YVR - Airport & Destinations Discussion

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Does the world air market out of YVR stop at India and China? Having a destination like DOH is the perfect transfer point not only to other parts of the middle east, but also Cairo, Cape Town, Jo'burg..... It may not seem profitable RIGHT now, but wait a few years as Vancouver grows, and the destination markets along with it.

If not the Gulf States, then Istanbul would make a great connection point, too, but that's another dead issue; right now, anyway.

There are already perfectly good options to Africa and the Middle East via London and Frankfurt as well as east coast cities such as New York.

Not saying it wouldn't be great to see Emirates or Etihad or Turkish in YVR, but the business case for these airlines would need to be more than another hubbing point for onward traffic.

[twoNeurons]

Flying direct to DOH would mean flights to South Africa from Vancouver go nowhere near Toronto or any other European city.

Right now, there's a CHANCE for a direct flight from YYZ to Cape Town or Johannesburg (unless there are ETOPS restrictions). I'm not sure if there is a direct flight right now from YYZ, I don't think so. As such, it would be a one transfer trip from Vancouver via a Canadian Airport instead of transferring to London or DOH.

Another reason why DOH is opposed by some. Right or wrong, DOH will ruffle feathers because taking the POLAR route it doesn't really have any competition.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

There are already perfectly good options to Africa and the Middle East via London and Frankfurt as well as east coast cities such as New York.

Not saying it wouldn't be great to see Emirates or Etihad or Turkish in YVR, but the business case for these airlines would need to be more than another hubbing point for onward traffic.

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Flying direct to DOH would mean flights to South Africa from Vancouver go nowhere near Toronto or any other European city.

Right now, there's a CHANCE for a direct flight from YYZ to Cape Town or Johannesburg (unless there are ETOPS restrictions). I'm not sure if there is a direct flight right now from YYZ, I don't think so. As such, it would be a one transfer trip from Vancouver via a Canadian Airport instead of transferring to London or DOH.

Another reason why DOH is opposed by some. Right or wrong, DOH will ruffle feathers because taking the POLAR route it doesn't really have any competition.

Points well taken, but a simple question: Which route is SHORTER? Via London / Frankfurt to, say, Jo'burg, or over the pole to Qatar, then on to Jo'burg?
Also, @Metro-One: why does taking the POLAR route mean it has no real competition? Is this, then, the shortest "Route to Jo'burg?"

(hey, there's a theme for a new thread; just what is the best connecting point for Vancouver to Africa and the Middle East? The thread might be nicknamed "The Fastest Way to Jo'burg," but I'm not going to start it.)

[Yume-sama]

Would be nice to see a new face, and with a 787 it'd be one of many economically viable routes.

Qatar announced today that when they take deliveries of some of their 60 787's their new routes will be 1x daily Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, and Detroit, and JFK 3x daily.

[whatnext]

At last a little construction-related YVR news, rather than routes! A few details of Canada Post's new facility from the Richmond Review:

http://www.richmondreview.com/news/147240685.html

[SpongeG]

you can fly to south africa via new york and atlanta - both have non-stop flights as south african airways flies to both cities in the states - if u wanna avoid europe all together

also there are more options from seattle - i know a few years ago you could fly seattle-chicago-madrid-joburg and it was $500 cheaper than anything i could find out of vancouver - which is quite a decent savings

if u wanna get there from here - u can go via london, frankfurt or amsterdam, i have done via london and amsterdam, my mom did frankfurt once, they are all about the same time, only difference is what airline you would prefer, British airways, KLM or Lufthansa

[trofirhen]

This might be an eventual destination out of Vancouver when 787s come onstream. Two First World economies, commonwealth countries, tourism, family ties ... Too soon now, of course, but something for the future......

http://www.routesonline.com/news/36/...ational-links/

[deasine]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

This might be an eventual destination out of Vancouver when 787s come onstream. Two First World economies, commonwealth countries, tourism, family ties ... Too soon now, of course, but something for the future......

http://www.routesonline.com/news/36/...ational-links/

I'm going to be a pessimist. Canberra's been trying to pitch itself as Sydney's second airport (linked via HSR), but Sydney still has some capacity left in its current airport, and will have a larger capacity once they reconfigure their carriers in their terminals. Canberra doesn't have any international flights, and only the national carriers Qantas and Virgin Australia, and perhaps some other domestic carrier, flies from Canberra.

