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Old Posted Oct 21, 2005, 3:51 AM
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I agree too.. And naming rights alone would almost pay for their share.
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I think Tsakopoulos should buy the A's and focus his efforts on expanding Raley Field. I'm not much of a baseball fan, but I know that it would be great for the city, economically and marketably. And it would be good for the A's franchise as well.

I love Basketball and I love the Kings, but, I'm sick of the Maloofs and there "aw shucks" persona and dumb-ass attitudes. With the uncooperative defiance they take surrounding talks of a new arena, coupled with the fact that they pushed so hard and inevitably suceeded at taking the All-Star games to Vegas, it is painfully obvious they have absolutely no interest in the community of this great and proud city that is Sacramento.

How does the "Las Vegas Kings" sound to you?

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Las Vegas will probably never have an NBA team, or at least as long as Stern is Commissioner. Don't worry about that. But I do agree that the Maloofs need to stop playing games and just take a hard line on this.

If they'll leave if an arena doesn't get built, they ought tell the people that! It's the only thing that will get their attention. Most people see no need to get an arena. If it's as clear a choice as arena or no Kings, people can make a decision and we can get on with our lives. If people care enough about the Kings to build an arena, great. If not, the Kings can leave, fair and square.
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I think Tsakopoulos should buy the A's and focus his efforts on expanding Raley Field. I'm not much of a baseball fan, but I know that it would be great for the city, economically and marketably. And it would be good for the A's franchise as well.
Word to your mother. I like the Kings a lot, but I'd much rather be a baseball town than a basketball town. Cold you imagine having the World Series in Sactown!!??
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Could you imagine having the World Series in Sactown!!??

No because I hate baseball, especially major league baseball. It's season is way too long (like 5 months too long). Besides baseball unlike football or basketball is not a sport that thrives in smaller markets, which Sacramento is.

I tolerate Triple A. I don't think this city is ready for both basekball and baseball, and I hope the fans are smart enough to know we need to take care of the team we have first.

That is if the MaGoofs, quit playing games and get serious about letting us know what they want and what their "fair share" translates to.
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^ In what way do you feel Sac is not ready for more major sports? Because of its size? Same size as Kansas City -- Cleveland and Denver aren't much bigger. We are bigger than Milwaukee and New Orleans, Jacksonville and Indianapolis. What's more, we have the 15th largest media market in the nation. We make more money than most of the aforementioned cities.
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^ In what way do you feel Sac is not ready for more major sports? Because of its size? Same size as Kansas City -- Cleveland and Denver aren't much bigger. We are bigger than Milwaukee and New Orleans, Jacksonville and Indianapolis. What's more, we have the 15th largest media market in the nation. We make more money than most of the aforementioned cities.

I didn't say we weren't ready for "more major sports". I said major league baseball is not a good fit for Sacramento. Sacramento (is actually the 19th largest media market, not the 15th). We have the population (2 million in the metro and closer to 3 million within an hours drive of the capitol) We also have the largest media market in the nation without either football or baseball. But baseball just doesn't seem to do well in smaller markets. Sacramento has a small corporate base, and while we can boast about large operations for Intel, NEC and a few other back office operations, (they don't translate into corporate support). Football is much easier for a smaller market to support because of the revenue sharing agreements in the NFL and the fact that much of the money is made based on your (media market size, at least locally for cable contract deals). Also you only have to sell out a stadium a few times each year. Something which would be no problem here.

Besides look how hard it is to build and Arena in this city. Do you honestly think they would ever build a baseball Park that would cost closer to 3/4 of a billion dollars???


Also if this city is foolish enough to let a team the caliber of the Kings leave, then we sure as heck don't deserve another team until we can figure out whether or not we're willing to support the team with first class facilities. (just my thoughts)
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I agree. I also think that Major League Baseball seems to be successful in large blue-collar markets, like most of the cities mentioned above. Sacramento has some blue-collar families but it's not like some of those great-lake-area cities that are built on industry. Then again, I'm not an expert in demographics but I really have no desire to see MLB in Sac. The rivercats are perfect for Sacramento and it's more of my speed.
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Sacramento has a small corporate base, and while we can boast about large operations for Intel, NEC and a few other back office operations, (they don't translate into corporate support).
That's what I was wanting to hear. I just wanted to see if you were thinking the same way. No fortune 100 -- wait, no fortune 500 companies BASED here. I believe Sac has the fan base to sell ou the games but no corporate sponsorships. That's what the city needs to focus on, which it never seems to do. They need to find a way to woo more large corporations who are considering moving their headquarters to set up shop here. I know it's a tall order, but it kills us.

