YVR - Airport & Destinations Discussion - Page 217

trofirhen · #**4321** Posted: **Apr 29, 2012, 5:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Well I don't know as much about this stuff as some of you here, but the way I see it is if western Canada needs a new route to Europe, if its AC chances are its going to be out of YVR and if it's Westjet I'd bet it would be out of YYC.

Other than that I would assume smaller, self sustaining domestic and us routes will continue to be out of whichever airport can support them, regardless of which carrier is running them, but larger routes would be out of hubs and rely on regional traffic.

IF a new route to Europe goes into service, and IF it's WJ and not AC, wouldn't it make $$ sense to include Vancouver in that anyway? The market here is bigger than Calgary and Edmonton combined.

Or am I wrong .....

cornholio · #**4322** Posted: **Apr 29, 2012, 9:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

IF a new route to Europe goes into service, and IF it's WJ and not AC, wouldn't it make $$ sense to include Vancouver in that anyway? The market here is bigger than Calgary and Edmonton combined.

Or am I wrong .....

But isnt the catchment area important as well? Vancouver has the worst catchment area for Europe bound flights I would think as there is nothing west of here. Meanwhile Calgary can use Vancouver and the entire western sea board as part of their catchment area.

trofirhen · #**4323** Posted: **Apr 29, 2012, 10:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by cornholio

But isnt the catchment area important as well? Vancouver has the worst catchment area for Europe bound flights I would think as there is nothing west of here. Meanwhile Calgary can use Vancouver and the entire western sea board as part of their catchment area.

Yes, what you say about the catchment area is very true, but if WJ starts flying to Europe from YYC, wouldn't making WJ Calgary-based catchment area to include Vancouver itself be a profitable move? I mean, for example, if there's going to be a WestJet Galgary - Munich flight, wouldn't it make sense for it to begin in Vancouver? They'd get more revenue that way ... surely

deasine · #**4324** Posted: **Apr 30, 2012, 3:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by incognism

YVR-MUC might be possible. Their only West Coast destinations from MUC are currently are SFO and LAX while FRA gets service from YVR, SEA, LAX and SFO.

Not sure about MUC, but I wouldn't be surprised if we have a scheduled service eventually from Air Berlin. They had seasonal service to DUS (or was it BER?) earlier.

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Originally Posted by incognism

However, LH discontinued their YYC-FRA service a few months back, and while it's not the same market, it's possible they view Western NA as being adequately served for the time being.

Yeah, but keep in mind, AC took over and added capacity so there was no capacity lost on that route. Given their tight-knit relationship, it seems more of a capacity allowance transfer for more than anything.

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Originally Posted by incognism

Exciting that VS is entering the market and I'd hope they can be successful at it though. Giving VX's interest in YVR, I could foresee VA jumping into the action and making YVR a nice little Virgin group connection point.

Virgin Group connection would not be a reason VX would fly to YVR. Even though they both carry the Virgin branding and they are listed as "partners," there's really little cooperation between Virgin carriers (with the exception of Virgin Australia and Virgin Samoa of course). And YVR would not be a logical connection for passengers between the Kangaroo route. LHR-YVR-SYD is about 16% longer than the current Kangaroo route hubs.

Code:

SYD-LHR via HKG 10575mi (CX, BA/QF)
SYD-LHR via CAN 10575mi (CZ) 
SYD-LHR via SIN 10672mi (SQ, BA/QF)
SYD-LHR via BKK 10620mi (TG, BA/QF)

SYD-LHR via YVR 12480mi

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yes, what you say about the catchment area is very true, but if WJ starts flying to Europe from YYC, wouldn't making WJ Calgary-based catchment area to include Vancouver itself be a profitable move? I mean, for example, if there's going to be a WestJet Galgary - Munich flight, wouldn't it make sense for it to begin in Vancouver? They'd get more revenue that way ... surely

Yeah, but one also needs to factor in what airplane is used as well. Narrowbodies can't get close to Europe so in other words, whatever aircraft is used must be a widebody with a large capacity. So unless there is a guaranteed number of passengers from YVR to Europe (via YYC) that will fill at least the majority of the aircraft, it doesn't make sense to include YVR. Plus, it makes more sense to end the route in YYC anyway, for one, to funnel the capacity into other YVR-YYC domestic flights, for two, to have maintenance all centered at YYC.

incognism · #**4325** Posted: **Apr 30, 2012, 4:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

Not sure about MUC, but I wouldn't be surprised if we have a scheduled service eventually from Air Berlin. They had seasonal service to DUS (or was it BER?) earlier.

AB has been flying a 332 YVR-DUS for past few summers.

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Yeah, but keep in mind, AC took over and added capacity so there was no capacity lost on that route. Given their tight-knit relationship, it seems more of a capacity allowance transfer for more than anything.

No capacity lost? AC was running a 763 and LH had a 333 (previously 343) on that route before LH pulled out. Now AC has a 333 on the route. I'd say that's some capacity lost.

