Canadian LRT/RT projects U/C

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

I remember people in the international forum talking about co-existing with the Chicago L. There are several stretches where it runs through the back alley between residential lowrises with basically an arm's length of clearance in between. Apparently it's extremely disruptive at first but after a week or two people get so used to it they don't even notice it anymore.

People are more adaptable than they realize if they give themselves a chance. Not that I'm in favour of unnecessary urban noise of course because it can have negative effects on sleep, stress levels, and mood even without a person being conscious of it. But lower levels like the REM should be fine.

Yes, sensory habituation is a powerful phenomenon. The brain inevitably learns that the noise has no meaningful value and will begin to largely ignore it. The more you choose to focus on it, the more problematic it might remain though.

[Greetingsfromcanada]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Do you want Edmonton to experience what Ottawa and Montreal are experiencing? They already had the cracked concrete issue.

Except the REM is open and works

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Greetingsfromcanada

Except the REM is open and works

It had issues on the first day.

[Greetingsfromcanada]

Originally Posted by casper

They could have went with proven "made in Canada" technology. The INNOVIA Metro platform.

Regular overhead electric propulsion is better. The bombardier trains are great, but it's not really an ideal situation to be locked into a single supplier due to the weird size of the trains and induction motor system. Overhead power make it way less likely that freezing rain will close the system

[Greetingsfromcanada]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

It had issues on the first day.

It had a couple small delays for a couple days caused by 1 faulty track switch. The issues the Edmonton LRT and Ottawa LRT have impact the safety of users and basic functionality of said systems

[Zeej]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

It had issues on the first day.

The REM's up time during its first week was 94%. Naturally a few small issues got wildly blown out of proportion by the Canadian media (rejoice!).

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Greetingsfromcanada

It had a couple small delays for a couple days caused by 1 faulty track switch. The issues the Edmonton LRT and Ottawa LRT have impact the safety of users and basic functionality of said systems

Originally Posted by Zeej

The REM's up time during its first week was 94%. Naturally a few small issues got wildly blown out of proportion by the Canadian media (rejoice!).

I know why and how long it was down. Point is,it was down on its first day.

[Rico Rommheim]

Headed towards Central Station by Michael Berry, on Flickr


Opening weekend by Michael Berry, on Flickr


REM doing a test run on Champlain Bridge by Dominic Labbe, on Flickr


REM Inaugural by Caribb, on Flickr


IMG_0091 by Lëa-Kim Châteauneuf, on Flickr

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Trim, O-Trains future east terminus.

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Place d'Orléans, next station west, main bus-rail transfer point.

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Jeanne d'Arc, two stations west of Place, community station with some on street bus transfers.

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Is there any hope that this new LRT extension won't suffer the same issues as the existing Confederation Line?

[GeneralLeeTPHLS]

The Eglinton Crosstown is apparently inching along, but as many are aware, the two interchange stations remain the biggest problem for the project. That, and the 200 item list of things to correct and uphold to standards set by the TTC and the city.
I took this yesterday, of Kennedy station, which links up with the Kennedy subway station, and Kennedy GO. AFAIK, this station is not having problems at the same scale as the other two interchange stations. The landscaping is practically done from the look of things.
Tuesday in Scarborough by Draulerin Photographics, on Flickr
Tuesday in Scarborough by Draulerin Photographics, on Flickr
Tuesday in Scarborough by Draulerin Photographics, on Flickr

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Harrison

Is there any hope that this new LRT extension won't suffer the same issues as the existing Confederation Line?

I'd say so. Currently, we have two major issues; the wheel assembly and the curves. The wheel assemblies are failing pre-maturely as they were not designed for the metro level service, or those tight curves along the east part of the alignment. Turns out the bus Transitway that politicians loved to say was "built for conversion to LRT" probably wasn't actually.

Certain components of the wheel assembly will be redesigned over the next year to better handle the stress, modifications are being made to the curves in the east to realign of the restraining rails, which are making contact with the wheel assembly. So they seem to know what's causing most of the issues and have a plan to fix it in the medium term.

