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Winnipeg | Forks Redevelopment - Parcel 4 - Rail Side Initiative | Preliminary Proposals

Mixed-use redevelopment preliminary proposals. Located at the junctions of the Red and Assiniboine Rivers in downtown Winnipeg, Manitoba.
Initiative includes recreational, historical and cultural, residential, and institutional and supportive commercial uses.

Proposals Include:

- Public Spaces - Parks, Plazas, and Promenades
- Mixed-Use Development Parcels
- Community-Cultural Land Bank
- District Eco-Targets

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Preliminary Revitalization Concepts

More info at : http://www.theforks.com/

Nov.2015
Revised concepts for Initiative(PDF)
http://s3.documentcloud.org/document...al-package.pdf

Approximate Scale of Development in each Phase
Phase 1 – Rail Side
2 mixed use development parcels which will include:
•Approximately 20,000ft2 of retail / destination / office space
•100 housing units – parking included
400 Public Stall Parkade*
Public Spaces, Public Art and Green roofs

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Phase 2 – Parcel 4
3 mixed use development parcels each having :
•20,000ft2 of retail / destination / office space
•100 housing units – parking included
300 Public Stall Parkade*
Public Spaces, Public Art and Green roofs
*Additional parking for residential units, (500 units) would be built on a full cost recovery basis.

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REPORT OF THE STANDING POLICY COMMITTEE ON DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT, HERITAGE AND RIVERBANK MANAGEMENT

4. Proposed Parcel 4 - Forks Rail Side Development
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http://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/dmis/viewdoc.asp?docid=13745

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I'll try to add General Forks development information in this thread as well.
This project has a looooong way to go. Anyway, some info included above..:)

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Maybe they can wedge this in on the site somewhere? ;)


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WATERPARK :titanic::notacrook::cheers::cheerleader:

Maybe with an all weather dome included for our sub arctic conditions...?

It could be covered with a green roof..;)


EDIT...and time to take this fine work of art down as well, yes I hear the name has changed and it's structurally wonderful...(the one on the left..I mean right..)

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The entire Forks should just be an underground mall with a big green roof, connected to Winnipeg Square. Now that would be golden. Think a teletubbies-inspired village.

How about the Logans Run-inspired cities? :P

As per bolded..

It sounds like they're going to develop 5 more "plans" and do 1654684 more rounds of consultation. They've done tons already and the general response has been OMFG YES SOUNDS GREAT... time to get going already.

Archway from old Winnipeg building and fountain added to the Forks, nice! funded by Winnipeg Foundation

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...hway-1.3249336

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^^Yes, I really like that.

theres a new fountan?

yes. it is nicely done.

I really enjoyed your vision of what Parcel 4 + Rail Side may look like in the future..(added it here)...

yep, very cool - plus will bring cohesion to that part of downtown, which oftentimes feels disconnected from downtown even though it is officially a part of the downtown area

At the last public consult they did the plan appears to have shifted from high rises to 5-7 story buildings, with retail on bottom and then residences above.

Did you hear anything about subdividing the land? Or is it going to be another mega-project?

From what I understood, each building will be designed by a different firm, but will all follow similar guidelines, and will be built in phases. So the whole thing won't be built at once, rather in smaller chunks... I think the info is online somewhere, I'll try to find it...

Is this actually moving ahead with concrete plans? Or is it highly conceptual RFP type shit?

From what I've heard the plan is to subdivide the land with guidelines on what type of development/building can go at each spot, and they are hoping to have lots ready to go by spring. Railside will be happening before parcel 4 IIRC.

I believe this hasn't changed much from when It was discussed in council in 2014..

Scroll down (PDF) to Forks ..#4 - Page 9 http://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/dmis/viewdoc.asp?docid=13745

Looking at that PDF... Does anyone remember the sale price that Katz proposed for the infamous water park proposal?

This has the City selling to FNP for $6Mil. Is that in line with what was proposed back for the water park?

http://www.canadianswinnipeg.org/app...ate-water-park

Actually more public money, with some added incentives..

This article shows some of the things they're like to do
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/m...ears-1.3200192

that does look pretty awesome, but the plan is now a larger collection of 6 storey maximum buildings on pedestrian streets and courtyards.

the ideas are here:https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...kage_12x18.pdf

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Here's the link to the actual document. Quite a good read and lots of illustrations:

http://s3.documentcloud.org/document...al-package.pdf

Just had a chance to go over the new PDF. Actually, I have no real problem with the 6F max. you speak of. The concept has evolved dramatically from the initial PDF they released last year (in OP). They may not be the larger developments we were thinking about last year but the concept is fine for the Forks..

