YVR - Airport & Destinations Discussion - Page 210

casper · #**4181** Posted: **Mar 21, 2012, 4:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

Just disgusting, nothing like abruptly shutting out all of your employees! And oh boy, now our national airliner will be serviced overseas (largely in China I hear) what bunch of turds. I hope all the top managers of that company forwent all their bonuses over the past year or so to offset their financial troubles, and cut down their own salaries (but hey, what are the chances of that?)

The key think that keeps getting missed is Aveos was sold off from Air Canada a few years ago. Air Canada is simply a customer of Aveos now. Air Canada claims that the only maintenance work they have done in China is on four engines that they own and have leased to other airlines (not even used on their fleet) http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/me...tml#faq:9-10-*.

whatnext · #**4182** Posted: **Mar 21, 2012, 5:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by casper

The key think that keeps getting missed is Aveos was sold off from Air Canada a few years ago. Air Canada is simply a customer of Aveos now. Air Canada claims that the only maintenance work they have done in China is on four engines that they own and have leased to other airlines (not even used on their fleet) http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/me...tml#faq:9-10-*.

Well, yeah, except Aveos owns 80% of Aeroman in El Salvador which does the same work. Where do you bet Air Canada is going to get their planes serviced now?

What's more, it sounds as though Air Canada may have provoked this closure by deliberately deferring maintenance that was due to be performed at Aveos:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...rticle2375435/

Quite shameful really.

casper · #**4183** Posted: **Mar 21, 2012, 5:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Well, yeah, except Aveos owns 80% of Aeroman in El Salvador which does the same work. Where do you bet Air Canada is going to get their planes serviced now?

What's more, it sounds as though Air Canada may have provoked this closure by deliberately deferring maintenance that was due to be performed at Aveos:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...rticle2375435/

Quite shameful really.

I am also disappointed to see 2,000+ highly skilled and highly payed jobs leave the country. Hopefully a new service company comes out of the ashes of Avios. If Air Canada wanted out of their contract with Avios I would not put it past them to play hard ball.

That said, it is a regulated industry, and Air Canada has to follow Transport Canada approved maintenance plans or the planes get grounded. There are likely a couple of Air Canada planes half taken apart that will be stuck in limbo for a while. These are very expensive aircraft to have sitting around.

In this case I would jump first at blaming the management at Avios. They are the ones that should be able to manage cash flow and should be trying to go after additional business other than Air Canada.

Hot Rod · #**4184** Posted: **Mar 21, 2012, 6:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by Valley_Refugee

Yeah, this is really interesting...anyone know why AC doesn't just fly YVR-IAD? Not enough slots? At least DCA is a US Airways focus city, so there are codeshare possibilities available, I suppose.

I think United runs the YVR-IAD route, or once did recently.

whatnext · #**4185** Posted: **Mar 21, 2012, 3:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by casper

..In this case I would jump first at blaming the management at Avios. They are the ones that should be able to manage cash flow and should be trying to go after additional business other than Air Canada.

Hard to get new business when Canada's petrodollar now adds so much to the cost. ACTS (Aveos when it was AC owned) used to do maintenance in YVR for Delta, but the dollar was worth around 65 cents then.

MalcolmTucker · #**4186** Posted: **Mar 21, 2012, 3:38 PM**

^ You know, they could just price their service and wages in USD if they are really that concerned. Or force through a wage cut to lower the cost base back to a 0.65 dollar. Lowering the dollar is no different than a wage cut applied to the economy as a whole.

Metro-One · #**4187** Posted: **Mar 21, 2012, 3:42 PM**

of course such wage cuts would begin at the top, right? With the elimination of bonuses given the financial concern, right? Because it seems if there are any salaries that can be cut without a significant loss of luxury / living standard it is the top. And that way the people on the bottom remain valuable consumers for our economy as well!

Another fact being missed is that when this portion of Air Canada became separate Air Canada was suppose to use them until at least 2014 (or something along those lines I read).

MalcolmTucker · #**4188** Posted: **Mar 21, 2012, 3:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

of course such wage cuts would begin at the top, right? With the elimination of bonuses given the financial concern, right? Because it seems if there are any salaries that can be cut without a significant loss of luxury / living standard it is the top. And that way the people on the bottom remain valuable consumers for our economy as well!

Another fact being missed is that when this portion of Air Canada became separate Air Canada was suppose to use them until at least 2014 (or something along those lines I read).

Yeah, wage cuts would have to be on all employees. The whole point is to reduce everyone's standard of living. Having a lower dollar also lowers everyone's standard of living. I doubt employees would like working for much less while the rest of the economy continues at the current wage rate, and most would leave for industries that are profitable while paying them high wages.

It is just a normal economy at work, shifting resources to more productive uses.

deasine · #**4189** Posted: **Mar 21, 2012, 4:19 PM**

I'm not going to comment too much on the top executive positions as I also feel they are making too much money, but keep in mind, the last quarterly results from AC, the reason it wasn't profitting was because of staff wages and pensions, not based on load factors and the performance of the carrier. It's a fact that legacy carriers have grown with too much staff and this isn't only limited to Air Canada, but to other international legacy carriers: AF has the highest CASK per passenger, bankruptcy protection restructuring with AA (DL+NW and UA+CO have consolidated and have gone through their own restructuring and have also declared Chapter 11 before), LH owns OS, LX, SN and have each been consolidated and each have gone through route optimization to compliment the LH network, etc.

