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Old Posted: Apr 27, 2012, 7:46 PM
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Garden City doesn't need a downtown! They should be annexed! it's pretty much a part of Boise anyway why not make it official.
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Old Posted: Apr 27, 2012, 9:54 PM
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Garden City doesn't need a downtown! They should be annexed! it's pretty much a part of Boise anyway why not make it official.
The Boise Weekly had an amusing article recently involving the history of Garden City:

http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/a-d...nt?oid=2624677

Also, I'm pretty certain that the Fairgrounds is Ada County territory that is not incorporated by any city. Besides, I'd like to see a downtown Garden City closer to the center, and get to work on redeveloping some land....
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Old Posted: Apr 27, 2012, 10:01 PM
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An urban center in Garden City would be infinitely better than what it has (or lack there of) now. Something similar to Bown Crossing or Hyde Park could be very successful in Garden City.
Infill is the only option for Garden City at this point. It's completely surrounded by other cities. I'm baffled as to why developers aren't taking advantage of its location to the river and downtown Boise.
Garden City has enormous amounts of potential.
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Old Posted: Apr 27, 2012, 10:58 PM
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An urban center in Garden City would be infinitely better than what it has (or lack there of) now. Something similar to Bown Crossing or Hyde Park could be very successful in Garden City.
Infill is the only option for Garden City at this point. It's completely surrounded by other cities. I'm baffled as to why developers aren't taking advantage of its location to the river and downtown Boise.
Garden City has enormous amounts of potential.
I agree, and have made similar statements on here before. Garden City is a goldmine if developed properly in an urban grid fashion. The grid is mostly there, it just needs to be connected in places. I think the first area a Hyde Park/Bown Crossing area would work well would be on 36th St., which is the extension of Orchard, and leads to the whitewater park.
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Old Posted: Apr 28, 2012, 2:14 AM
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The Boise Weekly had an amusing article recently involving the history of Garden City:

http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/a-d...nt?oid=2624677

Also, I'm pretty certain that the Fairgrounds is Ada County territory that is not incorporated by any city. Besides, I'd like to see a downtown Garden City closer to the center, and get to work on redeveloping some land....
That article was hilarious!
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Old Posted: Apr 28, 2012, 6:44 AM
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I agree, and have made similar statements on here before. Garden City is a goldmine if developed properly in an urban grid fashion. The grid is mostly there, it just needs to be connected in places. I think the first area a Hyde Park/Bown Crossing area would work well would be on 36th St., which is the extension of Orchard, and leads to the whitewater park.
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Agreed... The waterfront district is so cool, its too bad that it is surrounded by some of the nastiest trailer parks this side of the Mississippi! If the new whitewater park is ever going to become the site of televised competitions, there either needs to be a large wall built between it and the trailer park behind it or the whole place should just be leveled! It's a horrible backdrop for the area...

Cities the size of Boise really don't tend to have highrise clusters outside of the central business district. I'm thinking of comparable cities to Boise that I've been to and none have had much highrise development outside the CBD. Not Reno, Des Moines or Witchita... Spokane does have a little of this near Sacred Heart Medical Center, but Spokane doesn't have a ton of density downtown to contrast with in the first place. Similarly, the only real midrises outside of downtown Boise are medically-anchored: St. Als and St. Lukes Meridian and vicinity. There is that midrise (by Boise standards) out by Edwards at I-84 and Overland which I really like.

For a cluster of density to really make sense, there needs to be a limited amount of land and aggressive policy toward density and against sprawl. Boise has plenty of room to grow and not much in the way of policy to discourage it (correct me if I'm wrong). SLC has almost nothing outside of the CBD besides a few midrises near Sandy. Provo, which in and of itself has a population level nearing Boise's has almost nothing in the way of density, same story up north in Ogden. SLC Rick may be able to correct me here.

The Portland metro area has room to grow but unlike SLC, has been aggressive against sprawl. A few miles east of downtown, along I-84 there is a group of highrises. Same can be seen a bit south of downtown along I-5. Even though SLC is putting in a light rail system to rival Portland's, the culture in Utah is much more sprawl oriented. Big families equal large homes on land, large vehicles and demand for strip mall retailers...

