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Old Posted Jan 8, 2009, 2:27 AM
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"It would not surprise me if Boise became the most populated city proper in the northwest in 20-30 years."

I will take that bet on what would not surprise you. This is not a slam because Boise will become the next city to have impact in the west.

However, Seattle and Portland are going to inner city urbanize. They both have so much potential and both cities know how to urbanize with style and class.

Boise has a long way to go. Beautiful city but as far as core population, you would have to strike gold and have a gold rush to match either Portland or Seattle. However, it is not 1849.


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After reading through some posts in other threads this morning it is soooooooo obvious someone has gone koo-koo



But back to development----a link to some info about the new Eagle/Star hi tech corridor.

www.estech.org


http://www.idahostatesman.com/busine...ry/625552.html




This is a page from the www.estech.org website.


Boise doesn't like to boast, but...

Ranked no. 2 in Forbes magazine, in association with The Pacific Research Institute, in the team's 2008 report of the U. S. Economic Freedom Index in assessing the State based on how friendly state government policies are toward free enterprise and consumer choice (November, 2008)
Ranked No. 4 by Kiplinger’s Personal Finance magazine out of ten U. S. cities for "Best Cities for 2008"
Ranked no. 8 of Best Places to Live by Money magazine in July, 2006
Ranked in the Top 10 Places for Outdoor Activities by Sperling's Best Places in October, 2005
Ranked No. 4 as the Best Walking City in the U.S. by Prevention magazine in April 2006.
Ranked No. 1 by Forbes magazine in its 2005 Best Places for Business and Careers.
Ranked No. 2 by Inc. magazine in its 2005 Best Places rankings for job growth.
Ranked No. 1 by Bike magazine for best places to live and bike in 2003.
Named one of the hottest tech cities by Newsweek magazine in 1998.
...there IS a reason for all the attention.
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 2:01 AM
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aspen condo's are nearing completion.. there was a picture tour on KTVB. For those of you who are not familiar with the project. It is the 17 story condo skinny tower connected to the Bodo developement. It is the building in many of sawtooth's pictures that is under construction

http://www.ktvb.com/perl/common/slid...7&nextimage=26
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 5:47 AM
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Those rankings are nice but they aren't equaling jobs at the moment. Most Micron people really have nowhere to go, including my family who is trying not to leave but may have to. It'd be nice if some new business came into town because I really want to be able to visit my family in Boise.
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 5:51 AM
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I would kill to have a view like that.
Its looking good so far
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 7:22 AM
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so im really curious about what the backside of the aspen is going to look like, looking at pics and in person downtown it looks like all the glass is on one side and whats lookin like it will be a bunch of balconies with walls and small windows on the side facing the connector. and id hate to drive into downtown seeing the back ugly side of a totally awesome building, any of you guys know anything??

oh by the way hi everyone im new been watching this boise forum for about 3 years now and finally was just able to join, it used to not like my email address but woot im finally here
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 7:31 AM
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so im really curious about what the backside of the aspen is going to look like, looking at pics and in person downtown it looks like all the glass is on one side and whats lookin like it will be a bunch of balconies with walls and small windows on the side facing the connector. and id hate to drive into downtown seeing the back ugly side of a totally awesome building, any of you guys know anything??

oh by the way hi everyone im new been watching this boise forum for about 3 years now and finally was just able to join, it used to not like my email address but woot im finally here
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I don't particularly like the back side of the aspen either...
to give you an idea of what it will look like when it's done...
go here.. its a 3d model flyby video
http://www.theaspen.net/aspen-movie.html
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 7:41 AM
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Thanks for the link, oh man thats too bad. its nice that they put some color on the back side but couldnt get away from the tan beige brown thing we got going on in downtown already oh well either way i cant complain cause something finally got built thats taller than 5 or so floors. im also happy it never got scaled back like the banner bank building did.
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 8:11 AM
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Thanks for the link, oh man thats too bad. its nice that they put some color on the back side but couldnt get away from the tan beige brown thing we got going on in downtown already oh well either way i cant complain cause something finally got built thats taller than 5 or so floors. im also happy it never got scaled back like the banner bank building did.
I agree... the back side of the aspen could have been done better.. I'm curious to see what the library blocks are going to look like. I think it is a fantastic proposal to build off of bodo...I hope there's atleast one good tower in the proposal... I'm sick of this 5-10 story shit... But I wonder if the market is there for condo sales.

