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Old Posted Oct 23, 2005, 11:36 PM
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^ and depressing, too.

The only way for Sacramento to change that is to change the way of thinking for our local elected leaders. This isn't a small town anymore and unfortunately our coucil and board of supervisors continue to act as if it still is. (the change in attitude for residential highrises withstanding)


If I were mayor.............


I would work to have more bridges constructed across the Sacramento River, so as to connect what will become an obvious expansion of downtown Sacramento.


I would invest in cultural amenities (to do that the Mayor needs to sell the idea of a hotel tax or some other tax to invest in our amenities which will help to lure more jobs etc........)

a) Performing arts center
b) an arena in the Rail Yards
c) Invest in an immediate expansion of the Riverfront Promenade.

I would actively go courting existing companies and find out what it would take (tax break incentives etc) to lure them to Sacramento. Proximity to the Capitol might illicit State help.


Mayor Fargo is no leader.
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^ also, a nationally aired commercial ad, like San Diego has. I've never even heard of Kissiminee-St Cloud before -- now everyone has. Think about it. They use to have this neat little short film that you could buy at the Visitors Center in Old Town, exemplifying Sacramento. I remember picking it up and saying to them -- "Hey, why dont you distribute these videos to all the gift stores in Old Town, instead of hiding them here in this basement you call a Visitors Center?" They looked at me with a puzzled look, as if to say, "Gee, how come WE didn't think of that?" I dont think it ever happened though!

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Old Posted Nov 2, 2005, 3:36 AM
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Anybody watching the Kings get their asses handed to them by the Hornets?
85-60 with 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Way to represent guys!
Well, at least their defense ain't so bad.
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^ Yeah but they didn't fly out until today and got into there right before the game. That is why the Kings were pissed off yesterday, but hey, just one game.
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2005, 3:52 AM
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"Just one game"

Yep, 81 more to lose - just kidding.
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2005, 3:56 AM
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Well... I don't think they were expected to win today because of their plane troubles, but by 26 points??
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I am listening to Grant Napier and the other guys on KHTK. They are saying the team (especially Mike Bibby) is just not very fast, and they may have trouble against quick players.
Wonderful! As long as the Kings do not play any team with athletic players, they should do fine.

Whatever, on to the next game.
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2005, 4:17 AM
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It seems year after year, they struggle against atheltic teams....
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Old Posted Nov 3, 2005, 6:01 AM
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Game 2: A loss 98-89

Well, at least they did not lose by 26 points.

They need to stop playing athletic teams. Oh wait, sports teams are all athletic - except for the Kings.
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They were expected to lose the first three games. So looks like probably an 0-3 start.

I see the Kings winning between 40 - 45 games this season, but they need to get started.
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More bad news for the Kings:


Sponsors bounce the Kings
Several end ties to team, threatening key revenue.
By Clint Swett and Dale Kasler -- Bee Staff Writers
Published 2:15 am PST Saturday, November 5, 2005
Story appeared on Page A1 of The Bee
Southwest Airlines, a stalwart sponsor of the Sacramento Kings for more than a decade, is one of at least four business partners who have canceled deals with the team this season, potentially cutting into an important revenue stream.

The departures, occurring as the Kings start their 21st season in Sacramento, coincide with the team's struggles to put together a deal to replace aging Arco Arena.

It also may reflect the business community's difficulties in justifying huge expenditures on sports sponsorships that can run upward of $500,000 a year.

"We work hard and do everything we can to never lose a partner," said John Thomas, president of Maloof Sports and Entertainment, which owns the Kings. "But sometimes people choose to go in a different direction. That's just part of business."

He said Maloof Sports still doesn't know if sponsorship revenue this year will be higher or lower than last season, when it totaled an estimated $18.2 million.

"It's just too early to tell" because negotiations with a number of sponsors are still under way, Thomas said. Among those said to be still negotiating their renewals are the Sacramento Municipal Utility District and Cache Creek Casino. This week, the Kings dropped longtime sponsor Pepsi Bottling Group and are negotiating with Coca-Cola to become Arco Arena's soft-drink provider.

For their money, the team's "strategic alliance partners" typically get their names on arena signs, commercials on Kings radio and television broadcasts, space in the Kings' fan magazine, and other promotional tie-ins.

Sponsorships are particularly vital for a small-market team like the Kings, which are limited in how much they can earn from ticket sales and TV revenue.

Some former sponsors contacted by The Bee said their relationship with the team had become too expensive. Others, like Southwest, said they enjoyed their relationship with the Kings but decided to alter their marketing strategy.

Andrew Zimbalist, a sports economist at Massachusetts' Smith College, said sponsors may be edging away because of the Kings' recent playoff struggles, along with the controversy over construction of a new arena and speculation that the team might leave town.

Another factor: Corporations are becoming more discriminating about who they'll sponsor and how much they'll pay.

"It's been an ongoing trend toward sponsors demanding that sports properties demonstrate a return ... some sort of quantifiable, demonstrable return," said Larry DeGaris, director of the Center for Sports Sponsorship at Virginia's James Madison University.

Andy Allmann, Southwest's senior manager for sports sponsorships, said the airline's decision not to renew its Kings deal had nothing to do with unhappiness with the team. Instead, he said, Southwest was transferring its marketing dollars to pro sports teams in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, where the airline recently established service.

"We've had a fantastic relationship with the Kings," Allmann said. "They've always been a great company to work with. It wasn't an issue of price. We just felt we needed to use the resources in other parts of our system."

He wouldn't say how much Southwest had paid the Kings for its name and image on arena signs, TV ads and other forms of advertising.

