Perimeter Highway | Winnipeg

[bomberjet]

McGillivray twinning is a shit show. I gave them hell for it in my comments. Traffic lights everywhere. At least make the portion from 101 to the connection with Bishop/William Clement free flow. They're proposing stop lights on every connection, besides the crappy diamond they put in lieu of a systems interchange.

[Flatland Metropolis]

Is it the lights in the business section you are most annoyed with? With increased traffic there, I am not surprised they are putting these in. It was likely something that came out of plans with developers and the RM in the area. The RM would have to have requested these lights as MTI does not unilaterally install lights unless traffic counts warrant them.

[bomberjet]

No, I've given up hope there. I think the connection between Perimeter and the beltway should be freeway. So from 100 to Bishop/William Clement should be freeway, or at least planned (ugh, i know..) that way.

And they're close with these options. Just need to bypass the small cluster of homes at the NE end of the new interchange and it'd be easy.

But proposing traffic signals throughout every piece of this highway planning exercise is ridiculous.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

McGillivray twinning is a shit show. I gave them hell for it in my comments. Traffic lights everywhere. At least make the portion from 101 to the connection with Bishop/William Clement free flow. They're proposing stop lights on every connection, besides the crappy diamond they put in lieu of a systems interchange.

I've only seen the portion of #3 between 100 and Bishop Grandin with no lights. Problem is the lights are plenty between Brady Road and the Bishop Grandin expansion.

We have to keep in mind that Oak Bluff is a decade away from having 4,000 people.

[bomberjet]

There's 1 or 2 uncontrolled stops in that region depending upon the option, and then traffic lights a plenty on the beltway for sure.


I'd take bets that option 2b short term will be selected and we'll have traffic lights for centuries. Actually, that would require the City to contribute money. It'll be option 1. uncontrolled intersections and traffic signals.

Boards are here:
https://www.gov.mb.ca/asset_library/...dy-phase-2.pdf

[Carboy15]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

McGillivary has never been a limited access road.

It's similar to Bishop Grandin in some ways. I'm glad it isn't a stroad however

[Carboy15]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

McGillivary has never been a limited access road.

Not talking about a freeway, but more of a expressway where most if not all access are light controlled.

[bomberjet]

I haven't been by the St. Mary's site in a while. I assume they're full speed ahead working on the bridge to get it open for June.

I'm thinking when they say interchange open in June, it's the bridge with the realigned St. Mary's that will be ready. The rest of the ramps and stuff need the old road gone before they can be completed.

[wags_in_the_peg]

^i was by there on the weekend and there lots work left, some of the new roads are still being shored up with dirt

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I haven't been by the St. Mary's site in a while. I assume they're full speed ahead working on the bridge to get it open for June.

I'm thinking when they say interchange open in June, it's the bridge with the realigned St. Mary's that will be ready. The rest of the ramps and stuff need the old road gone before they can be completed.

Yeah, I was driving through there yesterday. Pretty much what wags said.

Steady as they go.

[Biff]

I work in the south end of the city, but yesterday I had to take the north Perimeter to get to an event...wow, is it ever busy at rush hour times.

I was on it at 7:30 am WB and it was bumper to bumper (both lanes) from Lagimodiere west to Brookside. On the way home at 3:30 it was much worse, being bumper to bumper stop and go traffic between Brookside and Pipeline because of the stupid traffic lights at Pipeline. I was stopped EB just east of the Brookside interchange. Then heavy bumper to bumper going 90km the rest of the way to Lagimodiere.

6 lanes would definitely help on this stretch. Main, Henderson and the river crossing needs to be addressed as it really becoming a safety issue with the weaving, entering and exiting all in the one right hand lane.

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by WildCake

Because the original designs for the 59N/101 interchange called for the through-pass so I guess that was part of their budget, and I'm sure it was there originally because some traffic engineers thought it was a good idea to add a local connection for the area once it actually filled in. It keeps people off Henderson, Lag, and Perimeter, keeping that capacity for longer trip travelers.

Then some residents that were certainly not traffic engineers started crying enough, got their way, and got access removed without having any factual evidence that traffic would be bad, just their fragile feelings of entitlement for the public road in front of their house.

Rather than kibosh the whole thing, I'm glad they kept it "for emergency access" for the time being so that decision can be reversed if/when needed to alleviate pressure on Henderson/Lag/Perimeter.

If they had never built the through-pass for Raleigh/Gateway, and suddenly the area had enough trips between the two areas to justify such a connection, it would certainly have fallen well into "never gonna happen" territory on Manitoba's long list of infrastructure needs.

