If they're that concerned about safety we should just ban trucks from Main. There's lots of people crossing at McDermot, so let's keep that corner "safe" too!!!!

Roundabouts everywhere! People will figure it out.

MTA guy was also complaining that there's no alternate routes, this seems to be one of the most common logical fallacies used by TeamClosed - to treat it as if it's mutually exclusive, like it's either gotta be traffic that goes through P&M or pedestrians, but not both. Therefore allowing pedestrians is somehow treated like you're closing the intersection off to traffic altogether. It's going to add 52 seconds or whatever. Trucks can still use Main. Life goes on. Jesus.

To be honest. If you all stopped talking about it. This includes Bowman and anyone he else. It would have been done and finished by now. As in opened. But the more you all complains about wanting it open. The more you involve THe suburbs. Had they not really known. Project would have been finished. You guys are your own worst enemy.

It's funny you brought it up, since I've seen some comments on Facebook and Twitter that some of those people who are wanting it to remain closed are the ones living in St. Andrews, or West St. Paul, or even Stony Mountain.

Like, what matter do they have to say if they don't even live in the city, and only drive through that intersection maybe once a week, let alone once a month?

The audacity of these people... :hell:

EDIT:

To add, you are right though. We have become a victim of our own success if you will. Bowman started it as a political campaign to open it up. When the discussion became deeper throughout his tenure, opponents began to "stir the pot" as you will by arguing to keep it closed.

Had Bowman not mentioned to open up P&M, in hindsight, he could have introduced that motion into council, let's say 2 years ago, and maybe the outcome or the handle of this topic may have come out differently. Maybe not.

I see a lot of contradictory arguments by the "Closed" side. One of my favorites is "there will be gridlock, cars wont move." And "Pedestrians will be mowed down left and right."

Its like Winnipeg has no pedestrian crossings at all and we're debating the very first one or something.

Unfortunately Bowman's dithering and backtracking have put this issue in a situation where it could very well be stopped because of a referendum vote.

^^^That made me laugh.

I saw someone complain that the latest livability index for cities didn't include "commute times"

Because the only part of life that matters is the time you spend in your car driving to/from work...

Quality and number of jobs doesn't matter, no no... It's all about that sweet sweet ride to work!

"This is a waste of money because there's nothing to walk to at P&M" / "Pedestrians crossing the street will cause gridlock" is still one of my all-time favourite contradictions.

Gratuitous numbers of vehicles cause gridlock...

VoteOpen group has a gofundme page for those interested:

https://www.gofundme.com/VoteOpen

I’m team open but I find it disgusting to do a public fundraising campaign to fund a public awareness campaign for a public sector/government project. Think it could come back to bite them. Extremely tone deaf, especially when a lot of the “no” argument is (incorrectly) the money opening will cost.

How would you suggest it be funded?

ohoh... buzzg's account has been hacked by Russian's and is spouting off utter nonsense to distract from the actual campaign.

only a Russian bot would be THIS confused by how politics works in the west................................

I would suggest a lot of the downtown businesses and agencies that have a vested interest or support opening chip in. And it doesn’t have to even be with money, but they can use their voices and networks.

I’ll cede maybe “disgusting” was a bit strong, but it just seems off to me.

All winnipeggers have a vested interest. I don’t see the difference between donations from ordinary people who care or businesses that do. Businesses are free to donate as well.

It takes money to run any kind of campaign. Like it or not.

If someone makes a personal choice to put their $$ behind a particular public policy issue, that's really their business. I think it makes a lot of sense. What is odd is that the city decided to have a referendum with no rules for yes and no campaigns, fundraising and so on. Braindead.

Ya fair. I’m convinced. Guess we’re just not used to this kind of thing here, so it through me off a bit.

^its totally bizarre there are no rules....I agree with you. It is weird.