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Old Posted Jan 5, 2009, 6:43 AM
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I noticed on the planning and zoning site for the city.. that the 57 unit apartment complex on front street was seeking an extension until May.. maybe we'll hear more about it in the near future.. specifics that is..

Also, the hospital off fairview in the west end has asked for a year extension.. as well as the whole foods complex... documentation for their extension still says it will be a 17 story hotel...

Also, I noticed that there is a six story office building requesting design review at 420 4th street off of broad street... which would be near the new idaho independent bank building.. anyone know anything about this? it says that the building will have restaurants, parking, retail and office.. and is slated to be 98' in height... which is pretty small.. but is certainly fit for density in that area...

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Lol...

"It would not surprise me if Boise became the most populated city proper in the northwest in 20-30 years."

I will take that bet on what would not surprise you. This is not a slam because Boise will become the next city to have impact in the west.

However, Seattle and Portland are going to inner city urbanize. They both have so much potential and both cities know how to urbanize with style and class.

Boise has a long way to go. Beautiful city but as far as core population, you would have to strike gold and have a gold rush to match either Portland or Seattle. However, it is not 1849.
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2009, 9:43 PM
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"It would not surprise me if Boise became the most populated city proper in the northwest in 20-30 years."

I will take that bet on what would not surprise you. This is not a slam because Boise will become the next city to have impact in the west.

However, Seattle and Portland are going to inner city urbanize. They both have so much potential and both cities know how to urbanize with style and class.

Boise has a long way to go. Beautiful city but as far as core population, you would have to strike gold and have a gold rush to match either Portland or Seattle. However, it is not 1849.
don't be a turd....your comments and reflections on things seems to mirror those of another regular poster from salt lake... I also find it very amusing that looking at your comment history.. almost all of your posts are in salt lake related threads.. yet no discussion about things in or near where you SAY you live... I'm all about discussion...of developement.. and what if's.. and what not.. but I certainly would be more interested in having an HONEST discussion.. which includes.. representing yourself accordingly on here... Until then.. I'll just interpret your handle and comments as "that other person's" alter ego... who happens to be a troll

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has nothing to do with urbanization...but rather sprawl.. the city can grow in huge numbers if it can annex large amounts of land..which is what it is doing.. which is why phoenix ballooned to 5th largest city in the US... that's what I'm referring to...seattle has remained between 500-600K for over 25-30 years....because it is landlocked and relies on infill...
A city can grow in population much faster if developers can throw up 20,000 houses and the city can just annex it all...
There is over 20,000 houses proposed south of boise already.. somewhere in the works..

I'm not comparing the cities... I'm contrasting them...
why seattle and portland have better skylines and urban appeal than phoenix.. with 1/3 of phoenix's population is what I'm saying.. I don't want boise to become phoenix

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"It would not surprise me if Boise became the most populated city proper in the northwest in 20-30 years."

I will take that bet on what would not surprise you. This is not a slam because Boise will become the next city to have impact in the west.

However, Seattle and Portland are going to inner city urbanize. They both have so much potential and both cities know how to urbanize with style and class.

Boise has a long way to go. Beautiful city but as far as core population, you would have to strike gold and have a gold rush to match either Portland or Seattle. However, it is not 1849.
Oh, but there is gold in the mountains near Boise and a controversial new gold mine is in the works...so who knows what the future holds. After all, one of the richest Gold rushes' in North America took place in the mountains outside of Boise towards Idaho City--the mountains here are Rich. Boise grew in her early history as a gold rush supply town for Idaho City and Idaho City at one time was the largest city in the Northwest--even more populated then Portland or Seattle.
Seattle and Portland are in a complete league of their own and no other city in the mountain west region can even compare to them except for maybe Denver and of course little old Boise which is often called a small Portland--but it is a Northwest thing and if you don't live in the Northwest you wouldn't understand.
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2009, 10:20 PM
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Oh, but there is gold in the mountains near Boise and a controversial new gold mine is in the works...so who knows what the future holds. After all, one of the richest Gold rushes' in North America took place in the mountains outside of Boise towards Idaho City--the mountains here are Rich. Boise grew in her early history as a gold rush supply town for Idaho City and Idaho City at one time was the largest city in the Northwest--even more populated then Portland or Seattle.
Seattle and Portland are in a complete league of their own and no other city in the mountain west region can even compare to them except for maybe Denver and of course little old Boise which is often called a small Portland--but it is a Northwest thing and if you don't live in the Northwest you wouldn't understand.
I agree, I actually moved to boise from seattle, so I understand what you're saying.
Boise and Portland are so similar in many ways... Boise now is what portland was in the 1970. It would explain why many developers FROM portland have moved to boise. I remember reading in the statesman, that nathan hale who is developing the linen district here in boise, and moved here from portland said the appeal of boise was that it was so similar to portland.. that he could bring what he learned and implement it here so easily
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yeah, if I remember correctly a Portland developer purchased the land and rights where the Met Condos are supposed to be built on Idaho and 15th.
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has anyone heard anything about the 6 story building on 4th and broad streets earlier mentioned? I wonder if it is seperate or a scaled down version of the 12 story mystery building proposed on broad street???
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"It would not surprise me if Boise became the most populated city proper in the northwest in 20-30 years."