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Virgin Group connection would not be a reason VX would fly to YVR. Even though they both carry the Virgin branding and they are listed as "partners," there's really little cooperation between Virgin carriers (with the exception of Virgin Australia and Virgin Samoa of course). And YVR would not be a logical connection for passengers between the Kangaroo route. LHR-YVR-SYD is about 16% longer than the current Kangaroo route hubs.

I wouldn't say that VX would come into YVR for the reason of creating a connection point. But given that VX has expressed interest in YVR (separately of VS and VA), I could see each of the three airlines making a business case for YVR individually. VS will be operating YVR-LHR. I can see VX running YVR-SFO and YVR-LAX (seeing how they have found success doing so in PDX and SEA). And it's a much longer shot, but I could see VA trying to make a go of YVR-SYD.

Like you said, it doesn't make sense for the three to cooperate to operate in YVR, but independently, there's a chance that all three may end up in YVR anyways.

Maybe "connection point" was the wrong term to use.

Johnny Aussie · #**4326** Posted: **Apr 30, 2012, 10:19 AM**

In addition to JAL's scheduled daily YVR-NRT flights, this summer JAL is adding a few additional charter flights as part of a BC/Alaska tour program.

The additional flights are to and/or from: Fukuoka, Osaka, Nagoya, Niigata, Tokyo and Okayama.

More details can be found at the reliable airliners.net site.

http://airlineroute.net/2012/04/30/jl-alaska-s12

twoNeurons · #**4327** Posted: **Apr 30, 2012, 5:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Could you elaborate on that? What sort of "connection point" do you visualize? I'm interested.

You can see where they fly:

Bigtime · #**4328** Posted: **May 1, 2012, 12:37 PM**

WestJet has selected the Q400 for their regional operation.

Firm order of 20 frames with options for another 25.

http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=659

Operation to start Q3 of 2013.

trofirhen · #**4329** Posted: **May 1, 2012, 2:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

You can see where they fly:

Yes, you make your point well. It'd be great to have three "branches" of their service based out of Vancouver ..... we might even get one, maybe two more coveted destinations out of 'em if we welcome 'em in, and treat 'em nice ...

LotusLand · #**4330** Posted: **May 1, 2012, 3:41 PM**

Japadog is opening at the airport? I haven't seen any signage for it but apparently it opens today

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2012/04/j...ing-up-at-yvr/

Johnny Aussie · #**4331** Posted: **May 2, 2012, 10:24 PM**

For awhile it looked like EVA was dropping back to 3 weekly on the TPE-YVR route but they just loaded their 4th weekly seasonal flight for the summer.

This year all flights to be operated with 744 instead of a mix of 744/77W, so another little bump to Asian capacity this summer.

Good news too that EVA Air is going to join Star Alliance... look fwd to another Star option in Asia.

Denscity · #**4332** Posted: **May 3, 2012, 3:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

WestJet has selected the Q400 for their regional operation.

Firm order of 20 frames with options for another 25.

http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=659

Operation to start Q3 of 2013.

Fingers crossed for the West Kootenay regional airport in Castlegar (YCG).

SpongeG · #**4333** Posted: **May 5, 2012, 6:53 PM**

YVR fail

Image @CoryMonteith via vancity buzz

trofirhen · #**4334** Posted: **May 5, 2012, 7:07 PM**

Why "YVR fail," Sponge? I'm not disagreeing in any way, but are you commenting on the signage itself, or the walking times, or exactly what? I'm just interested, that's all. Thanks ......... oh, I think I get it: not in Chinese or Korean, perhaps, given the large YVR - Asia traffic? Right or wrong. Yes or no. Please tell me if I got it. Thanks again.

SpongeG · #**4335** Posted: **May 5, 2012, 7:09 PM**

it looks like a penis

SpongeG · #**4336** Posted: **May 5, 2012, 7:09 PM**

moronic boyish humour that makes some people giggle - go check vancity buzz thats where i saw it

trofirhen · #**4337** Posted: **May 5, 2012, 7:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

it looks like a penis

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

moronic boyish humour that makes some people giggle - go check vancity buzz thats where i saw it

Hey, .... yeah, ...of course, on second look. The architect must have had some unresolved psychosexual issue. Then again, perhaps YVR could adjust the forms more graphically, so that aspect would be less noticeable, but just how?

Johnny Aussie · #**4338** Posted: **May 5, 2012, 10:32 PM**

A bit of envy perhaps?

I will never look at that sign again in the same way!

trofirhen · #**4339** Posted: **May 5, 2012, 10:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

A bit of envy perhaps?

I will never look at that sign again in the same way!

I know what you mean. Sexual obsession can be contagious. Even with airport signage.

Valley_Refugee · #**4340** Posted: **May 8, 2012, 8:39 PM**

25 new Korean Air codeshares with WestJet, 14 of which are Vancouver routes:

From airlinerroute.net:

http://airlineroute.net/2012/05/08/wske-codeshare/