Thanks. Added new links to the OP for reference.

Absolutely delightful; this is precisely what is needed for this area.

Wouldn't it be cool if Seasons of Tuxedo gave up on their outlet mall plans and just put all their tenants in the main/second floors of a bunch of these buildings at The Forks... :slob:

It would be nice to see buildings akin to these line Provencher.

Any news about parcel 4 I have not found anything.

yes always amazed when I come to Wpg that there are some amazing stores out in places like that (IKEA I understand of course) that would have a big impact on downtown, like MEC... I know there are various people on this board who would say that no one would ever go and this is out of touch with reality, etc. etc. Anyway, I would and do.

Anyone even dreaming an outlet mall would go to The Forks, the Bay on Portage, or anywhere downtown, not just in Winnipeg but any city, has lost a firm grip on reality. In every city the outlet malls are always sprawling single story complexes on the fringes of the city. The location at Seasons of Tuxedo is actually very urban for an outlet mall.

Stickhandling Forks Market reno
Firm seeks items for unique sculptures

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...369924071.html

This article covers part of a $2.5M Reno at the Forks Market I wasn't aware of.
It seems like a large some of money for tables and chairs. What am I missing for other renovations taking place?

We also forget with all the other development occurring in the core area, this development is still in the works and and is another game changer for Winnipeg. Any word on how plans are progressing?

It's not just tables and chairs. It's the entire Market. All the teal will be gone (on the inside), amazing new lighting, a bar at centre court, all the kiosks are being renovated. You'll be able to walk around entire main floor (except for the restaurants) with a beer or wine in your hand.

"What am I missing for other renovations taking place?"

This is what I was curious about. I remember hearing about it, but not the extent of the other remodeling/renovation taking place. What is the timetable?

I'm not sure how I feel about liquor sales in the market. You have families taking their children for a skate, next to a bunch of 20 somethings hammering back beers. Seems a bit odd. The Forks isn't Las Vegas. Intriguing concept though.

^ The family side of the equation + alcohol flowing freely is a might bit puzzling?

When the kids are going bonkers I will be grateful for the ability to buy a double rye and ginger to carry around....

^haha very true Esquire.

^^ Yeah, I here ya, mine is old enough to be in the kind of settinting outlined by Buzz, Not with yougins, we'll see how it all works out and is arranged when it's complete..I'm curious about the liquor license needed to make the entire area drink friendly for ages 1 and up...

In talking with them, they've finally come to the realization that if they ever want to stop being a money-losing operation (and they do), they have to cater to the people that are going to spend real money there: 20-somethings and tourists. Sorry, but your 3-year-old's mini doughnuts aren't going to cut it hahaha.

They said it's been an interesting challenge in making sure to maintain all the family aspects, but they really want the 25 year old hipsters to come there more. Makes a lot of sense business-wise. They're also doing this long term thinking about the future development of The Forks. Also, with the new food vendors coming in, they want to be able to offer a unique full-dining experience.

Well every sports venue is already like that so it's no different. When the liquor laws changed 2 years ago it eliminated the designation of the need for 18A (lol) lounge spaces. You can go drink and not eat in any restaurant now. It's the combination with retail that's the new part, and they've been working very closely with the LGA on this. It's kind of a pilot project, and if it goes well, you could see a lot more reform come soon. To start, the LGA is only allowing the first floor to be licensed as their worried about liability if people fall down the stairs.

The LC has actually started listing licensee-only liquor products (just last week) as so many places were complaining about the lack of liquor selection, especially with the cocktail boom. In the past they would only bring in a product if they felt they could sell it in store. It's actually impressive how efficient they're becoming.

^Totally makes sense Buzz. And I'll tend to agree they need to draw in the younger crowd. Ie: myself. We'll see what they come up with.

FWIW they're already working on it... I was there last week and the centre area is really starting to take shape with the new bar going up.

Yeah they were hoping to open the bar in March/April

Just following up on the Forks Market makeover, Haven't been in a while.
Nice job by NumberTen..

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..five new food tenants? Can't wait to check it out.

I enjoy the Hudson's bay hipster.

I am impressed at this plan. And so happy to see the 1980s blue gone.

I am also glad the blue is gone, inside anyways. Outside, it will remain for now.

^ Yeah, it got way too stale considering that it's one of the city's top tourist areas. Glad to see the market getting a bit of a makeover.