Some background on the restraining rails:



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ails-1.6927236

Stage 2 will have far fewer curves than Stage 1. The only areas that could be problematic are just after Blair (original plan was to build a new underpass to make the curve less pronounced, but the City's people made a questionable decision of using the existing bus underpass, which is far more significant curve, stating "This improvement will decrease construction complexity and costs associated with the life cycle maintenance and inspection of the tunnel structures". Reducing construction complexity, sure, but it will have a significant negative impact on life cycle maintenance. This from a guy who lied constantly to Council and had close ties tot he Mayor of the day.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...tawa-1.3506075

Other areas of concern might two curves in the Byron tunnel and past Lincoln Fields where the lines split. Overall though, the alignment is much straighter. Considering the length of the line, the trains won't go through the curves as much as they do today.

Furthermore, Stage 2 East-West contractor seems far more competent than Stage 1, or Stage 2 South based on the incredible progress they've done.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Greetingsfromcanada

Regular overhead electric propulsion is better. The bombardier trains are great, but it's not really an ideal situation to be locked into a single supplier due to the weird size of the trains and induction motor system. Overhead power make it way less likely that freezing rain will close the system

Hmmm! After what happened in Ottawa during freezing rain events?

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I'd say so. Currently, we have two major issues; the wheel assembly and the curves. The wheel assemblies are failing pre-maturely as they were not designed for the metro level service, or those tight curves along the east part of the alignment. Turns out the bus Transitway that politicians loved to say was "built for conversion to LRT" probably wasn't actually.

Certain components of the wheel assembly will be redesigned over the next year to better handle the stress, modifications are being made to the curves in the east to realign of the restraining rails, which are making contact with the wheel assembly. So they seem to know what's causing most of the issues and have a plan to fix it in the medium term.

Some background on the restraining rails:



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ails-1.6927236

Stage 2 will have far fewer curves than Stage 1. The only areas that could be problematic are just after Blair (original plan was to build a new underpass to make the curve less pronounced, but the City's people made a questionable decision of using the existing bus underpass, which is far more significant curve, stating "This improvement will decrease construction complexity and costs associated with the life cycle maintenance and inspection of the tunnel structures". Reducing construction complexity, sure, but it will have a significant negative impact on life cycle maintenance. This from a guy who lied constantly to Council and had close ties tot he Mayor of the day.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...tawa-1.3506075

Other areas of concern might two curves in the Byron tunnel and past Lincoln Fields where the lines split. Overall though, the alignment is much straighter. Considering the length of the line, the trains won't go through the curves as much as they do today.

Furthermore, Stage 2 East-West contractor seems far more competent than Stage 1, or Stage 2 South based on the incredible progress they've done.

Train lines cannot be fully straight. They have to be able to take reasonable curves without serious failures. We will see how the Trillium Line works with a sloped curve next to Bowesville Station. But this line uses completely different trains.

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Hmmm! After what happened in Ottawa during freezing rain events?

The Ottawa LRT was launched without proper testing, resulting in numerous problems. I also don't think their trains are modified to withstand our harsh winters, contrary to the REM which is equipped with ice scrappers on the pantograph. The REM even has a snowplow when there is too much accumulation, and they can run the trains during the night to clear the snow.

[J.OT13]

Montreal Station, Stage 2 O-Train Ottawa. This is the first station of the east extension after Blair. Entrances will be at ground level, both sides of Montreal Road underpass. Although it's a hostile area for anyone not in a car, some somewhat decent bike infra is being built and the station will be used for some local bus transfers.

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[Harrison]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I'd say so. Currently, we have two major issues; the wheel assembly and the curves. The wheel assemblies are failing pre-maturely as they were not designed for the metro level service, or those tight curves along the east part of the alignment. Turns out the bus Transitway that politicians loved to say was "built for conversion to LRT" probably wasn't actually.

Certain components of the wheel assembly will be redesigned over the next year to better handle the stress, modifications are being made to the curves in the east to realign of the restraining rails, which are making contact with the wheel assembly. So they seem to know what's causing most of the issues and have a plan to fix it in the medium term.