I guess this goes to show that because I don't live in the area, but from time-to-time, drive on that interchange, I assume Raleigh would be open to the public with the pass through.

I'm surprised it's been semi-barricaded, because of a bunch of Karens.

I was gonna drive on Raleigh and go through that stretch of road, but that's not gonna happen, at least not in the short term anyway.

[bomberjet]

The throughpass was always for access of emergency vehicles to the area of east St. Paul inside the perimeter.

The barricading and public use was always a question, that most assumed on SSP it would eventually just open to regular traffic. Happened much quicker, easier and quieter then I expected.

[bomberjet]

Summary of public engagement for the North Perimeter study has been posted. Recommended design to come this fall.

https://www.gov.mb.ca/mti/pth101/pdf...pe_summary.pdf

[Hockey]

Originally Posted by Biff

I work in the south end of the city, but yesterday I had to take the north Perimeter to get to an event...wow, is it ever busy at rush hour times.

I was on it at 7:30 am WB and it was bumper to bumper (both lanes) from Lagimodiere west to Brookside. On the way home at 3:30 it was much worse, being bumper to bumper stop and go traffic between Brookside and Pipeline because of the stupid traffic lights at Pipeline. I was stopped EB just east of the Brookside interchange. Then heavy bumper to bumper going 90km the rest of the way to Lagimodiere.

6 lanes would definitely help on this stretch. Main, Henderson and the river crossing needs to be addressed as it really becoming a safety issue with the weaving, entering and exiting all in the one right hand lane.

The 2023-2027 MTI plan for Hwy100 includes interchanges at St.Marys, McGillvray and then St. Annes. I am wondering if Hwy101 interchanges will be done concurrently with Hwy100.

After reviewing the Functional Design Study for Hwy 101, one has to believe that Pipeline/101 is the priority. The existing configuration is a safety concern and improvements
are needed immediately.

[bomberjet]

From the tone of the public engagement, sounds like Pipeline. Then would likely be #6.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by Hockey

I am wondering if Hwy101 interchanges will be done concurrently with Hwy100.

If it's not in that document I would be surprised if there would suddenly be a pressing need for such a project to jump the queue of existing capital projects. It would only be if there was a Carberry-esque level of catastrophe that happened at PTH 6, PTH 15, or Pipeline that would make an interchange jump above the current planned capital projects within the 2027 timeframe of that document.

Usually these projects are announced years in advance. We don't even have confirmation whether the NDP government will go ahead with St Anne's and the rail line project, so at the earliest that would start in '26, likely '27 if it goes ahead. I don't think the current government will let the cash flow for new highway projects until the next election year. Maybe something in the '28-'30 range?

[Carboy15]

I'm hoping that Highway 15 and 101 get fixed on the North Perimeter first. That is by far the worst intersections in the province

[Wpgstvsouth94]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

From the tone of the public engagement, sounds like Pipeline. Then would likely be #6.

Driving on the north perimeter it’s shocking how everything feels like a Semi urban/ rural freeway then you hit pipeline and it just doesn’t make any sense. Either build a simple Diamond interchange there or close the damn intersection until they do. It’s crazy how one intersection can ruin the flow of traffic. This is definitely number one on the list! Once highway 100 and number three interchange gets underway,and if they complete Highway six and the perimeter After that the perimeter would be free flow from LaSalle all the way to Wenzel Street. I’d call that a win-win.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by Biff

I was on it at 7:30 am WB and it was bumper to bumper (both lanes) from Lagimodiere west to Brookside. On the way home at 3:30 it was much worse, being bumper to bumper stop and go traffic between Brookside and Pipeline because of the stupid traffic lights at Pipeline. I was stopped EB just east of the Brookside interchange. Then heavy bumper to bumper going 90km the rest of the way to Lagimodiere.

6 lanes would definitely help on this stretch. Main, Henderson and the river crossing needs to be addressed as it really becoming a safety issue with the weaving, entering and exiting all in the one right hand lane.

A lot of the situation on the north Perimeter is that there are really no alternative east-west routes. Sure CPT is good but its so limited use going from Lag to Main. Regent/Narin could be compared somewhat to Fremor except it will never connect to the Perimeter and has both a lot more lights and a lot more in/out connections.

The biggest thing the north Perimeter has going in its favour is it really needs two grade separations (HWY 6 and Pipeline) to be free flowing from Lag to Portage. If you add Gunn Rd and HWY 15 yes there would still be some lights between Fremor and Portage but it would be close to free flowing.