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(is actually the 19th largest media market, not the 15th).
You are correct, I didnt have time last night to double-check my facts -- but still '19' is nothing to sneeze about.
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You guys are right about our lack of an F500 company. On the other hand, I don't think we need to focus on wooing an F500 here (they don't move usually). We need to have a business climate where an F500 can be born and grow--something like SureWest. "Young F500s" look for things like talent base, favorable tax stucture, cost/cost of living, resources, etc. Sac is lacking in some of those areas.
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That's what I was wanting to hear. I just wanted to see if you were thinking the same way. No fortune 100 -- wait, no fortune 500 companies BASED here. I believe Sac has the fan base to sell ou the games but no corporate sponsorships. That's what the city needs to focus on, which it never seems to do. They need to find a way to woo more large corporations who are considering moving their headquarters to set up shop here. I know it's a tall order, but it kills us.

You are correct, I didnt have time last night to double-check my facts -- but still '19' is nothing to sneeze about.
Well I think you guys make a good point. Petco (not a f500) and Qualcomm Inc., are both located in San Diego -hence the name of their ballpark and football stadium. But Los Angeles has many f500 and can’t get a NFL team -why?

It’s an interesting point about were our city’s focus should be. We have had our identify so wrapped up in state government that we seemed to have neglected everything else including finance. We need balance. How could the city woo more large corporations? And at what price?

Back in the 1990’s, when Joe Serna was mayor, the City of Sacramento made the decision to actively pursue Packard Bell. Sacramento provided many incentives (money/tax breaks) to them. Sacramento did succeeded it getting the electronics company here by providing the political clout and financial means to land the deal and pushing the Army to get the property (old Sacramento Army Depot) cleaned-up and ready to be reused. But Packard Bell’s fortunes turned, and in 1999, they shut down their Sacramento operation. Meanwhile, Sacramentians had paid $132 million for “necessary improvements”, and loaned Packard Bell $26 million to lure the company. How badly do we need a major sports team? Is it worth it?

We have lower costs than the Bay Area or Los Angeles and that means a lot. But we are in competition with out-of-state cities. The state could do more but for obvious reasons legislators try to keep the companies in their constituent’s hometown. It seems they’d rather lose it to an out-of-state competitor than an in-state one.

Image is not everything but it’s not nothing. The ones making the decisions do not see us as a potential HQ city. We have a good chance of wooing a fortune 500 company from the Bay Area and LA. if we work at up-marketing our city. In the late 1990’s I saw all these ads in Bay Area biz mag/papers from out-of-state cities trying to woo companies. Never did I see ad from Sacramento. I don’t know how effective those ad were but since Sacramento is a lot closer I can image we would have just as good of chance if not better.

One more thought is that we just don’t provide the amenities that the management and CEO’s want in a city. We must really work on increasing the arts, education, etc.
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Also if this city is foolish enough to let a team the caliber of the Kings leave, then we sure as heck don't deserve another team until we can figure out whether or not we're willing to support the team with first class facilities.

I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Article on the casino's providing loan funding for the arena...could this one actaully have legs?

Riches turn area tribes into players
By Mary Lynne Vellinga -- Bee Staff Writer

Paula Lorenzo considers herself a big-time Kings fan, and she has the picture to prove it.

During a Kings game three years ago, she seized Bobby Jackson's head and kissed it after he fell back into her second-row seat. A photographer captured the moment, and the Kings reprinted the picture on tickets for an entire season. (haha, that was a great moment!)

Like many sports enthusiasts, Lorenzo worries that the Kings will leave town if the team doesn't get a new arena. Unlike most fans, however, she is in a position to do something about it.

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http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/s...14600336c.html
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^^ I second that. But its almost like it all has to happen at once. Its almost like you have to have one to have the other. Obviously corporate moneys translates to tax revenues, which translates to more art & entertainment and all the other "amenities". Without those revenues you don't have the amenities. Without the amenities you dont have large corporations setting up shop here creating revenue. The easy answer is to start out slowly, market what you have, and work your way up. That is, after all, what getting the RiverCats was suppose to do. The late Mayor Serna wanted nothing less than major league here, if you recall.