There's a chance for Canberra to feature more international destinations in the coming years, but I would imagine that only be in the Oceania region, or in Southeast Asia, served by carriers such as Silk Air/Scoot (Singapore's subsidiaries), and Jetstar.

[Valley_Refugee]

Melbourne certainly and Brisbane likely before Canberra.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Valley_Refugee

Melbourne certainly and Brisbane likely before Canberra.

Exactly!! I posted that link deliberately to elicit reaction, and you've hit the nail on the head. If YVR had Brisbane and Melbourne scheduled year-round service, in addition to Sydney, we'd have a great foothold in Australia. 787s can do all that nonstop from YVR. YYZ is too far out of nonstop range, even for the 787. Forget Canberra ... for a few decades, anyway.

[Valley_Refugee]

Haha, okay, call it a "reaction" if you want.

I suppose I was just amazed you went one post without reminding us how small and insignificant Vancouver is.

[SpongeG]

i've noticed Virgin is really ramping up its advertising here - looking good seeing the skytrain wrap or partial wrap

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Valley_Refugee

Haha, okay, call it a "reaction" if you want.

I suppose I was just amazed you went one post without reminding us how small and insignificant Vancouver is.

Hey, the "trick" wasn't on you. Canberra was just a "hook."
All I meant was, that in spite of being small and insignificant as so many cities go, Vancouver is still the LA, San Fran, and Seattle of Canada all rolled into one.

It would simply be nice to get a real solid foothold in Australia, that's all. Vancouver could do that; Toronto could not.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Points well taken, but a simple question: Which route is SHORTER? Via London / Frankfurt to, say, Jo'burg, or over the pole to Qatar, then on to Jo'burg?
Also, @Metro-One: why does taking the POLAR route mean it has no real competition? Is this, then, the shortest "Route to Jo'burg?"

(hey, there's a theme for a new thread; just what is the best connecting point for Vancouver to Africa and the Middle East? The thread might be nicknamed "The Fastest Way to Jo'burg," but I'm not going to start it.)

If you take a look at www.gcmap.com you can see that London is probably one of the shortest routes.

A Qatar route is far enough east so that going over the pole is the direct route as well.

Plug in a few airports into gcmap.com to see what I mean:

YVR - LGW - CPT
YVR - DOX - CPT
YVR - JFK - CPT
YVR - YYZ - CPT

[PaperTiger]

Cool site,

Incidently, it appears the most direct route would be YVR-ATL-CPT. That is is only 149 Km's longer than if you could fly non-stop.

Does Delta still run YVR-ATL?

[Gordon]

yes Delta will be operating the YVR to ATL on a limited service. Saturdays

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Gordon

yes Delta will be operating the YVR to ATL on a limited service. Saturdays

Hmmmmmmm. How is that to be interpreted?

[Gordon]

Westjet & Delta have a code Share YVR ATL might work as a codeshare route
DEelta uses 757s a 737-700 might be suffcient.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Westjet & Delta have a code Share YVR ATL might work as a codeshare route
Delta uses 757s a 737-700 might be suffcient.

Would this still mean a once-a-week service to Atlanta anyway? Atlanta seems such an ideal jumping-off point for anything southeasterly, be it Jo'burg, DisneyWorld, Caracas, or Sao Paulo. Seems a shame not to have better service there. Often more direct than going via YYZ anyway.

[LotusLand]

YVR named best airport in North America and Number 9 in the world. So this is where all our fees our going

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2012/04/y...year-in-a-row/