Stage 2 will have far fewer curves than Stage 1. The only areas that could be problematic are just after Blair (original plan was to build a new underpass to make the curve less pronounced, but the City's people made a questionable decision of using the existing bus underpass, which is far more significant curve, stating "This improvement will decrease construction complexity and costs associated with the life cycle maintenance and inspection of the tunnel structures". Reducing construction complexity, sure, but it will have a significant negative impact on life cycle maintenance. This from a guy who lied constantly to Council and had close ties tot he Mayor of the day.

Other areas of concern might two curves in the Byron tunnel and past Lincoln Fields where the lines split. Overall though, the alignment is much straighter. Considering the length of the line, the trains won't go through the curves as much as they do today.

Furthermore, Stage 2 East-West contractor seems far more competent than Stage 1, or Stage 2 South based on the incredible progress they've done.

Thanks for that comprehensive analysis, hopefully that is the case!

[J.OT13]

O-Train Fans Snapshots from the last month.

South Line 2, not in order on the line.

Corso Italia, August 16, infill station on the original O-Train Line between the norther terminus Bayview and Dow's Lake (formerly Carling). This station will have some of the heaviest TOD along the O-Train.
https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...august-16-2023







Bayview, August 16, the northern terminus of Line 2, transfer to Line 1 (and 3). The elevated station was built Stage 1, but the second Line 2 platform, and new south entrance are Stage 2. Pedestrian bridge to nowhere (future 27, 56 and 65 floor towers).
https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...august-16-2023

https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...august-18-2023













Walkley, August 20, infill station between Mooney's Bay and Greenboro, serving some recent high density suburban developments.







Carleton, August 20, Ottawa's second largest university, main source of Line 2 ridership for the first 20 odd years. Students have had a tough time without the train for the last 3 years and counting.
https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...august-20-2023



Uplands, August 12, on the Line 4 airport shuttle, between South Keys (transfer to Line 2) and the Airport station. Serves a 200k square feet trade show space.



Leitrim, August 12, middle of nowhere, park and ride and bus loop.



Bowesville, August 12, next station middle of nowhere, park and ride and bus loop.



Limebank, August 12, last station middle of nowhere, bus loop, promised town centre looking like it will be retail parking lots.

[J.OT13]

West extension snapshots.

Iris, August 3, low-density area local station. Great connections to NCC bike network.
https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...-august-3-2023



Queensview, August 2, Mostly serving big box retail and suburban style office space. Pedestrian bridge to IKEA and Ottawa Citizen, along with some entertainment options (Fun Haven, indoor roller skate).
https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...-august-2-2023



Pinecrest, August 2, medium density mid-century urban/suburban area. small bus loop. Some TOD proposed.
https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...-august-2-2023





Moodie LMSF, August 2, light maintenance and storage at the west terminus.
https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...-august-2-2023



Moodie, August 2, transfer station for Kanata buses, but quite far from Kanata still. Serves some employment like Abbott Pharmaceuticals and DND (again, a bit of a hike, but doable on foot, easy by bike).
https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...-august-2-2023





Lincoln Fields, August 2, major station where Line 1 and 3 split (cross platform transfers between out-bound trains). Bus loop for urban west end buses.
https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...-august-2-2023







Bayshore, August 2, medium to high density low income area and major mall. Another important bus transfer. decent TOD proposed.
https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...-august-2-2023





Algonquin, August 2, serves Ottawa's largest college, City services, some TOD a hike away. Line 1 terminus, transfer to Barrhaven bound buses. Train platform underground, includes storage tracks.
https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...-august-2-2023

[J.OT13]

Train spotting at Bayview Station. Line 2 platforms have the double Alstom Lint and the new Stadler Flirt.

Opening of Line 2 continues to be a moving target (kind of like the opening of Line 1 was). Seems like end of the year now when the original opening was supposed to be Summer 2022.

Originally Posted by Spoonsy

yup, taken tonight:


https://i.imgur.com/ZOZwZnR.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/YlUG3AS.jpg

almost got all three models in one shot but the FLIRT rolled out

https://i.imgur.com/QMxEZjAh.jpg

[leftimage]

Caisse's Emond 'extremely proud' of REM's early success

The electric driverless light-rail system has achieved a 99 per cent on-time rate so far, ferrying an average of 25,000 riders per day between Brossard and downtown Montreal.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...-early-success

Well done!!!