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ugh, these idiots again! Can we not have a group that supports rail to the valley and supports skytrain and new bridges? what is up with these one or the other idiots! Once they realize that the region needs all of these projects will i actually start paying any attention to them.
at first i was thinking - "Oh good, we need people to push for more rail in the valley." But instead we get people who become more like nimbys and will slow down such projects as skytrain, ugh, why are they so negative and short sighted! *pulling hair put* Also their cost estimates of the light rail and deluxe light rail lines are bogus at best, they seem to forget re-locating facilities, planning, designing, the cost of buying land when needed, the OMC's, operational costs, rolling stock, etc... They make it sound like you simply slap some rails down on the road and you are done. well i guess we could do that if we want the world's shitiest and most basic tram system. I just want a pro-LRT expansion group that does not spend all their energy pointing fingers and crying about Gateway and skytrain! |
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also on other note of the interurban i read up they have another train coming in on April 25 its right here http://www.fvhrs.org/photos-1304.htm and as far as i know this group is only working in Surrey right now for the line |
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As much as I support light rail in the valley, I'm not sure if the interurban is the solution. Doesn't it basically skip the population centres? |
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In addition to running on already existing tracks to Langley, you have to remember that past Langley, it's farms, farms farms.
$3 Billion would go a LOT further than Vancouver. There would be FAR less utility relocation needed and I wouldn't at all be surprised if you could do 200km for that price. A Commuter corridor, at the very least should be allocated. One that connects YXX, Langley's Willingdon Centre, Cloverdale, and has a few short LRT feeder lines in these areas is a good start. |
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Time to get off your wishy-washy position and take a stand you are either for Gateway and thus against real transit improvements in the near future or you are for transit and against Gateway. At least these people have the courage to take a strong stand. |
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The 200KM network they talk about would simply become an over glorified bus that would likely run along the streets (it would be more of a tram). In my opinion such systems should be funded by the cities themselves (with some help from upper governments and translink). These little at grade no ROW trams are only good for short distant travels while a system like skytrain is used for connecting major centers together (such as Metrotown to Downtown). What the Feds and Province needs to fund in the Valley is a JR style train, which means it is a double tracked electric railway that runs on its own rail bed (never on the road) and has stations in all the major town centers. Such a train could run every 15 to 30 minutes and then the cities themselves can fund little tram systems to extend from the primary stations. This is what these groups should be trying to work towards, and yes this sytem would cost a lot more money but it is a tried tested and true system and would be capable of handling future population growth. This 200km for 3B LRT/Tram system is a joke. Rail/Transportation systems need layers, they need back bones and arteries, not simply the worlds slowest non-thought out tram system. Racc please go to Europe or Japan first before you post again and look at all of their freeway systems, mega bridges, tunnels, subways, elevated metros, heavy rail systems and high speed trains they have in place, and then you will see why their tram/LRT systems actually work (often the trams are the last piece of the puzzle to worry about, only downtown Vancouver and maybe the North Shore are the only areas truly ready for a tram system. |
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It would like be more Calgary LRTish than European/Hiroshima Tram-ish. Much of the ROW would be on its own dedicated ROW, if I'm not mistaken. |
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Mainly cause interurban will get way out there now give us time to get the skytrain out there also here http://www.sfot.info/What_is_the_Interurban_.html |
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You can clearly see from those images that the Interurban is more than just trolleys to Chilliwack (which is what it used to be), but rather a full LRT, or Diesel DMUs. It's all about using a corridor which still exists, which I'm all for. It makes a lot of good points, like stating that once you take out the protected land, Surrey is just as dense as Burnaby. Interesting. |
High-speed rail coming to Vancouver? Obama announces funding for U.S. bullet trains
From the Seattle Times...
