Where are the most affluent areas located in your metro?

[yaletown_fella]

Originally Posted by Obadno

Quite honestly this looks like the nicer wealthy suburbs of any major Midwestern city

I kind of agree. Like Bloomfield Hills or a wealthy Chicago suburb.

For some reason the newer East Coast suburbs on the other hand have huge homes but covered in siding or wood which is relatively rare in suburban Toronto.

Believe it or not, To me the less treed parts of York Mills look a lot more like a wealthy LA enclave than any East Coast suburb of similar affluence.

Maybe the more treed parts of York Mills like Hoggs Hollow could pass as a wealthy area outside Paterson NJ

[yaletown_fella]

Originally Posted by Docere

In Toronto, I'd say wealthy Asians bypass the older established wealthy disticts, which are basically a mix of WASPs and (non-Orthodox) Jews. Forest Hill is very Jewish (around 40%), Rosedale is still very WASPy. North of St. Clair, Avenue Rd. seems to be a rough boundary between the Jewish-heavy Bathurst Corridor and traditionally WASP Yonge St. Bathurst is the western edge of the high income corridor of Toronto.

York Mills is high class 1950s/1960s suburbia. A secondary Jewish concentration emerged around Bayview/Leslie, but it has become much more Asian in recent years.

As for Yorkville, probably fairly evenly split between WASPs and Jews.

I think the differences are even more pronounced when you get into Thornhill. With the Chinese East of Bayview. And probably a higher % of conservative/light Orthodox leaning jewish people around the Uplands Golf Club side of Thornhill than you will find in Forest Hill. Athough instead, of WASP there is a higher % of Italians sprinkled on both sides. Thats just my anecdotal experience.

When I think of west Thornhill I think of people like Sam Mizrahi or Alex Shnaider

[Docere]

Originally Posted by yaletown_fella

I think the differences are even more pronounced when you get into Thornhill. With the Chinese East of Bayview. And probably a higher % of conservative/light Orthodox leaning jewish people around the Uplands Golf Club side of Thornhill than you will find in Forest Hill. Athough instead, of WASP there is a higher % of Italians sprinkled on both sides. Thats just my anecdotal experience.

When I think of west Thornhill I think of people like Sam Mizrahi or Alex Shnaider

Yeah, new money, immigrant, not necessarily the traditional professional path. Lots of Orthodox too since they like newer, bigger homes (closer-in, they've transformed Ledbury Park).

[edale]

Originally Posted by yaletown_fella

I kind of agree. Like Bloomfield Hills or a wealthy Chicago suburb.

For some reason the newer East Coast suburbs on the other hand have huge homes but covered in siding or wood which is relatively rare in suburban Toronto.

Believe it or not, To me the less treed parts of York Mills look a lot more like a wealthy LA enclave than any East Coast suburb of similar affluence.

Maybe the more treed parts of York Mills like Hoggs Hollow could pass as a wealthy area outside Paterson NJ

I actually thought the same thing about those York Mills shots looking like wealthy areas of LA, just with much different vegetation. While these lots are large for being in the city, the houses are closer together and the lots are a bit smaller than what you find in a lot of wealthy portions of Midwest cities. Not sure about the East Coast, but I think that's generally true there, too.

In a lot of the wealthy areas of the midwest, you can't even see the homes from the street, and it's not due to high gates or vegetation, but rather that they're set back so far from the street with long, winding driveways. You really don't see much of this type of development in LA, probably because real estate is just too expensive, and lots are smaller even for the uber wealthy (some exceptions exist here, of course). Even the wealthy areas are pretty densely built out.

Here's an aerial of the non-flats (wealthiest) portion of Beverly Hills:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0854.../data=!3m1!1e3

Contrast that to Lake Forest (Chicago): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2554.../data=!3m1!1e3

Indian Hill (Cincinnati):
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1514.../data=!3m1!1e3

Hunting Valley (Cleveland):
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4771.../data=!3m1!1e3

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by edale

I actually thought the same thing about those York Mills shots looking like wealthy areas of LA, just with much different vegetation. While these lots are large for being in the city, the houses are closer together and the lots are a bit smaller than what you find in a lot of wealthy portions of Midwest cities. Not sure about the East Coast, but I think that's generally true there, too.

