Should Quebec be allowed to have its own national team in intl sports tournaments?

[theman23]

Originally Posted by saffronleaf

Lafreniere looks like he will be a star.

Of course it will be tilted in favor of Canada -- just look at the population numbers.

But if it's a single game elimination tournament, anything can happen. If Sweden and Finland can win or go far, Quebec certainly can do so. They would be underdogs though, for sure.

But Quebec - ROC games would be nuts.

Could see them getting intense in soccer too in the distant future.

Both Sweden and Finland would be far more talented than a Quebec team. Those countries also have men’s leagues to draw from.

[Proof Sheet]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

No.

The UK is an exception. The UK is always an exception. They are weird like that. For one, they drive on the wrong side of the road. .

As does India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Japan, Malaysia, Thailand, South Africa, NZ, Australia, Jamaica, Trinidad, Sri Lanka, Malta, Cyprus, Hong Kong, Macau.

[bobi]

In the case of hockey, yes. This would give Québec hockey players the opportunity of forming and having a full team (experiencing international tournaments), instead of just a few players amongst another team.

Not to mention that they would not be forbidden to speak their own language among themselves during the games.

[bobi]

Originally Posted by theman23

Both Sweden and Finland would be far more talented than a Quebec team. Those countries also have men’s leagues to draw from.

Tu es de Québec ? Alors dis moi, depuis les 40 dernières années, combien de choix de 1re ronde au repêchage proviennent de la Suède, de la Finlande et du Québec ?

[Luisito]

Yes, the nation of Quebec deserves it's own athletic representation.

[LakeLocker]

Originally Posted by saffronleaf

Why so much opposition?

I don't see how Quebec isn't at least as distinctive and a nation of its own as Scotland is from England, for example.

Recognizing that nationhood can let Quebec develop its identity further and make it feel more like it belongs in Canada, which is multinational in character but not so much when it comes to real life expressions of that, like in sport.

Just imagine Canada Quebec international hockey matches...

I agree only in international hockey.

Everyone wins.

International tournaments have an extra team so it becomes the top 7 instead of the top 6.

It increases the odds that Canada won't dominate every international hockey tournament.

Most important it makes hockey unique in terms of international competitions.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by bobi

Tu es de Québec ? Alors dis moi, depuis les 40 dernières années, combien de choix de 1re ronde au repêchage proviennent de la Suède, de la Finlande et du Québec ?

No.
Not sure what the last 40 years have to do with anything.
Not many 60 year old hockey players playing these days.

Would anyone really take this lineup:
https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/prov...-19-stats.html

Over this?
https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/nati...-19-stats.html

[Calgarian]

You know if Quebec does it Alberta would likely want to do it to, then maybe BC... lol

[lio45]

Logically, my answer is "not until independence". For the same reason, I also am opposed on logical grounds to British subnational jurisdictions having their own teams. In a perfectly rational world, Irish athletes competed under the UK's banner until the 1924 Olympics (haven't verified but I assume they did!) and Scottish athletes have always done so.

If a given nation wants their own official team, fine, then achieve sovereignty, and THEN a bunch of stuff will ensue, among which, embassies, a UN seat, your own treaties, your own military, your own international sports teams, etc.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Luisito

Yes, the nation of Quebec deserves it's own athletic representation.

To reiterate my point above, IMO it definitely doesn't deserve that, not until it proves it deserves it by voting for sovereignty.

Voting to remain in Canada implies various things, among them the understanding that our athletes will be competing under the banner of that country in international events.

Ireland deserves its own international athletic representation. Scotland, Wales, Catalonia do not.

[bobi]

Originally Posted by theman23

No.
Not sure what the last 40 years have to do with anything.
Not many 60 year old hockey players playing these days.

Would anyone really take this lineup:
https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/prov...-19-stats.html

Over this?
https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/nati...-19-stats.html

Mauvaise comparaison ; aucun vrai fan d'hockey ne se laisserait prendre à ce genre d'exercice. Tant qu'à faire, compare donc les meilleurs marqueurs de la WHA avec ceux la LNH...

