Ontario Highways

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I’m wondering:
Suppose you’re already on the 407 heading east, wanting to go back to the 401 (during pm rush)...
If cost’s not an issue, which highway will you go down on: 412, 418 or 115?
I don’t wanna do 412 because 401’s no good through Oshawa during that time, but I’m undecided between 418 and 115.

Well, if you need to go east of the 115, I'd take that.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Well, if you need to go east of the 115, I'd take that.

I guess I don’t exactly mind the 90 km/h limit throughout the RIRO section. What about the part where it curves westtoward 401 (to go around Newcastle) though? Lol won’t that backtrack bother you?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I guess I don’t exactly mind the 90 km/h limit throughout the RIRO section. What about the part where it curves westtoward 401 (to go around Newcastle) though? Lol won’t that backtrack bother you?

The curve isn't enough to matter and I'll bet that that changes soon enough to 6 lane freeway. The demand as the end of the 407 will make upgrading it, at least to freeway standards with 100/110 km/hr limit will become the next priority.

[Djeffery]

Going all the way to the 115 means you go further east and come back a few km west by the time you get down to the 401, and also go further north of the 401 than taking the 418, plus the higher speed limit on the 418. Cost doesn't really matter, you only save a couple km of toll road by taking 418 then going 407 all the way.

Has there been any talk of the 407 going east of this at any point? Would it make sense for it to join the 401, maybe near Port Hope or something? Probably doesn't gain anything that the 418 doesn't already address.

[Dengler Avenue]

Relax Djeffrey lol. 407 shouldn’t need to tap into Northumberland or Peterborough County. Further capacity issue on the 401 where there are already 6 lanes should be addressed by adding an HOV lane. The issue is, west of Cobourg, there’s a section where the westbound and eastbound lanes are at different altitudes. I wonder how adding HOV will work there. Where there are only 4 lanes, 401 should be widened to 6 lanes (if not 8 right away) or we should make sure that Via HFR doesn’t follow apart. (They aren’t mutually exclusive by the way.)

Edit: I see it now. By the time one hits the end of 407, the backtrack will be a serious one. I guess 418 it is.

Ps: I also hope MTO will one day convert the RIRO section of 115 into a proper freeway and rename it Highway 428 like a continuation of Highway 28. (The segment of the latter through Peterborough and Northumberland was downloaded.) Lol, has anyone noticed that Northumberland is the only county that doesn’t have any non-400-series provincial highways?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

Going all the way to the 115 means you go further east and come back a few km west by the time you get down to the 401, and also go further north of the 401 than taking the 418, plus the higher speed limit on the 418. Cost doesn't really matter, you only save a couple km of toll road by taking 418 then going 407 all the way.

Has there been any talk of the 407 going east of this at any point? Would it make sense for it to join the 401, maybe near Port Hope or something? Probably doesn't gain anything that the 418 doesn't already address.

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Relax Djeffrey lol. 407 shouldn’t need to tap into Northumberland or Peterborough County. Further capacity issue on the 401 where there are already 6 lanes should be addressed by adding an HOV lane. The issue is, west of Cobourg, there’s a section where the westbound and eastbound lanes are at different altitudes. I wonder how adding HOV will work there. Where there are only 4 lanes, 401 should be widened to 6 lanes (if not 8 right away) or we should make sure that Via HFR doesn’t follow apart. (They aren’t mutually exclusive by the way.)

Edit: I see it now. By the time one hits the end of 407, the backtrack will be a serious one. I guess 418 it is.

Ps: I also hope MTO will one day convert the RIRO section of 115 into a proper freeway and rename it Highway 428 like a continuation of Highway 28. (The segment of the latter through Peterborough and Northumberland was downloaded.) Lol, has anyone noticed that Northumberland is the only county that doesn’t have any non-400-series provincial highways?

What would be great is if the 115 was converted to full freeway. Then they extend the 407 east to go to Ottawa.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

What would be great is if the 115 was converted to full freeway. Then they extend the 407 east to go to Ottawa.

I will leave the twinning of all of 7 between Peterborough and Carleton Place* contingent on Via HFR. At this point, we can assume that, if it goes through, it’s to take on the former ROW between Peterborough and Smith Falls. I’ll reply to your comments on Via (in both fora) when I get to it.

