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Old Posted Nov 6, 2005, 10:56 PM
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Soooo...how bout them Kings?!
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I think they are playing Phoenix tonight. Maybe they can break the 90 point mark.
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I wonder why the sponsors are dropping?

Is it because the Kings are performing poorly?

Or are the Maloofs negociating poorly to build yet one more case to leave the City. Remember, the Commissioner wants a team here, but if the case is built that the area doesn't want the Kings...

Ok, maybe :tinfoilhat:... still...
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Having or not having the kings around has no bearing on whether I'd live in Sacramento, and I wonder how widespread that feeling is. Because if that's the case for most people, I don't see a real, concrete reason for city council to spend their time and money on it. There are other things, such as Gold Rush Park, which would have a much greater impact on quality of life. Not that I don't love the Kings; I'd be sad to see them go, but how important is it really? Maybe I'm in the minority.
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I'm becoming more inclined to let the Maloofs leave if they really want to. It'll be their bad in the end because sooner or later, SOMEONE will realize that a market of 2 million plus sits waiting for another pro franchise to come in.
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I'm becoming more inclined to let the Maloofs leave if they really want to. It'll be their bad in the end because sooner or later, SOMEONE will realize that a market of 2 million plus sits waiting for another pro franchise to come in.

If Sacramento loses the Kings, then what team would want to move into Arco? That place is a dump. Neither the city nor the county has the collective brain power to come up with a creative financing solution to construct an Arena (like San Antonio came up with). Funny that both Fresno and Stockton can build arenas, but this city has yet to construct one. (Both Arco I and II were privately financed). In a way I think having had privately financed facilities has spoiled Sacramento. Now the expectation is that it should always be privately financed. Sorry but that's not going to happen.

Secondly, the MaGoofs are just as clueless as the city and county leaders. They don't have the guts to say what they want and how much they're willing to pay. Sorry but the line that they'll pay their "fair share" doesn't work with me. They still owe the city $70 million dollars. Are we supposed to build them arena, give them control of naming rights and all concession revenue and all they chip in is $40 million dollars? No thanks.
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2005, 12:49 AM
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I'm becoming more inclined to let the Maloofs leave if they really want to.
Be careful what you wish for. The Kings may leave and leave us with nothing for a long time. If the Maloofs exit our community due to a lack of fan and business support, how will we attract another professional sports team? The area has a lot to offer, population-wise, but I don't know if it has enough money to woo a team.
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I think the Maloofs are genuine good guys, but they screwed up royally with this arena deal

They should have come out and said exactly what they would contribute. The should have said “this is how much are going to out into it” and the city would know exactly how much they need to come up with and if they feel the Kings are worth that price tag. Who knows, maybe they did and the city dropped the ball.

It seems like there was never a real starting point for any of the negotiations between the city and Maloofs.

People of Sacramento didn’t help the situation either with the absolutely no public money stuff .

In the end, the citizens, maloofs and city all have a part in this arena still in limbo
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I don't know if they're good guys or not, but I'm not sure they're the "brilliant businessmen" people think they are.

It's not been hard to get rich on casino money in Vegas in the last 15 years. This deal has not impressed me on their side at ALL.
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I wonder why the sponsors are dropping?

Is it because the Kings are performing poorly?

Or are the Maloofs negociating poorly to build yet one more case to leave the City. Remember, the Commissioner wants a team here, but if the case is built that the area doesn't want the Kings...

Ok, maybe :tinfoilhat:... still...
It's most likely not an issue of the Kings performing poorly that would make Southwest leave. It's due more likely to the value they are getting out of their sponsorship vs. the money they are shelling out. I work in advertising, and last week we were going over the 2006 budgets for one of my clients who has naming rights to a stadium and stadium sponsorships in multiple markets. Those sponsorships are amazingly expensive, and there's little to no ROI to show on them except for the fact that their name is in front of "X" number of people each year. For Southwest, I'm sure it was a product of a marketing exec for Southwest going, "wait a minute, 98% of the Sacramento market is aware of the Southwest brand, and we're spending how much to remind them of that? I'd rather sponsor a stadium in Denver, which is a new market for us, and get much more traction out of that money."

It's most likely an issue of pure economics. You're going to start to see this around the country, btw. But the Kings should be able to pick up another sponsor that it makes more sense for.
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I agree, plus southwest just made expansions into some northeast markets and they want to get there brand out up there, if Sacramento is serious about its downtown becoming a destination spot, they need to get back to the table with the maloofs, and hammer something out now, rather than later, because in the end, when the maloofs threaten to leave, the city will then be forced into a deal which will cost them a lot more, the city should be proactive, and not reactive, and the benefits to having an arena downtown will defintely help with bringing people downtown for other events as well, besides the kings and monarchs playing, there will be concerts, events, high school, maybe college playoff games, if other cities can do it and be successful then sacto can do it too
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Be careful what you wish for. The Kings may leave and leave us with nothing for a long time. If the Maloofs exit our community due to a lack of fan and business support, how will we attract another professional sports team? The area has a lot to offer, population-wise, but I don't know if it has enough money to woo a team.
I've never seen a lack of fan support in Sacramento for the Kings.


And very well said, colmonkee.
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this should help -

118-117 KINGS BABY!
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so, they did not start the season 0-3. Great.
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^ they did last year, and still won 50 games. so there.
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Nice Defense!

But a win is a win.
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^^ They were expected to start 0-3 this year, so they pulled out an unexpected win. I think that they will win between 40 and 45 this year.

I have been a King's fan since the late 70's when they played in KC.
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I don't think they were expected to lose to the Hornets. And if Bibby's assist totals go up, they'll win 50 again.
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