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Dengler Avenue Nov 16, 2019 5:17 PM

Saskatoon Ring Road 2.0 (Proposed)
 
The full study’s here: https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...riefing-1.html. Credits to Wyku for sharing the link.

Lately there’s been some fuzz about the proposed new ring road around Saskatoon. Any thoughts, updates, just jot them down here. :)

craner Nov 16, 2019 6:16 PM

Well ... Regina has the bi-pass now so why not Saskatoon ?
I would be excited to see it built.

Dengler Avenue Nov 16, 2019 8:04 PM

The idea of going through the swale really turns me off this time though. I need to carefully go through all the pictures to see what amends can be made.

djforsberg Nov 16, 2019 8:42 PM

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Originally Posted by craner (Post 8750486)
Well ... Regina has the bi-pass now so why not Saskatoon ?
I would be excited to see it built.

Because, like Regina’s, it would be a costly mistake to do in a province hard up for cash as it is? Because of the swale, I would say it would be even more costly than Regina’s.

Corndogger Nov 16, 2019 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue (Post 8750556)
The idea of going through the swale really turns me off this time though. I need to carefully go through all the pictures to see what amends can be made.

Doesn't I-75 go through the Everglades? Going through this swale area should be easy by comparison.

Dengler Avenue Nov 16, 2019 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Corndogger (Post 8750697)
Doesn't I-75 go through the Everglades? Going through this swale area should be easy by comparison.

It does. In fact, some of the freeways in Ontario go through wetlands too. It doesn’t mean that’s the right thing to do though. :( Like I said, I need to take a look at all the pictures first.

Corndogger Nov 16, 2019 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue (Post 8750701)
It does. In fact, some of the freeways in Ontario go through wetlands too. It doesn’t mean that’s the right thing to do though. :( Like I said, I need to take a look at all the pictures first.

My point is that it can be done without causing damage. There are plenty of examples of such roads.

Dengler Avenue Nov 16, 2019 11:48 PM

I was just reading this (which was from the 90’s): https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.sun-...story,amp.html.

I guess it’s possible. We’ll see.

jigglysquishy Nov 17, 2019 1:50 PM

Don't want it. Don't need it. The Saskatoon Freeway, along with the Regina Bypass, are F tier stupidity.

A diagusting and shameful waste of money.

djforsberg Nov 17, 2019 2:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Corndogger (Post 8750703)
My point is that it can be done without causing damage. There are plenty of examples of such roads.

You really think a highway in Florida, a state that has banned the use of the phrase “climate change”, didn’t cause ecological damage?

Pinus Nov 17, 2019 3:54 PM

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Originally Posted by djforsberg (Post 8750954)
You really think a highway in Florida, a state that has banned the use of the phrase “climate change”, didn’t cause ecological damage?

Wow. They actually ban that term, as well as "global warming".

And yet so many Canadians still want to strive to be like 'Murca :(

Dengler Avenue Nov 17, 2019 4:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinus (Post 8750985)
Wow. They actually ban that term, as well as "global warming".

And yet so many Canadians still want to strive to be like 'Murca :(

I was a bit skeptical too. :shrug:

Dengler Avenue Nov 18, 2019 3:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jigglysquishy (Post 8750943)
Don't want it. Don't need it. The Saskatoon Freeway, along with the Regina Bypass, are F tier stupidity.

A diagusting and shameful waste of money.

I partly agree. It's no less important to put money towards education, health care and other modes of transportation. Good work on one of the BRT routes (not so much the other one because there will be no dedicated bus lanes).

Keeping the flow of goods uninterrupted is also important though. I'm guessing Saskatoon has grown to the point that Circle Drive's no longer cutting it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that there are 2 major trade corridors crossing Saskatoon - the 11 from Prince Albert to Regina (then to the states via 6 & 39, which is another topic), and the 16 across the Prairies. If MHI wanna keep goods flowing well on both routes, what's a good (if not the best) way to do it? A ring from Yellowhead west to Yellowhead east. (I don't think the southeastern portion of the ring is needed - eliminating the at-grade intersections on the Yellowhead and upgrading the 11/16 interchange in the south-end will do.)

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Seriously though, alternative 4? That's like giving commuters from Martensville and Warman a big middle finger. Just because we will have a ring road, it doesn't mean we can now revert the roads leading in and out of the city back to 2 lanes. If anything, we need to have an overpass over 71st Street then an interchange with Marquis Drive. The same applies to Highway 16 west as well.

As for the Swale issue, I think MHI should just tunnel that section of the outer ring road to preserve it.

Link: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf

Wyku Nov 18, 2019 3:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue (Post 8751417)
Seriously though, alternative 4? That's like giving commuters from Martensville and Warman a big middle finger. Just because we will have a ring road, it doesn't mean we can now revert the roads leading in and out of the city back to 2 lanes. If anything, we need to have an overpass over 71st Street then an interchange with Marquis Drive. The same applies to Highway 16 west as well.

The way they're so heavily weighting the Wanuskewin Rd. connection is really baffling--what was it, 52% of traffic flows that way? So lets just ignore the other 48% that doesn't? I don't get the desire to pair down the Idylwyld 4-lane connections to 2-lanes either--besides destroying the Highway 11 traffic flow, everyone coming into/out of the city on the #12 (which there is already a lot of and would only be more by the time this thing is build, if ever) no longer will with the freeway in place or something? It would go from a 4-lane highway to a 2-lane overpass to a 4-lane freeway... :koko:

The Bess Nov 18, 2019 4:29 PM

Not really ring road news but same pile

https://thestarphoenix.com/news/loca...ortheast-swale

Pardot Kynes Nov 24, 2019 3:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue (Post 8750440)
The full study’s here: https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...riefing-1.html. Credits to Wyku for sharing the link.

Lately there’s been some fuzz about the proposed new ring road around Saskatoon. Any thoughts, updates, just jot them down here. :)

That study only looks at routing options for the freeway. There is no information on when the freeway might actually be needed, or if it is even the most effective solution.

Dengler Avenue Nov 24, 2019 10:58 PM

Even if not now, we will need it later, so it’s probably good to at least reserve the ROW right now. Otherwise, the city grows too big, and the cheapest option will be to actually demolish every single property abutting Circle Drive and converting it to a real freeway. I mean, personally I’m not against this option.

Corndogger Nov 25, 2019 4:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue (Post 8757756)
Even if not now, we will need it later, so it’s probably good to at least reserve the ROW right now. Otherwise, the city grows too big, and the cheapest option will be to actually demolish every single property abutting Circle Drive and converting it to a real freeway. I mean, personally I’m not against this option.

Reserving the ROW now is a no-brainer. The large TUCs (transportation utility corridors) that the Alberta government setup around Edmonton and Calgary decades ago have helped immensely in minimizing expropriation costs for the 216 and 201, respectively.


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