also, I've wondered about the housing initiatives in boise. I know they are pushing for affordable housing, but what about affordable rent? I know civic plaza caters to low income tenants.. and they're looking to expand. I don't know what sort of incentive local government provides for that. most likely probably idaho housing. I just know that in other countries where things are a little more socialist.. large scale highrise developements are subsidized to provide affordable housing.. and promote sustainability in an urban setting... I don't know if anything like that is possible in the US.. but it certainly would be nice...
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 9:02 AM
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The Capitol Terrace Apartments, if they ever get built, are supposed to have affordable "work force housing". They should also do a good job of blocking that 4th floor view from the Aspen that Bronco(bsu) Fan posted. Another round of lawsuits?

Capitol Terrace - http://www.parklaneco.com/cta.php
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 9:09 AM
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I totally agree with you on the library blocks project. Bodo was huge for bringing people back to downtown and great for the people that were already there, the only thing i would wanna see change is the design. I wasnt liking the way it looked from what they put in the newspaper, IMO i think it should be more modern and not brick or brown/tan/beige/any others that fit the category if changed dont get me wrong old style and brick is rad but with the library blocks being so close to bodo it might be too much in one spot.

As for the affordable "rent" as you said , this is a great point, im nowhere near coming close to being able to afford a condo let alone penthouse in a high rise downtown but it would totally be awesome to expand the civic plaza or even bring more apartments directly to the downtown area especially in high rise form. Im in a house right now and would leave it in a heartbeat if an affordable mid or highrise apartment building found its way to the downtown core.

As for the Capital Terrace housing, well with lawsuits hey, you bought a place in the middle of downtown, buildings get built in downtown, lol you'd think people would realize that i moved to boise from new york city a while back if i was going to move into a building like the aspen it would not just be for the mountains but the downtown scene as well but then again thats just me so who knows
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 9:54 AM
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I totally agree with you on the library blocks project. Bodo was huge for bringing people back to downtown and great for the people that were already there, the only thing i would wanna see change is the design. I wasnt liking the way it looked from what they put in the newspaper, IMO i think it should be more modern and not brick or brown/tan/beige/any others that fit the category if changed dont get me wrong old style and brick is rad but with the library blocks being so close to bodo it might be too much in one spot.

As for the affordable "rent" as you said , this is a great point, im nowhere near coming close to being able to afford a condo let alone penthouse in a high rise downtown but it would totally be awesome to expand the civic plaza or even bring more apartments directly to the downtown area especially in high rise form. Im in a house right now and would leave it in a heartbeat if an affordable mid or highrise apartment building found its way to the downtown core.

As for the Capital Terrace housing, well with lawsuits hey, you bought a place in the middle of downtown, buildings get built in downtown, lol you'd think people would realize that i moved to boise from new york city a while back if i was going to move into a building like the aspen it would not just be for the mountains but the downtown scene as well but then again thats just me so who knows

exactly.. in seattle if you want views of the street and city down below.. buy a condo in a 10-20 story building... if you want views of the olympic mountains and puget sound.. you better move up.. lol...
The thing that is most telling about boise is that the average household is right at 2 people.. which is considerably lower than meridian or nampa.. that means many people living in boise are young professionals.. single or not without kids, or empty nesters.. this provides the perfect demographic for urban developement. If it wasn't for the mortgage mess, who knows the economy could still be decent and people would be in the market for buying a condo.. Now I don't know.. seems getting people downtown is the priority.. and if that means large complexes that are primarily rentals.. then so be it..
there are plenty of apartment plex's around boise.. the city should be encouraging it to be in and around downtown..and more dense... rather than these 4 story apartment complexes out on overland or Maple Grove..too many people live in that style of apartments... if you're going to share a wall with neighbors.. and listen to people above you walking.. you might as well be down where shit is.. rather than out in car dependent neighbourhoods.. just doesn't make sense to me
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The Capitol Terrace Apartments, if they ever get built, are supposed to have affordable "work force housing". They should also do a good job of blocking that 4th floor view from the Aspen that Bronco(bsu) Fan posted. Another round of lawsuits?

