Calgary International Airport - Page 330

Bigtime · #**6581** Posted: **Jun 4, 2012, 3:08 PM**

Too bad, it would have been cool to have had "City of Calgary" be the one operating the flight today.

trofirhen · #**6582** Posted: **Jun 4, 2012, 5:17 PM**

Interesting; at YVR of course there are many more Asian and Oceania-bound flights than from YYC. Nevertheless, YVR service to Europe remains the same (or almost) as what you have to Europe from YYC. No more European destinations than you have, at all. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Bigtime · #**6583** Posted: **Jun 4, 2012, 5:40 PM**

So apparently the KLM 744 is a "combi" version, and is also bringing a bunch of horses here. No doubt related to Spruce Meadows.

Canadian74 · #**6584** Posted: **Jun 4, 2012, 5:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cage

1) Time period is going to be horrendous to reconstruct because of the AC-CP merger, International expansion of the new AC, and Sept 11. Also there was a lot more international charter activity at the time (and by charter I mean here today dropping off a plane load of tourists, gone tomorrow).
2) Email YYCAA and they can get the information for you.
3) D Concourse was built in stages between 2002 and 2004. Gates 40-50 oppened in Fall 2002 and Westjet was in the temporary checkin position unitl 2004. When phase 1 oppened the area around gate 31-34 was gutted, rebuilt, and expanded. Phase 2 was opened in late 2004.

But getting back to question 1. International scheduled operations for 1999 were AC to LHR and FRA, CP to LHR. As mentioned above Canada 3000, Air Transat, Monarch, Edelweiss, and host of other charters flew into YYC from throughout Europe. US Transborder was AC to LAX, SFO, ORD, IAH. CP/AA to DFW, ORD, LAX, PHX. UA to DEN and ORD. NW to MSP. DL to SLC. AS to SEA and LAX. HP (America West) to PHX and LAS.

Thanks to you and others that have answered the questions. What equipment were AC and CP using to Europe?

Thanks again.

Bigtime · #**6585** Posted: **Jun 4, 2012, 5:48 PM**

I remember AC was using the A343's on the Frankfurt and London routes, although the 333 may have been replacing them around that time. I flew to FRA twice on the 343. There was also a point where AC used the 744 on the LHR route, summer only if I recall correctly.

I'm thinking CP was mainly 763, although there could have been the odd DC-10 in there.

Cage · #**6586** Posted: **Jun 4, 2012, 6:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Canadian74

Thanks to you and others that have answered the questions. What equipment were AC and CP using to Europe?

Thanks again.

Your welcome.

AC was using 343 to LHR and FRA, then switched FRA to 763 and LHR to the 333 at about summer 2002/03 timeframe. For a brief period (I think summer 2002 or maybe even 2003) the new AC had 744 to LHR and FRA.

Cage · #**6587** Posted: **Jun 4, 2012, 7:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

So apparently the KLM 744 is a "combi" version, and is also bringing a bunch of horses here. No doubt related to Spruce Meadows.

Definitely Sruce Meadows Traffic. I believe the National is about to start up.

For KLM Cargo to actively work towards this traffic, somebody needs a trip to the woodshed. Pure freighter is the only way to go for horses. Putting horses onto the pax scheduled flight puts the overall flight at risk for delays (as well as customer connections). Horses are an issue because they are easily spooked, plus their trainers and other handlers are overly protective of them. For most cargo loading onto the aircraft is: push, spin, lift, spin, onto aircraft, side into position. For horses its push (but not too hard or fast), spin after five minute worry from the handler, check animal. Lift, check animal, slide, check animal, adjust position. check animal. You guys get the picture.

CalgaryLankan · #**6588** Posted: **Jun 4, 2012, 8:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cage

Definitely Sruce Meadows Traffic. I believe the National is about to start up.