In a lot of the wealthy areas of the midwest, you can't even see the homes from the street, and it's not due to high gates or vegetation, but rather that they're set back so far from the street with long, winding driveways. You really don't see much of this type of development in LA, probably because real estate is just too expensive, and lots are smaller even for the uber wealthy (some exceptions exist here, of course). Even the wealthy areas are pretty densely built out.

Here's an aerial of the non-flats (wealthiest) portion of Beverly Hills:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0854.../data=!3m1!1e3

Contrast that to Lake Forest (Chicago): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2554.../data=!3m1!1e3

Indian Hill (Cincinnati):
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1514.../data=!3m1!1e3

Hunting Valley (Cleveland):
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4771.../data=!3m1!1e3

that is generally true, but for cleveland the wealthy, or seen as wealthy i should say, inner suburban lakefront village of bratenahl has rather more density. not beverly hills or west vancouver hillside density, but an interesting midwest lakefront version at least. its funny how some wealthy folks like the waterfront, although many seem to want those large exclusive acreage burbs. hopefully some of that game switches to downtown in the ohio 3C's in the coming years.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Br...!4d-81.6051924

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

that is generally true, but for cleveland the wealthy, or seen as wealthy i should say, inner suburban lakefront village of bratenahl has rather more density. not beverly hills or west vancouver hillside density, but an interesting midwest lakefront version at least. its funny how some wealthy folks like the waterfront, although many seem to want those large exclusive acreage burbs. hopefully some of that game switches to downtown in the ohio 3C's in the coming years.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Br...!4d-81.6051924

Yeah, I think only one of those Toronto neighborhoods looks like Bloomfield Hills, where the houses tend to be on large lots. I would say those look more like Grosse Pointe Farms, which has large houses on small lots: https://goo.gl/maps/SjYDTmUnqvRndoLm8

[mrnyc]

sneden's landing -- just above the nj/ny border on the hudson river -- is an interesting little hideaway for celebrities that many people don't know about -- and they like it that way ha.

https://nypost.com/2017/01/04/this-s...h-celebrities/

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

agreed, except to compare bratenahl to detroit a bit, it would be as if gpf was moved inward, like near the belle isle bridge.

Yeah, I didn't think those places looked much like the inner city mansion hoods in Detroit, so I didn't include them. Detroit's mansion neighborhoods are older. Especially the ones closer to downtown:

https://goo.gl/maps/VFYuktiiG1urbccG7

https://goo.gl/maps/nTm1p8VMGKVXYP7j8

[mrnyc]

^ oh yeah, i am familiar with detroit, i went to school nearby. yes less old school, but there really isnt a direct comparison with detroit. afaik anyway. i guess i would say bratenahl is less dense looking than the grosse pointes, but has the cleveland style mix of housing and then a few big condo towers in the mix, plus the boating.

these kind of legacy inner wealthy areas are very small though, so kind of just interesting urban blips, but at least they hold some wealth close to home.

and some choice if you got money and they let you get in on it.

[Crawford]

The Upper Yonge corridor, to me, feels more like the new money teardown areas in Oakland County:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5425...7i13312!8i6656

Doesn't look exactly the same, but I think the same types of families occupy both spaces.

[edale]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

^ oh yeah, i am familiar with detroit, i went to school nearby. yes less old school, but there really isnt a direct comparison with detroit. afaik anyway. i guess i would say bratenahl is less dense looking than the grosse pointes, but has the cleveland style mix of housing and then a few big condo towers in the mix, plus the boating.

these kind of legacy inner wealthy areas are very small though, so kind of just interesting urban blips, but at least they hold some wealth close to home.

and some choice if you got money and they let you get in on it.

Yeah, there are some rich, older neighborhoods like Bratenahl in Cincy, too.

East Walnut Hills:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1289...7i13312!8i6656

North Avondale:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1528...7i13312!8i6656

Clifton:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1530...7i16384!8i8192

These areas are all very nice, and I would certainly prefer living in a neighborhood like this instead of something with a huge amount of acreage, but the real big money in Cincinnati is out in Indian Hill. I believe, but could be wrong, that the same is true in Cleveland. Lots of money in Shaker and lakeside enclaves like Bratenahl and parts of Lakewood/Edgewater, but the super wealthy live in Hunting Valley and Gates Mills and the like.