Southwest still has sponsorships with 10 NBA teams, including the Golden State Warriors, plus a separate deal with the league. Solidifying its identification with the NBA, the airline on Thursday unveiled a Boeing 737 jet painted with a flashy basketball motif.

Other sponsors are sticking with the team, including McDonald's, Raley's, The Bee and Wells Fargo.

"It's a great networking tool for us," said Bob Poole, co-owner of Dome Printing, which is entering its fifth season as a sponsor.

The company's deal includes the use of its logo on some Kings' printed material, plus four seats at every game.

Poole said his company uses those seats to entertain business clients, and also invites them to private "chalk talks" put on by Kings coaches. His deal doesn't include signage or ads on Kings broadcasts. He declined to say how much Dome pays the Kings every season.

But others say their Kings sponsorships have become too pricey.

"We didn't feel the value was there any longer," said Bruce Cooper, president of Village RV in Roseville, which decided not to renew its $250,000 sponsorship this season. "There's a lot of ways to brand your company in this town and we didn't feel (a Kings partnership) was the best way."

Tim Burke, owner of Quest Technology, a Sacramento information technology firm, said he dropped his $250,000 annual sponsorship this season when he and the Kings couldn't agree on price and other details.

Quest, however, will continue to lease a luxury box at Arco for about $250,000 a year. "For customer appreciation and employee appreciation, the suite supplies what we need," he said.

It's not only the bigger companies that have canceled deals. Men's clothier Patrick James Inc. dropped its $30,000 annual sponsorship after two years because of cost, said Patrick James Mon Pere Sr., owner of the 16-store chain based in Fresno. "We enjoyed the alliance but candidly ... it was cost-prohibitive."

Such sentiments reflect a nationwide trend of businesses reconsidering their embrace of sports, said DeGaris of James Madison University.

"Sponsors are demanding that sports properties demonstrate a return," he said. "Plus there are a number of corporations that just get sticker shock. ... They just look at the price tag and say, 'Wow, that's a lot of money.'"

Such was the case with GenCorp Inc., which, though not a sponsor, had rented a luxury suite at Arco for 17 years, until this season.

"It was an expensive proposition, and they were raising their rates," said company spokeswoman Linda Cutler, who declined to say what GenCorp had been paying.

One expert contends that a decline in sponsorships isn't necessarily bad news for a team.

"Five to 10 years ago, the idea was to get as many corporate partners on board as possible," said Dennis Howard, a professor at the Warsaw Sports Marketing Center at the University of Oregon. In recent years, he said, many teams have cut back on the number of sponsorships but charge higher fees in exchange for more benefits, such as larger signage.

Still, Howard said, "I have no idea if that's happening with the Kings."
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Quest, however, will continue to lease a luxury box at Arco for about $250,000 a year. "For customer appreciation and employee appreciation, the suite supplies what we need," he said.
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Damn its over.

Well Misery, your probably right about this. Instead of trying to craft a solution and find a way to get an Arena built, our city council has taken up debating the war in Iraq. Meanwhile the team under the control of the MaGoofs, is one step closer to moving back to Kansas City.
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If the Kings can't attract new sponsors to replace the ones who left, then it'll be a problem, but not until then.

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What's with some you guys putting bible verses at the end of your posts? Quite frankly I think its rude. I don’t think we need your not so subtle form of evangelizing on a skyscraper forum.

Is it ever conceivable to you guys that some people might not ever believe the way you do and that they are quite happy about that?Your religious fundamentalist revolution in this country has succeeded. You win. But I still won’t believe in something I know in my heart to be false. Sorry I’m so blunt but I think if you are going to put that stuff out there you deserve it.
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How about we comment on Kings/Arena news in this forum? OK?
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What's with some you guys putting bible verses at the end of your posts? Quite frankly I think its rude. I don’t think we need your not so subtle form of evangelizing on a skyscraper forum.

Is it ever conceivable to you guys that some people might not ever believe the way you do and that they are quite happy about that?Your religious fundamentalist revolution in this country has succeeded. You win. But I still won’t believe in something I know in my heart to be false. Sorry I’m so blunt but I think if you are going to put that stuff out there you deserve it.
EDIT... Trying to be a little less harsh this time.

He should be able to do whatever he wants. I know you don't agree with it, but can't you just look over it?

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What's with some you guys putting bible verses at the end of your posts? Quite frankly I think its rude. I don’t think we need your not so subtle form of evangelizing on a skyscraper forum.

Is it ever conceivable to you guys that some people might not ever believe the way you do and that they are quite happy about that?Your religious fundamentalist revolution in this country has succeeded. You win. But I still won’t believe in something I know in my heart to be false. Sorry I’m so blunt but I think if you are going to put that stuff out there you deserve it.
We know you're the open Sac liberal Ozone, but as long as your signature isn't laced with profanity, it can be whatever the member wants. It may be a private forum, but people are still allowed to express what they believe in. Why is it so bad if it's from the bible?

*on the Kings: they sell out every game; they'll find new sponsers.
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What's with some you guys putting bible verses at the end of your posts? Quite frankly I think its rude. I don’t think we need your not so subtle form of evangelizing on a skyscraper forum.

Is it ever conceivable to you guys that some people might not ever believe the way you do and that they are quite happy about that?Your religious fundamentalist revolution in this country has succeeded. You win. But I still won’t believe in something I know in my heart to be false. Sorry I’m so blunt but I think if you are going to put that stuff out there you deserve it.

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After a great deal of thought, Ozone, I've decided that removing the scripture passage simply because your offended would be wrong. Because while it may not resonate with you, maybe there's somebody who will be touched by it. If your truly offended by a message of peace as you claimed to be, then you probably need to look no further than a mirror to ask yourself why?
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