For KLM Cargo to actively work towards this traffic, somebody needs a trip to the woodshed. Pure freighter is the only way to go for horses. Putting horses onto the pax scheduled flight puts the overall flight at risk for delays (as well as customer connections). Horses are an issue because they are easily spooked, plus their trainers and other handlers are overly protective of them. For most cargo loading onto the aircraft is: push, spin, lift, spin, onto aircraft, side into position. For horses its push (but not too hard or fast), spin after five minute worry from the handler, check animal. Lift, check animal, slide, check animal, adjust position. check animal. You guys get the picture.

Not sure if this a horse carrier. The initial aircraft left gate at 12.30 PM on-time and returned to gate at 13.10 (for some reason) and then left again left at 13.58. If they did change the equipment, no way they can load/unload horses. Also return flight from YYC is now re-scheduled at 16.40, again no time to unload horses unless they just walk out of the plane in the passenger terminal

. If this a horse carrier combi, I assum they tow the aircraft to cargo area, unload animals and give a good clean-up before moving it back to terminal.

http://www.klm.com/travel/ca_en/prep...ures/index.htm

Cage · #**6589** Posted: **Jun 4, 2012, 8:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by CalgaryLankan

Not sure if this a horse carrier. The initial aircraft left gate at 12.30 PM on-time and returned to gate at 13.10 (for some reason) and then left again left at 13.58. If they did change the equipment, no way they can load/unload horses. Also return flight from YYC is now re-scheduled at 16.40, again no time to unload horses unless they just walk out of the plane in the passenger terminal

. If this a horse carrier combi, I assum they tow the aircraft to cargo area, unload animals and give a good clean-up before moving it back to terminal.

http://www.klm.com/travel/ca_en/prep...ures/index.htm

The 40 min delay is a classic pilot and rampie trick for ontime departure. Close the doors and release the break (with the aircraft relying on pushback tug for stabilization) will cause the onboard systems to register a departure. Return to gate is sometimes a manual correction to the computer systems.

Just saw KL677 land using 16, I'm too far awaya to tell the aircraft type for sure, but it looks more like a 744 than standard 330. Would need closer inspection to determine the exact type.

Edit to Add: The horses and their self contained carriers will be offloaded at the gate and then transported to the live cargo shed where they will be taken out of the carrier and loaded onto standard commercial horse container for transport to Spruce Meadows. Expect afternoon commute on deerfoot to be a little more smelly than usual.

On the issue of horse loading, my earlier reference to taking the cargo lead salesman out to the woodshed explains both the delay and your naivity (again in my most humble of opinion). In most cases the cargo form a combi can be loaded and unloaded within a normal turnaround time. However horses are a special consideration and then show horses even more special. The problems include: Horses are easily spooked, cannot be drugged, have handlers that think nothing of causing massive delays to the schedule. It's for these reasons why most cargo handlers will surcharge horse transport to oblivion.

Bokimon · #**6590** Posted: **Jun 5, 2012, 12:33 AM**

Damn looks like my flightaware notifications did not work properly or else I would of made it out. Hopefully somebody got some pics, I think Kris was working so he might of snapped some shots.

1999-2000 days of int'l flights.
I don't think AC did 747s until after the merger and around 2002.
Canadian also did Tokyo with the DC10 for a season, I think it was CP015.
The LHR flights were the CP097/096 which also had the DC10, boy gotta love them.
Airtours Int'l had 763 and DC10 as well. I'd kill to see a tarmac with CP and Airtours DC10's sitting side by side. Actually Airtours/Mytravel DC10's lasted for a few years.
Transat had its L1011-1/500 and I also miss those dearly. All 3 airlines side by side.. drool**

Somebody mentioned C3 and its A330 flights to europe and hawaii.
Britannia flew B762ER to Manchester in 1999, and ATA had the odd L1011-1 Charters.
NW had its 727's & DC9 running amok. Awesome memories.
Monarch had been flying to YYC for years, only lately that have stopped.
Corsair was also a regular including GSEX and its hot lips.