High-speed rail gets $8 billion boost; Northwest could benefit President Obama backs high-speed rail corridors across U.S. with $ 8 billion from economic stimulus plan; Pacific Northwest could benefit with track improvements for faster train travel on Amtrak Cascades routes WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama called Thursday for the country to move swiftly to a system of high-speed rail travel, saying it will relieve congestion, help clean the air and save on energy. The president allocated $8 billion in the enormous $787 billion economic stimulus spending package for a start on establishing high-speed rail corridors nationwide that could include the Pacific Northwest. Amtrak Cascades runs trains from Eugene, Ore., through Portland and Seattle to Vancouver, B.C., and tracks could be improved for higher-speed rail travel. Appearing with Vice President Joseph Biden and Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, Obama said the country cannot afford not to invest in a major upgrade to rail travel. He said he understands it necessarily will be "a long-term project" but said the time to start is now. The rail upgrades are critically needed, Obama said, because the nation's highways and airways "are clogged with traffic." The money will go not only to high-speed rail development but also to a parallel effort to improve rail service along existing lines — upgrades that would allow faster train travel. The White House said funding will move into the rail system through three channels, first to upgrade projects already approved and only in need of funding, thus providing jobs in the short term. The second and third would focus on high-speed rail planning and then a commitment to help in the execution of those plans far into the future when the stimulus funds are no longer available. Transportation Department officials say about six proposed routes with federal approval for high-speed rail stand a good chance of getting some of the $8 billion award. The spurs include parts of Texas, Florida, the Chicago region, and southeast routes through North Carolina and Louisiana. The U.S. Federal Railroad Administration says the term high-speed rail applies to trains traveling more than 90 mph. The European Union standard is above 125 mph. Many overseas bullet trains — most powered by overhead electricity lines — run faster than that. In France, for example, the TGV ("Train a Grande Vitesse") covers the 250 miles between Paris and Lyon in one hour, 55 minutes at an average speed of about 133 mph. In Japan, which opened the first high-speed rail in the 1960s and carries more passengers than any other country, the Japanese Shinkansen trains hurtle through the countryside at an average of about 180 mph. Super-fast trains also run in Germany, Spain and China, at speeds up to 140 mph, according to a 2007 survey in the trade publication Railway Gazette. The only rail service that qualifies under America's lower high-speed standard is Amtrak's 9-year-old Acela Express route connecting Boston to Washington, D.C. The trains are built to reach speeds up to 150 mph, but only average about 80 mph because of curving tracks and slower-moving freight and passenger trains that share the route. On the densely traveled line from New York City to the nation's capital, the Acela arrives just about 20 minutes earlier than standard service, at more than twice the cost during peak travel times. Kristin Jackson of Seattle Times Travel contributed to this report. Ten corridors the Obama administration had identified for possible high-speed rail projects: — Pacific Northwest corridor (Eugene, Portland, Tacoma, Seattle, Vancouver, B.C.) — California corridor (Bay Area, Sacramento, Los Angeles, San Diego) — South Central corridor (Tulsa, Oklahoma City, Dallas/Fort Worth, Austin, San Antonio, Little Rock) — Gulf Coast corridor (Houston, New Orleans, Mobile, Birmingham, Atlanta) — Chicago hub network (Chicago, Milwaukee, Twin Cities, St. Louis, Kansas City, Detroit, Toledo, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Louisville) — Florida corridor (Orlando, Tampa, Miami) — Southeast corridor (Washington, Richmond, Raleigh, Charlotte, Atlanta, Macon, Columbia, Savannah, Jacksonville) — Keystone corridor (Philadelphia, Harrisburg, Pittsburgh) — Empire corridor (New York City, Albany, Buffalo) — Northern New England corridor (Boston, Montreal, Portland, Springfield, New Haven, Albany) Associated Press |
I would die of happiness to see the new N700 in North America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N700_series http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3243/...bcf92cb5_b.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/hirosan/2851165782/ Ohh, dare to dream! |
Please keep rail within this thread and not start a new one.
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I wonder how that would work, obviously the Canadian government would have to pay for the short stretches extending from the border to Vancouver and from the border to Montreal. I dream that such a high speed rail would travel the same route as the 99, have a station at Bridgeport (for those coming to and from the airport) and then travel on an elevated structure (just like the trains in Japan going through the cities) and have its Terminal station at Pacific Central (or Waterfront). Honestly if we really want rail to work in this country than we have to put the greater good and the health of the region before the individual. The current backlash on the UBC extension is a perfect example of why we do not have decent infrastructure in Canada.
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Well once gas hits $5 a liter your dream will be realized. :cool:
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they did a big story about the seattle amtrak on the saturday news on global
it seems BC has already spent a few million upgrading and adding tracks so the extra trains can run here but Canada customs wants Amtrak to pay $1500 per day to serve the train and they just won't suck it up and staff the facility properly and they interviewed Americans arriving and what they plan on spending in the time they are here etc anyway it seems Amtrak wants to come here more, the rails etc are all in place but its the federal gov't who is holding out |
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