Outsourcing is just a fact of the industry today.

Johnny Aussie · #**4190** Posted: **Mar 24, 2012, 3:53 AM**

Cannot forget about the local little guys!! Keeping the South Terminal hopping....

Pacific Coastal adding a bit of frequencies/capacity this summer.

Adding 21 weekly frequencies to its summer schedules compared to 2011.

In addition, will be increasing the flying of their Shorts 360s and the Saabs.

Good to see some confidence in the local BC market.

Johnny Aussie · #**4191** Posted: **Mar 28, 2012, 8:44 AM**

Taking into account 3.6% of these increases are due to Feb being a leap-year, pretty healthy results.

Continuing on from January's growth, every sector up over Feb 2011...

Overall up 6.9% (YTD up 6.2%)

Domestic up 7.6% (YTD up 6.6%)

Transborder up 6.9% (YTD 6.3%) (Bellingham continues to wipe out YVR's transborder market!)

Asia Pacific up 5.0% (YTD up 6.4%)

Europe up 6.8% (YTD up 4.1%)

Other International up 6.1% (YTD 3.4%)

Johnny Aussie · #**4192** Posted: **Mar 30, 2012, 12:31 PM**

22 June - 10 Sep China Eastern is increasing YVR - PVG to 11 weekly from daily. All flights to be operated by A330-200.

See link for more detail and schedule info.

http://airlineroute.net/2012/03/30/mu-yvr-s12

Johnny Aussie · #**4193** Posted: **Apr 2, 2012, 4:54 AM**

Greetings from BKK

UA just completely overhauled its summer 2012 operations at YVR.

A brief summary:

ORD 5 daily - 2 739 and 3 320. Also 1 757 rotation on Sat/Sun.

IAH 3 daily (2 on Mon Tue) - 1 739 and 2 738. Slight variance on weekends.

DEN 3 daily - 2 320 and 1 CR7. Slight variance on weekends.

SFO 5 daily all mainline Mon-Fri 4 319 and 1 738. Slight variance on weekends including a couple of Express flights and 1 weekly 757.

EWR upgauged from 73G to daily 320 (738 on Sat)

LAX remains at a single daily CR7.

Overall, this is quite a significant increase on weekly capacity compared to 2011. Basically 16 mainly per day plus 2 UA Express.

deasine · #**4194** Posted: **Apr 2, 2012, 7:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Greetings from BKK

UA just completely overhauled its summer 2012 operations at YVR.

A brief summary:

ORD 5 daily - 2 739 and 3 320. Also 1 757 rotation on Sat/Sun.

IAH 3 daily (2 on Mon Tue) - 1 739 and 2 738. Slight variance on weekends.

DEN 3 daily - 2 320 and 1 CR7. Slight variance on weekends.

SFO 5 daily all mainline Mon-Fri 4 319 and 1 738. Slight variance on weekends including a couple of Express flights and 1 weekly 757.

EWR upgauged from 73G to daily 320 (738 on Sat)

LAX remains at a single daily CR7.

Overall, this is quite a significant increase on weekly capacity compared to 2011. Basically 16 mainly per day plus 2 UA Express.

I thought AC operated the flights to EWR...

Johnny Aussie · #**4195** Posted: **Apr 2, 2012, 10:53 AM**

^ AC operates daily year-round. United (formerly CO) operates daily seasonal summer service.

trofirhen · #**4196** Posted: **Apr 2, 2012, 2:09 PM**

I looked at the sites of all the airlines that fly YVR-LAX nonstop; Air Canada, Delta, Alaska, West Jet, and United.

Each provides four (4) nonstops per day. X5 = 20 nonstops per day Between Vancouver and LA. Not bad. Not bad at all.

SpongeG · #**4197** Posted: **Apr 2, 2012, 7:31 PM**

all those movie stars swishing back and forth to red carpet events in LA while they have to slug it out in the frozen north of canada making their meal pay in hollywood north

trofirhen · #**4198** Posted: **Apr 2, 2012, 7:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

all those movie stars swishing back and forth to red carpet events in LA while they have to slug it out in the frozen north of canada making their meal pay in hollywood north

That MUST be it !!!

s211 · #**4199** Posted: **Apr 2, 2012, 8:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

all those movie stars swishing back and forth to red carpet events in LA while they have to slug it out in the frozen north of canada making their meal pay in hollywood north

Or their mules going back and forth.

incognism · #**4200** Posted: **Apr 2, 2012, 10:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I looked at the sites of all the airlines that fly YVR-LAX nonstop; Air Canada, Delta, Alaska, West Jet, and United.

Each provides four (4) nonstops per day. X5 = 20 nonstops per day Between Vancouver and LA. Not bad. Not bad at all.

??? Ever heard of codeshares?

AS has 4X daily (codeshared by AA & DL)
WS has 2X daily (codeshared by AA)
AC has 4X daily (codeshared by UA)
UA has 1X daily (codeshared by AC) - seasonal, as mentioned by Johnny Aussie upthread

11 daily, not 20.