are planning to purchase Bombardier coach and cab cars. http://www.sunrail.com/Documents/573.pdf

If Sunrail buy these cars as planned, they will be buying FRA compliant locomotive hauled coaches and cabs. Here's some Bombardier BiLevel photos:




Wiki on the Bombardier BiLevel cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_BiLevel_Coach

In the Frontrunner photo above, I chose a photo that included an ex-NJT Comet I car to show how UTA runs their mixed fleet.

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