Capitol Terrace - http://www.parklaneco.com/cta.php
If anything, it makes the view all that much better, except that it blocks the capital. I actually like the design, even though it uses stucco, and think that it would be a great fit and would add to the vibrancy that is already there.
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Capital Terrace has some stuff going for it, its not brown and if it is affordable then that should help but it seems with all those 4 story apartment complexes that are out in the west end are there for the people that want new "nice" overly expensive alternatives to houses. if there is one thing with people its that its gotta be brand new and in the burbs, another problem at getting people to move to downtown is the fact that all the growth has mainly moved towards meridian and there are way more jobs in that area rather than to the south and east which makes downtown not the normal centralized area that it normally is in most cities. i think if it was more centralized we would have a larger and more full downtown than we already do. however im sure that with the 20,000 or so homes planned for south and east of town that will happen it will just take time
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Capital Terrace has some stuff going for it, its not brown and if it is affordable then that should help but it seems with all those 4 story apartment complexes that are out in the west end are there for the people that want new "nice" overly expensive alternatives to houses. if there is one thing with people its that its gotta be brand new and in the burbs, another problem at getting people to move to downtown is the fact that all the growth has mainly moved towards meridian and there are way more jobs in that area rather than to the south and east which makes downtown not the normal centralized area that it normally is in most cities. i think if it was more centralized we would have a larger and more full downtown than we already do. however im sure that with the 20,000 or so homes planned for south and east of town that will happen it will just take time
I don't think promoting sprawl on the east and south side of town is going to promote downtown in terms of balancing out downtown's positioning...
I think it's a matter of making downtown the cultural, employment, civic center for the valley is what will make or break downtown... with more retail, developements, and light rail.. will attract more employers.. and more commuters into downtown for work. I mean as it stands now 45,000 people commute into downtown each day for work.. I still think that is BY FAR the largest employment base in the state. even if it is not in the center of the metro area.. But you're right in that meridian is certainly poised to be good competition for downtown in the near future. That is why proper infrastructure in and around the downtown area is so important.. it is what sets it apart from eagle/fairview corridor.
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Well i didnt really mean sprawl towards the south and east but building up what we already have there, because downtown i think already has the cultural side set, the employment could be increased but it costs so much to take up property or lease stuff that it seems that its mainly just corporate people. Moreso what i was talking about with the work force is the non professional jobs in places like call centers and stores in strip malls and such that are littered everywhere in the west side of town but dont really exist on the east and south side of town. Infrastructure will make a huge difference but only if they do it right, that light rail thing theyre planning for downtown is a joke, the same with the bus system unfortunately, however it also seems that the people of our suburbs are too proud to leave their vehicles and use mass transit anyways which sucks for trying to establish something that works well. Not sure if you guys have seen the fastracks light rail system in Denver, but its sweet, i think boise could really gain something from that, they have it set to where there is lightrail running from downtown all the way to the south E-470 on I-25 and they are going to be expanding it a lot more as well, and its cheap for riders. If we could get something like that to run along 84 from nampa or caldwell into downtown boise that would make a huge impact especially if they do the smart thing and incorporate smarts and put a lot of well placed stops where people would actually go and get on, and i can safely say id ride the crap out of it haha. If you havent seen their system check it out its amazing, boise could learn a lot before they make any mistakes that will cost them big in the future