Anywho, I think we agree, more could be done to market our city better -- to lure more of Corporate America to our doorsteps, to lure more amenities (like pro baseball or football perhaps?). Too bad about the Packard Bell demise. It was a step in the right direction. Then there was our own start-up "Foundation Health" and the NIMBY's of Gold River basically booted them out. The Money Store looked promising -- but no, not here, not Sacramento. It had to tank like everything else -- its like we're cursed or something.

Anyway, it just frustrates me.
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^^ I second that. But its almost like it all has to happen at once. Its almost like you have to have one to have the other. Obviously corporate moneys translates to tax revenues, which translates to more art & entertainment and all the other "amenities". Without those revenues you don't have the amenities. Without the amenities you dont have large corporations setting up shop here creating revenue. The easy answer is to start out slowly, market what you have, and work your way up. That is, after all, what getting the RiverCats was suppose to do. The late Mayor Serna wanted nothing less than major league here, if you recall.

Anywho, I think we agree, more could be done to market our city better -- to lure more of Corporate America to our doorsteps, to lure more amenities (like pro baseball or football perhaps?). Too bad about the Packard Bell demise. It was a step in the right direction. Then there was our own start-up "Foundation Health" and the NIMBY's of Gold River basically booted them out. The Money Store looked promising -- but no, not here, not Sacramento. It had to tank like everything else -- its like we're cursed or something.

Anyway, it just frustrates me.

I can agree with most of what you saying GrowinUp. I'm a big believer in investing in our entertainment and cultural amenities.

I would have no prolbem with football, but as I said I don't see baseball as being a logical fit for sacramento. I also (as I've stated before) want to see a fisrt class theater/performing arts center, an expanded Crocker Art Museum (which looks to be on hold indefinitely unless I'm mistaken), I want to see the intermodel station become reality. I am so sick of Sacramento talking ans talking about what it wants to become and never putting it's money where it's mouth is. I suspect that's why we don't see much corporate clout. This isn't a "can do city" so to speak. It's the Nimby capital of the U.S. everyone has been content with their suburban tract homes in Elk Grove and Roseville and content with the idea that a night out at the movies is their idea of culture.

It's pitiful when cities smaller than Sacramento are able to accomplish much more than we are capable of ever dreaming of.

Kansas City
Indianapolis
Charlottte

These cities build their culural an entertainment faiclities and are capable of luring coroporations.

Sacramento meanwhile talks about it.

I am encouraged about all of the private sector highrise residential growth for downtown. Maybe with the influx of people seeking a more cosmopolitan style of living Sacramento will finally wake up and pull it's head out of it's butt and take it's place as the center of a major metropolitan area.
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Anywho, I think we agree, more could be done to market our city better -- to lure more of Corporate America to our doorsteps, to lure more amenities (like pro baseball or football perhaps?). Too bad about the Packard Bell demise. It was a step in the right direction. Then there was our own start-up "Foundation Health" and the NIMBY's of Gold River basically booted them out. The Money Store looked promising -- but no, not here, not Sacramento. It had to tank like everything else -- its like we're cursed or something.

Anyway, it just frustrates me.

Here's a prime example of marketing the city. Sacramento chased the Stem Cell HQ's with free rent for a downtown office building. Why chase (what is basically a state agency) that doesn't really amount to squat?? Why didn't the city take that donated office space in One Capitol Mall, and offer it to a company willing to locate their corproate headquarters here?

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BTW on the subject of our local Tribes becoming involved in a solution, I think that's absolutely wonderful. This is the local financial clout in our area as the article alludes to. We may not have any large corporate HQs here. But we do have a number of local tribes swimming in $$$. If they can come up with a solution and the MaGoofs are serious absout making this they're home, then hopefully a deal can get done. But I still think the arena belongs DT. Look at other cities that have built their arenas downtown as opposed to those who have bolted for the suburbs.

Would we prefer this arena to be more like Conseco Filedhouse or the SBC?


Conseco is one of the best (if not the best) basketball arenas in the league and it's a downtown arena that works well.

(Of course i think the issue of a downtown arena here is dead and buried). We're going to be lucky to get the arena built in Natomas.
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The city tried that with Lot A awhile back. They offered the entire parcel for $1 to any corporation that was willing to move their corporate headquarters there. There were no takers. If that doesn't tell us something about whether or not we'll ever see a large corporate presence here, I don't know what will.
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If that doesn't tell us something about whether or not we'll ever see a large corporate presence here, I don't know what will.

That's pitiful.


(and hilarious)

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^ and depressing, too.
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