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esquire · #**961** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 4:54 PM**

I like the overall design and concept, now it's just a matter of whether the towers get built. The towers look very good to me. The office tower is a bit more squat than I'd like, but not as bad as Manitoba Hydro in that regard. The Sutton Place block with that podium looks very west coasty which makes sense given the owner's Vancouver roots.

Cyro · #**962** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 4:56 PM**

Actually I haven't had a chance to even go through the thread and read the posts yet!!

I'm going to go over the twitter links you provided some time back..lol

EDIT: RENDERS added to OP...

bomberjet · #**963** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 4:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cyro

Yeah, it's the only building they have released details on as of this moment, I'm trying to grasp what's what at the moment..

There's just too much going on! And their website is failing terribly at the moment haha too much traffic.

esquire · #**964** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 4:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

There's just too much goping on!

Like trying to drink from a fire hose

Urban recluse · #**965** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 4:58 PM**

^^Once was enough, thank you.

Biff · #**966** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 4:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Perhaps Drew could tell us how all the glass is possible based on the renderings?

The new energy code is not a design restriction, it is a money restriction. If you have money you can build with all the glass you want.

inlp89 · #**967** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 5:08 PM**

https://www.facebook.com/truenorthsquare/?fref=photo

bomberjet · #**968** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 5:11 PM**

So I'm seeing tower heights (by floor) of 25, 25, 17, 17.

Cyro · #**969** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 5:14 PM**

^ Thx for the FB link. It clarifies things nicely.

Image Source: https://www.facebook.com/truenorthsquare/?fref=photo

Sources to project will be added to OP.

esquire · #**970** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 5:16 PM**

I am really liking the Sutton Place. First new full service business hotel downtown since what, the Delta (nee Holiday Inn) in 1975 or thereabouts?

bomberjet · #**971** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 5:16 PM**

It says shopping for the hotel podium. Let's hope this doesn't end up like another failed mall we've been discussing recently.

I also notice they only show one skywalk now. They got rid of the loop connection to tower one that was shown previously. Now just connects at the NE corner.

esquire · #**972** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 5:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

It says shopping for the hotel podium. Let's hope this doesn't end up like another failed mall we've been discussing recently.

Hrm... remember when the Convention Centre used to have a mall on the second floor? I'm not sure this one will have better prospects.

bomberjet · #**973** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 5:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Hrm... remember when the Convention Centre used to have a mall on the second floor? I'm not sure this one will have better prospects.

I guess they show retail/shopping for all the podiums. I'll keep an open mind on this for now.

Bluenote · #**974** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 5:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Hrm... remember when the Convention Centre used to have a mall on the second floor? I'm not sure this one will have better prospects.

Probably stores catered to the visiting patrons of the hotel. Kinda like the airport has.
No one went to the convention centre one as it was empty when no events were being held.

bomberjet · #**975** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 5:23 PM**

Website is down now. Bandwidth limit, go figure.

Cyro · #**976** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

So I'm seeing tower heights (by floor) of 25, 25, 17, 17.

Yeah we'll sort it out....

The 100% sure bet is Tower 1..

Phase 1 scheduled for completion in Summer 2018.
242 Hargrave Street; a signature 17-storey, 365,000 sq ft Class A office tower with a summer 2018 occupancy

esquire · #**977** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 5:33 PM**

So handicapping the towers at this point, using 5 years out as the timeframe...

Office tower: 100%
Hotel: 90%
Mixed-use: 75%
Condo: 50%

Sound reasonable?

trueviking · #**978** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 5:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

The new energy code is not a design restriction, it is a money restriction. If you have money you can build with all the glass you want.

In reality that isn't true.....no commercial rate developer could ever spend the money to have full glass curtain walls as they show in these renderings....

A building like Hydro might be able to work some trade offs to achieve what they did today, but it cost 3 times what a normal office building does...nobody relying on rent to pay for it could ever come close to that.

Cyro · #**979** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 5:43 PM**

^^ it does sound reasonable..

Office Building with tenants lined up, Scotia Bank + Law Firm, sure thing

Sutton Hotel announced...agreed..

..5 years is a good projection..

bomberjet · #**980** Posted **Feb 24, 2016, 5:44 PM**

So it's more likely to be glass fronted walls. Not sure of the exact term for it. 330 St. Mary style. Looks all glass, but it ain't.