I will take that bet on what would not surprise you. This is not a slam because Boise will become the next city to have impact in the west.

However, Seattle and Portland are going to inner city urbanize. They both have so much potential and both cities know how to urbanize with style and class.

Boise has a long way to go. Beautiful city but as far as core population, you would have to strike gold and have a gold rush to match either Portland or Seattle. However, it is not 1849.


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I smell multiple stinky fish and not just one fish but many and they are not prized Idaho Trout or Salmon or Sturgeon but many multiple stinky irrigation canal type fish, a type of fish that you would want to catch and release and not because it is the law but because you want to.
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After reading through some posts in other threads this morning it is soooooooo obvious someone has gone koo-koo



But back to development----a link to some info about the new Eagle/Star hi tech corridor.

www.estech.org


http://www.idahostatesman.com/busine...ry/625552.html




This is a page from the www.estech.org website.


Boise doesn't like to boast, but...

Ranked no. 2 in Forbes magazine, in association with The Pacific Research Institute, in the team's 2008 report of the U. S. Economic Freedom Index in assessing the State based on how friendly state government policies are toward free enterprise and consumer choice (November, 2008)
Ranked No. 4 by Kiplinger’s Personal Finance magazine out of ten U. S. cities for "Best Cities for 2008"
Ranked no. 8 of Best Places to Live by Money magazine in July, 2006
Ranked in the Top 10 Places for Outdoor Activities by Sperling's Best Places in October, 2005
Ranked No. 4 as the Best Walking City in the U.S. by Prevention magazine in April 2006.
Ranked No. 1 by Forbes magazine in its 2005 Best Places for Business and Careers.
Ranked No. 2 by Inc. magazine in its 2005 Best Places rankings for job growth.
Ranked No. 1 by Bike magazine for best places to live and bike in 2003.
Named one of the hottest tech cities by Newsweek magazine in 1998.
...there IS a reason for all the attention.
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 2:01 AM
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aspen condo's are nearing completion.. there was a picture tour on KTVB. For those of you who are not familiar with the project. It is the 17 story condo skinny tower connected to the Bodo developement. It is the building in many of sawtooth's pictures that is under construction

http://www.ktvb.com/perl/common/slid...7&nextimage=26
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Those rankings are nice but they aren't equaling jobs at the moment. Most Micron people really have nowhere to go, including my family who is trying not to leave but may have to. It'd be nice if some new business came into town because I really want to be able to visit my family in Boise.
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I would kill to have a view like that.
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so im really curious about what the backside of the aspen is going to look like, looking at pics and in person downtown it looks like all the glass is on one side and whats lookin like it will be a bunch of balconies with walls and small windows on the side facing the connector. and id hate to drive into downtown seeing the back ugly side of a totally awesome building, any of you guys know anything??

oh by the way hi everyone im new been watching this boise forum for about 3 years now and finally was just able to join, it used to not like my email address but woot im finally here
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 7:31 AM
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so im really curious about what the backside of the aspen is going to look like, looking at pics and in person downtown it looks like all the glass is on one side and whats lookin like it will be a bunch of balconies with walls and small windows on the side facing the connector. and id hate to drive into downtown seeing the back ugly side of a totally awesome building, any of you guys know anything??

oh by the way hi everyone im new been watching this boise forum for about 3 years now and finally was just able to join, it used to not like my email address but woot im finally here
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I don't particularly like the back side of the aspen either...
to give you an idea of what it will look like when it's done...
go here.. its a 3d model flyby video
http://www.theaspen.net/aspen-movie.html
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Thanks for the link, oh man thats too bad. its nice that they put some color on the back side but couldnt get away from the tan beige brown thing we got going on in downtown already oh well either way i cant complain cause something finally got built thats taller than 5 or so floors. im also happy it never got scaled back like the banner bank building did.
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 8:11 AM
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Thanks for the link, oh man thats too bad. its nice that they put some color on the back side but couldnt get away from the tan beige brown thing we got going on in downtown already oh well either way i cant complain cause something finally got built thats taller than 5 or so floors. im also happy it never got scaled back like the banner bank building did.
I agree... the back side of the aspen could have been done better.. I'm curious to see what the library blocks are going to look like. I think it is a fantastic proposal to build off of bodo...I hope there's atleast one good tower in the proposal... I'm sick of this 5-10 story shit... But I wonder if the market is there for condo sales.