Mais je vais reformuler la question autrement : présentement, quels sont les nombres respectifs de joueurs suédois, finlandais et québécois dans la LNH ?

[Chadillaccc]

No.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by lio45

To reiterate my point above, IMO it definitely doesn't deserve that, not until it proves it deserves it by voting for sovereignty.

Voting to remain in Canada implies various things, among them the understanding that our athletes will be competing under the banner of that country in international events.

Ireland deserves its own international athletic representation. Scotland, Wales, Catalonia do not.

^ Ceci dit, à bien y penser, je vais changer mon vote pour "Un Québec indépendant dans un Canada fort et uni, et avec ses propres équipes sportives internationales"

[theman23]

Originally Posted by bobi

Mauvaise comparaison ; aucun vrai fan d'hockey ne se laisserait prendre à ce genre d'exercice. Tant qu'à faire, compare donc les meilleurs marqueurs de la WHA avec ceux la LNH...

Mais je vais reformuler la question autrement : présentement, quels sont les nombres respectifs de joueurs suédois, finlandais et québécois dans la LNH ?

These are all the NHL players. 49 Finns, 47 Quebeckers, and 97 Swedish (https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/nati...-19-stats.html).

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by bobi

Tu es de Québec ?

Non, il n'est pas de Québec.

"Ville de Québec" dans son profil, ce n'est qu'une boutade.

[Acajack]

As I said earlier, Scotland, Wales, etc. get to compete separately in certain sports out of tradition (and typically only where international federations have a very British history).

I am absolutely positive that under the current political arrangement (ie an intact Canada) both the IIHF and the IOC - which are the two we'd care most
about - would respond with a resounding "no" to this proposal.

Not necessarily because they have something against Quebec, but because they need to have ground rules and making exceptions opens up a huge can of worms.

[JHikka]

No.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by JHikka

No.

Agree - the ability to get behind and cheer for our national teams at world championship events or the Olympics is one of the few "ties that bind" that the country has left. It is a unifying force. If we lost that, it would be another nail in the coffin for the federation. Canada is too fragile as it is - a disparate collection of disconnected communities arranged like a horizontal Chile across the top of the USA, plagued by linguistic, ethnic, cultural, philosophical and economic differences that would challenge far stronger countries than our own.

International sports gives us something to rally around. Federal monies spent on international sports is money well spent. It is the "circuses" of the old maxim "bread and circuses".........

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by theman23

No.
Not sure what the last 40 years have to do with anything.
Not many 60 year old hockey players playing these days.

Would anyone really take this lineup:
https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/prov...-19-stats.html

Over this?
https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/nati...-19-stats.html

Assuming this is true, should it really be the guiding principle for such things? If so, then why doesn't Canada create a joint Olympic basketball team with the USA? We'd be able to claim gold almost every single time.

Even the little guys win against the big guys sometimes. I was with the Finns when they *finally* beat the arch-rival Swedes in the world hockey championships and it was insane.

I also recall watching Puerto Rico (the IOC allows them to compete under their own flag ) beat the USA Dream Team on the basketball court at the Olympics.

[JHikka]

Firstly, I don't believe Quebec should ever field a team separate from Canada under any circumstances.

Secondly, I decided to make up a fake roster for 2022 Beijing if they were ever allowed to do so.

Huberdeau-Bergeron-Mantha
Marchessault-Dubois-Gourde
Drouin-Danault-Perron
Duclair-Beauvillier-Chiasson
Paquette

Chabot-Letang
Girard-Savard
Vlasic-Scandella

Fleury
Crawford

This team is...not that great, and both goalies will be 36 in time for Beijing. The other goalie options? Domingue, Montembeault, and Bernier.
Quebec simply does not produce the number and quality of players that it used to relative to the rest of the world, so their teams will only become less and less competitive on the world stage as time goes on. I suppose winning wouldn't matter as much as physically having a team would, though.

I think i'd take BC over them:

Kane-Nugent-Hopkins-Reinhart
Benn-Johansen-Connolly
Kerfoot-Barzal-Virtanen
Khaira-Sissons-Turris
Brouwer

Rielly-Barrie
Theodore-Weber
Stecher-Benn

Price
Broissoit