These are all from my old airliners.net pics I put up back then. There's probably a few more which I cannot recall. Aeromexico maybe.

RedStar · #**6591** Posted: **Jun 5, 2012, 1:49 PM**

PH-BFM by Wee in YYC, on Flickr

CalgaryLankan · #**6592** Posted: **Jun 5, 2012, 2:44 PM**

As per Flightradar24 and KLM website today's KLM 677 also a B744 - PH-BFH named City of Hong Kong with KLM Asia Livery.

http://www.flightradar24.com/#!/2012-06-05/10:56/KLM677

Bigtime · #**6593** Posted: **Jun 5, 2012, 3:30 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by CalgaryLankan

As per Flightradar24 and KLM website today's KLM 677 also a B744 - PH-BFH named City of Hong Kong with KLM Asia Livery.

http://www.flightradar24.com/#!/2012-06-05/10:56/KLM677

Do we know if this is a combi 744 as well? If so it would pretty much confirm that these are being used as horse charters for Spruce Meadows (while having the usual pax on board too).

Mazrim · #**6594** Posted: **Jun 5, 2012, 6:29 PM**

I was fortunate enough to be able to attend a site tour of the RFP/IFP/Tunnel projects last week. I figured you guys wouldn't mind seeing some pictures of it!

It's really hard to fathom the size of this whole project until you're driving around the runway site and all you can see around is earth moving equipment and dirt as far as you can see. I couldn't get close enough to the IFP to get a good picture, but the forest of columns seemed to go for forever. It seems so huge compared to the rest of the airport.

No pictures of the runway earthworks in general because it would be hard to show anything particularly interesting. It's just a ton of dirt being moved all over the freaking place.

Photos are spoilered for huge/lazy.

MonctonGoldenFlames · #**6595** Posted: **Jun 5, 2012, 6:40 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazrim

I was fortunate enough to be able to attend a site tour of the RFP/IFP/Tunnel projects last week. I figured you guys wouldn't mind seeing some pictures of it!

It's really hard to fathom the size of this whole project until you're driving around the runway site and all you can see around is earth moving equipment and dirt as far as you can see. I couldn't get close enough to the IFP to get a good picture, but the forest of columns seemed to go for forever. It seems so huge compared to the rest of the airport.

No pictures of the runway earthworks in general because it would be hard to show anything particularly interesting. It's just a ton of dirt being moved all over the freaking place.

Photos are spoilered for huge/lazy.

great update, thank you!

You Need A Thneed · #**6596** Posted: **Jun 5, 2012, 7:41 PM**

Awesome update, Mazrim!

KrisYYC · #**6597** Posted: **Jun 5, 2012, 10:27 PM**

Here's a few of my crappy iphone pics of the 744 combi that was here yesterday. Indeed it was carrying horses for Spruce Meadows.

CalgaryLankan · #**6598** Posted: **Jun 6, 2012, 2:10 AM**

There is no AC850 today (YYC- LHR) in AC timetable, or in yyc.com or in Flightaware.com. 77W arrived but no sign of departure. Looks like it is not planned for today at all.

YYCguys · #**6599** Posted: **Jun 6, 2012, 2:45 AM**

Where is the regional area going to be located at YYC? And where are regional aircraft currently parking due to IFP construction seemingly edging them out of their current parking area?

By David Parker, Calgary Herald June 5, 2012

Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/Claire+...#ixzz1wyhszXtm

Sahuri has grown over the past few years to employ a staff of 32 who enjoy working on a variety of projects.

A significant new client is the Calgary Airport Authority, which has contracted the firm to design four new gates at the regional terminal.

Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/Claire+...#ixzz1wyhfRZ9q

Bigtime · #**6600** Posted: **Jun 6, 2012, 12:43 PM**

KLM landing yesterday with a bonus view of the new ATC tower:

KLM 747-406 (PH-BFG) by BigtimeYYC, on Flickr