For the population of Boise, we're quite lucky to have the level of development we do. We have a low, but increasingly-crowded skyline. Many metros the size of Boise have very little in the way of a dense downtown. It's part of what makes Boise the little slice of heaven we all love. If you believed what you read on the Idaho Statesman comments, you'd think Idaho was a racist, hillbilly town where people are miserable and only exists as a stopover between rural Idaho and leaving Idaho alltogether. I think those forums must be run by people who want to keep Boise at a comfortable population level
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Old Posted: Apr 28, 2012, 12:36 PM
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quote"SLC has almost nothing outside of the CBD besides a few midrises near Sandy. Provo, which in and of itself has a population level nearing Boise's has almost nothing in the way of density, same story up north in Ogden. SLC Rick may be able to correct me here."


Sugarhouse, Cottonwood heights and Fort Union(midvale) also have a collection of midrises.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/countyl...5268/lightbox/

Murray has a couple highrises. http://protophoto.com/picture.html?pic=12705

S. Salt lake has a proposed 25 story tower.


Sandy is defiantly a nuisance! They are a suburb of SLC that is trying to dress up like a city. They have even tried to build a 40 story skyscraper(not sure if it's still on the table) and other buildings in "Downtown Sandy" and constantly try to steal away buildings, aquariums,Stadiums, theaters,museums and etc. from SLC. You are defiantly right about sprawl! Its a huge problem in the Wasatch front. Hopefully Boise can prevent it from happening there.

The Ogden and Provo areas both have populations close to Boise's but sprawl and being part of the Salt Lake City Urban area have caused most of the development/towers to be bulit in Downtown SLC
although I do like the classic architecture of the towers in Ogden!
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6817/hisogden2xc4.jpg
http://descmath.com/images/2004/DCP_7880.JPG
http://www.sangres.com/utah/places/weber/ogden.htm
http://protophoto.com/picture.html?pic=5740
http://protophoto.com/picture.html?pic=14185
http://protophoto.com/picture.html?pic=14167
http://protophoto.com/picture.html?pic=5741
http://protophoto.com/picture.html?pic=14172


Provo......not so much.. hahaha

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Old Posted: Apr 28, 2012, 3:43 PM
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Disclaimer: The following post is my 1 AM thought process written out. I made very little effort to synthesize my thoughts so I hope they make sense
I dunno, your thoughts below seem pretty coherent to me for 1AM. Maybe you need to drink something stronger.

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Cities the size of Boise really don't tend to have highrise clusters outside of the central business district. I'm thinking of comparable cities to Boise that I've been to and none have had much highrise development outside the CBD. Not Reno, Des Moines or Witchita... Spokane does have a little of this near Sacred Heart Medical Center, but Spokane doesn't have a ton of density downtown to contrast with in the first place. Similarly, the only real midrises outside of downtown Boise are medically-anchored: St. Als and St. Lukes Meridian and vicinity. There is that midrise (by Boise standards) out by Edwards at I-84 and Overland which I really like.
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For a cluster of density to really make sense, there needs to be a limited amount of land and aggressive policy toward density and against sprawl. Boise has plenty of room to grow and not much in the way of policy to discourage it (correct me if I'm wrong). SLC has almost nothing outside of the CBD besides a few midrises near Sandy. Provo, which in and of itself has a population level nearing Boise's has almost nothing in the way of density, same story up north in Ogden. SLC Rick may be able to correct me here.
Agree for the most part. Land is still too cheap in this area and zoning facilitates sprawl for the most part. As I said in my previous posting, I do think that the area around Eagle exit has a chance to go tall, but by in large in this case I think this is a result of the surrounding employment density and valley planner's inability to build a transportation system that works that will drive this. At some point people in that area will get tired of being stuck for 30 min just to go 2 miles and a market for mid-rise living will develop. There is already a couple of 6-7 story mixed office buildings in that area and Gardner Development has a 10 story Hotel proposed but on hold for the St. Luke's area.
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Old Posted: Apr 28, 2012, 5:51 PM
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washed out whitewater park. the river is near or at flood stage























































Sunday add ons. I took some time to attempt to collect enough photos to complete my city photo thread. soon.





