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Well i didnt really mean sprawl towards the south and east but building up what we already have there, because downtown i think already has the cultural side set, the employment could be increased but it costs so much to take up property or lease stuff that it seems that its mainly just corporate people. Moreso what i was talking about with the work force is the non professional jobs in places like call centers and stores in strip malls and such that are littered everywhere in the west side of town but dont really exist on the east and south side of town. Infrastructure will make a huge difference but only if they do it right, that light rail thing theyre planning for downtown is a joke, the same with the bus system unfortunately, however it also seems that the people of our suburbs are too proud to leave their vehicles and use mass transit anyways which sucks for trying to establish something that works well. Not sure if you guys have seen the fastracks light rail system in Denver, but its sweet, i think boise could really gain something from that, they have it set to where there is lightrail running from downtown all the way to the south E-470 on I-25 and they are going to be expanding it a lot more as well, and its cheap for riders. If we could get something like that to run along 84 from nampa or caldwell into downtown boise that would make a huge impact especially if they do the smart thing and incorporate smarts and put a lot of well placed stops where people would actually go and get on, and i can safely say id ride the crap out of it haha. If you havent seen their system check it out its amazing, boise could learn a lot before they make any mistakes that will cost them big in the future
I see what you're saying.... I would agree....
what is so ridiculous is that the city actually owns a rail corridor from downtown nampa, by the idaho centre, through downtown Meridian, eagle road to boise towne square to the depot and out to micron... all they got to do is throw a friggin train on it.. and build stops and platforms...
Many cities would Kill for having this EXISTING corridor... yet boise fails to make anything happen with it because the state legislature won't let us vote to tax ourselves to pay for it. Now how fuckin retarded is that??? excuse my language.. but seriously... people need to quit voting for someone just because they have a red R by their name.. because 9 times out of ten it's some pot bellied cowboy hat sportin rancher or farmer that doesn't know shit..
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Well, that would take getting the GOP Legislative members to cooperate with Democratic Boise, which doesn't look like it will happen anytime soon, because of differences and issues on both sides. We can't even get the Legislature to allow us to form a local-tax option to pay for it, which is why our bus system is an absolute joke right now. We've got a long way to go if we want to "fix" the Valley's transit situation.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2009, 1:26 AM
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Well, that would take getting the GOP Legislative members to cooperate with Democratic Boise, which doesn't look like it will happen anytime soon, because of differences and issues on both sides. We can't even get the Legislature to allow us to form a local-tax option to pay for it, which is why our bus system is an absolute joke right now. We've got a long way to go if we want to "fix" the Valley's transit situation.
It's more than just "getting along" fact of the matter, 1/3 of the legislature is democratic.. and 95 percent of that 1/3 is boise... it is no secret that the republican majority hates boise, and does not like the idea of doing much of anything for boise. It goes beyond party lines and into industry and lobying groups.. where most of the republican controlled legislature is in the pockets of argri-business..
As for the local option tax.. that's what I was refering to... Boise foots most of the tax bill for the state, and they'd rather use it as a cash cow for their bullshit than to invest in anything to do with metropolitian boise...
Getting funding and money for civic projects in boise is like pulling teeth... It's situations like this that make government part of the problem.. and not the solution...which is why I refuse to vote for a republican for anything related to state government... it's not about being conservative/liberal... its about being a powerhungry moron...
Putting a good ole boy in there isn't going to get you anything other than a potato...
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I see what you're saying.... I would agree....
what is so ridiculous is that the city actually owns a rail corridor from downtown nampa, by the idaho centre, through downtown Meridian, eagle road to boise towne square to the depot and out to micron... all they got to do is throw a friggin train on it.. and build stops and platforms...
Minor correction--Union Pacific still owns this corridor. All Boise has is a small section abandoned by UP south of Micron. However, your overall sentiment is correct--most rail paths would have to undergo multiple ugly eminent domain proceedings to acquire the land it needs. All the Treasure Valley has to do is to write one check to UP.
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Many cities would Kill for having this EXISTING corridor... yet boise fails to make anything happen with it because the state legislature won't let us vote to tax ourselves to pay for it. Now how fuckin retarded is that??? excuse my language.. but seriously... people need to quit voting for someone just because they have a red R by their name.. because 9 times out of ten it's some pot bellied cowboy hat sportin rancher or farmer that doesn't know shit..
It's not so much a Republican thing as it is an urban vs. rural thing. But again, I like your practical message--why someone in Rexburg cares whether Boise wants to raise their own taxes or not is truly baffling.
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