* The future freeway part of Highway 7 between Carleton Place and Perth is slated to go south of Mississippi Lake. Is it possible to tweak it a bit so it goes right by Smith Falls Station? I can see how this can add 16 km to the distance between Perth and Carleton Place (34 km vs 50 km) and result in minimal time savings (34 km/80 kph * 60 min/hr = 25.5 minutes vs 50 km/120kph * 60 min/hr = 25 minutes) though. I’m suggesting this just as a safe way for people in Perth and points west to get to the station safely.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I will leave the twinning of all of 7 between Peterborough and Carleton Place* contingent on Via HFR. At this point, we can assume that, if it goes through, it’s to take on the former ROW between Peterborough and Smith Falls. I’ll reply to your comments on Via (in both fora) when I get to it.

* The future freeway part of Highway 7 between Carleton Place and Perth is slated to go south of Mississippi Lake. Is it possible to tweak it a bit so it goes right by Smith Falls Station? I can see how this can add 16 km to the distance between Perth and Carleton Place (34 km vs 50 km) and result in minimal time savings (34 km/80 kph * 60 min/hr = 25.5 minutes vs 50 km/120kph * 60 min/hr = 25 minutes) though. I’m suggesting this just as a safe way for people in Perth and points west to get to the station safely.

Show me one station in Canada that has that kind of access... not that it shouldn't be done.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Show me one station in Canada that has that kind of access... not that it shouldn't be done.

Tremblay (417), Oshawa (401) & Dorval (A20)

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Tremblay (417), Oshawa (401) & Dorval (A20)

They are not directly accessible, but they are close. I'll give you those.

[Dengler Avenue]

On another note, now that 407 East and 418 are opened, MTO should install an electric panel 1 km west of 412 showing traffic condition on 401 in both directions, likewise with 418, and with 115, so 3 electric panels in total.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

On another note, now that 407 East and 418 are opened, MTO should install an electric panel 1 km west of 412 showing traffic condition on 401 in both directions, likewise with 418, and with 115, so 3 electric panels in total.

They should also display the cost too.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

They should also display the cost too.

good one

[TownGuy]

There's so few people using the 418 right now that it isn't displaying traffic on Google Maps from Taunton to the 401 (basically the whole thing).

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by TownGuy

There's so few people using the 418 right now that it isn't displaying traffic on Google Maps from Taunton to the 401 (basically the whole thing).

You sure? Or is it simply too new? It may take Google Maps a few days to adjust. Also 418’s minor relatively to 407.

Edit: It’s not even showing the new SB-entrance-only and NB-exit-only ramps.

[TownGuy]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

You sure? Or is it simply too new? It may take Google Maps a few days to adjust. Also 418’s minor relatively to 407.

Edit: It’s not even showing the new SB-entrance-only and NB-exit-only ramps.

I was wondering that, but it is showing traffic on the extension to the 115.

[Dengler Avenue]

Has 407ETR always had different prices for different time periods on weekends? Or is this gonna be the adjustment starting next January? Travelling between 11 am and 7 pm on weekends will cost more than between 7 pm and 11 am...

[haljackey]

Highbury Avenue South / Wenige Expressway to start upgrades next year

http://www.london.ca/residents/Roads...on%20FINAL.pdf

I think the MTO is also planning to rebuild the Highbury/401 interchange soon too, but it won't be free flowing. Stoplights remain on a freeway...

Reddit discussion if interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/londonontar...ghbury_avenue/

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by haljackey

Highbury Avenue South / Wenige Expressway to start upgrades next year

http://www.london.ca/residents/Roads...on%20FINAL.pdf

I think the MTO is also planning to rebuild the Highbury/401 interchange soon too, but it won't be free flowing. Stoplights remain on a freeway...

The one oddity in Ontario eh? Time to lobby MTO to put flyover ramps from 401E to Highbury Avenue N and to protect the movement from Highbury Avenue S to 401E from the traffic light.

Funny enough, service interchanges between freeways are pretty common in the states.

[Innsertnamehere]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Has 407ETR always had different prices for different time periods on weekends? Or is this gonna be the adjustment starting next January? Travelling between 11 am and 7 pm on weekends will cost more than between 7 pm and 11 am...

That has always been the case, yes.