also, I've wondered about the housing initiatives in boise. I know they are pushing for affordable housing, but what about affordable rent? I know civic plaza caters to low income tenants.. and they're looking to expand. I don't know what sort of incentive local government provides for that. most likely probably idaho housing. I just know that in other countries where things are a little more socialist.. large scale highrise developements are subsidized to provide affordable housing.. and promote sustainability in an urban setting... I don't know if anything like that is possible in the US.. but it certainly would be nice...
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The Capitol Terrace Apartments, if they ever get built, are supposed to have affordable "work force housing". They should also do a good job of blocking that 4th floor view from the Aspen that Bronco(bsu) Fan posted. Another round of lawsuits?

Capitol Terrace - http://www.parklaneco.com/cta.php
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I totally agree with you on the library blocks project. Bodo was huge for bringing people back to downtown and great for the people that were already there, the only thing i would wanna see change is the design. I wasnt liking the way it looked from what they put in the newspaper, IMO i think it should be more modern and not brick or brown/tan/beige/any others that fit the category if changed dont get me wrong old style and brick is rad but with the library blocks being so close to bodo it might be too much in one spot.

As for the affordable "rent" as you said , this is a great point, im nowhere near coming close to being able to afford a condo let alone penthouse in a high rise downtown but it would totally be awesome to expand the civic plaza or even bring more apartments directly to the downtown area especially in high rise form. Im in a house right now and would leave it in a heartbeat if an affordable mid or highrise apartment building found its way to the downtown core.

As for the Capital Terrace housing, well with lawsuits hey, you bought a place in the middle of downtown, buildings get built in downtown, lol you'd think people would realize that i moved to boise from new york city a while back if i was going to move into a building like the aspen it would not just be for the mountains but the downtown scene as well but then again thats just me so who knows
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I totally agree with you on the library blocks project. Bodo was huge for bringing people back to downtown and great for the people that were already there, the only thing i would wanna see change is the design. I wasnt liking the way it looked from what they put in the newspaper, IMO i think it should be more modern and not brick or brown/tan/beige/any others that fit the category if changed dont get me wrong old style and brick is rad but with the library blocks being so close to bodo it might be too much in one spot.

As for the affordable "rent" as you said , this is a great point, im nowhere near coming close to being able to afford a condo let alone penthouse in a high rise downtown but it would totally be awesome to expand the civic plaza or even bring more apartments directly to the downtown area especially in high rise form. Im in a house right now and would leave it in a heartbeat if an affordable mid or highrise apartment building found its way to the downtown core.

As for the Capital Terrace housing, well with lawsuits hey, you bought a place in the middle of downtown, buildings get built in downtown, lol you'd think people would realize that i moved to boise from new york city a while back if i was going to move into a building like the aspen it would not just be for the mountains but the downtown scene as well but then again thats just me so who knows

exactly.. in seattle if you want views of the street and city down below.. buy a condo in a 10-20 story building... if you want views of the olympic mountains and puget sound.. you better move up.. lol...
The thing that is most telling about boise is that the average household is right at 2 people.. which is considerably lower than meridian or nampa.. that means many people living in boise are young professionals.. single or not without kids, or empty nesters.. this provides the perfect demographic for urban developement. If it wasn't for the mortgage mess, who knows the economy could still be decent and people would be in the market for buying a condo.. Now I don't know.. seems getting people downtown is the priority.. and if that means large complexes that are primarily rentals.. then so be it..
there are plenty of apartment plex's around boise.. the city should be encouraging it to be in and around downtown..and more dense... rather than these 4 story apartment complexes out on overland or Maple Grove..too many people live in that style of apartments... if you're going to share a wall with neighbors.. and listen to people above you walking.. you might as well be down where shit is.. rather than out in car dependent neighbourhoods.. just doesn't make sense to me
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The Capitol Terrace Apartments, if they ever get built, are supposed to have affordable "work force housing". They should also do a good job of blocking that 4th floor view from the Aspen that Bronco(bsu) Fan posted. Another round of lawsuits?

Capitol Terrace - http://www.parklaneco.com/cta.php
If anything, it makes the view all that much better, except that it blocks the capital. I actually like the design, even though it uses stucco, and think that it would be a great fit and would add to the vibrancy that is already there.
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