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Old Posted: Apr 28, 2012, 6:10 PM
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Good pics, that 4th one of COBE looks like a computer rendering, it's surreal. I was just down at the Wave myself. Did you notice they finally fenced off the bank, at least more of it and planted new willow shrubs.

Back to Garden City, check their master plan of 2009 which shows filling in the grid of the old town area.

http://www.gardencityidaho.govoffice...F4A9D85%7D.PDF

GC grid plan:


Bonus Pics:

Idaho River Sports annual used equipment sale


Crane Creek looking south from Jordan St between 32nd and Rose


Crane Creek Flume behind Dept. of Transportation has had a blowout
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Old Posted: Apr 28, 2012, 10:00 PM
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Good stuff...the COBE building, while I did have some hangups about its lot orientation, looks really classy and dominant. I really like the 4th pic, and like BoiseCynic did a double take to see if it was real or not.

Nice find with the Garden City master plan BoiseCynic. That gives me so much hope that Garden City will develop to it's potential, and not just another sea of culdesacs. I wonder what the laws are regarding diverting river water to create some urban streams and ponds in conjunction with the grid, if the water eventually makes its way back. The ParkCenter area was able to do it, but I'm not up on my water rights. This would obviously be impossible to do without some major land acquisition and planning, but the payoffs could be huge.
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Old Posted: Apr 28, 2012, 10:50 PM
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Garden City doesn't need a downtown! They should be annexed! it's pretty much a part of Boise anyway why not make it official.
Amen. If only someone would just take the Garden City limits signs down...
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Old Posted: Apr 28, 2012, 11:24 PM
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I totally agree that Garden City Has so much potential it'd be great to see them get rid of the ugly trailer parks. and thanks for the pics sawtooth! keep 'em comin'!
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Old Posted: Apr 28, 2012, 11:43 PM
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Amen. If only someone would just take the Garden City limits signs down...
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Old Posted: Apr 29, 2012, 12:18 AM
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^^^ That photo is hilarious! Is it photoshopped? It's looks so real...
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Here's an update on the River Edge development, courtesy of the Boise Weekly, including quotes by choice village idiot Eileen Barber.

Boise Green Lights Housing at River's Edge


April 25th, 2012

Read more: http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/liv...nt?oid=2642232

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The City of Boise has cleared the way for the proposed River Edge Apartments, an off-campus housing project for Boise State. The 350,000-square-foot, five-story project is designed for 622 residents on a 3.4-acre footprint at 1004 Royal Blvd. adjacent to the Greenbelt and Ann Morrison Park.

But some neighbors aren't thrilled about the project. Eileen Barber is the owner of a three-story office building adjacent to the proposed site--a 25,000-square-foot building that houses Keynetics and its 100 employees.

"The current design would harm not only the neighborhood, including Ann Morrison Park and the Boise River Greenbelt. It also may make the proposed project an undesirable place to live," said Barber.
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I'm actually surprised they put it through with the height exception, that's great.

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Good pics, that 4th one of COBE looks like a computer rendering, it's surreal. I was just down at the Wave myself. Did you notice they finally fenced off the bank, at least more of it and planted new willow shrubs.
Maybe we saw each other. I did notice the shrubs and the fencing and I know this is going to be so amazing when it is all completed.

Computer rendering look = HDR effect.


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Good stuff...the COBE building, while I did have some hangups about its lot orientation, looks really classy and dominant. I really like the 4th pic, and like BoiseCynic did a double take to see if it was real or not.
HDR.

I added a few more photos from Table Rock taken in HDR.
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I added a few more photos from Table Rock taken in HDR.

In this Table Rock pic, if I remember correctly, the area in the middle of those mansions on the hill toward the center of the pic is a vineyard. I can see similar development being very appealing in the rolling hills out past Eagle. Even if they don't even harvest the grapes, which they might, it still creates a wonderful outdoor ambiance for all those swanky millionaires. They can have their own neighborhood branded wine to swirl with the neighbors and come together for taste tests.

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