International cities that Canadian cities most resemble demographically

Docere · #1 Posted **Dec 11, 2023, 8:22 PM**

Toronto I'd say London, followed by NYC and Melbourne. London has similar share of South Asian and Caribbean, while the lack of a major Chinese/East Asian population is the main difference. The borough of Queens is the "Toronto of the USA" (though obviously has other demographics - it's about as Hispanic as it is Asian for example). Melbourne is a lot whiter than Toronto and lacks a lot of groups Toronto has (few Blacks and much less South Asian) but fairly similar in terms of East Asians and is also the most "white ethnic" city in Australia.

Montreal is a difficult one given its francophone/North American nature. Maybe Paris. It has demographics more in line with the francophone, no North American city for example has such large North African populations (but nowhere near the Paris numbers). Interestingly Boston might be closest, similar Asian population shares and Haitians are the largest Black immigrant group in both.

Vancouver is of course very Asian and especially Chinese; closest would probably be the Bay Area. Bay Area is the most Asian place in the mainland US (and more Asian than British and even Australian cities). San Jose-Santa Clara County might come closest as it is plurality-Asian (though again has the Hispanic presence Van lacks).

Once you get outside the big three, it gets harder. Since they're less international and more "typical Canadian" so to speak.

Acajack · #2 Posted **Dec 11, 2023, 9:33 PM**

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Montreal is a difficult one given its francophone/North American nature. Maybe Paris. It has demographics more in line with the francophone, no North American city for example has such large North African populations (but nowhere near the Paris numbers). Interestingly Boston might be closest, similar Asian population shares and Haitians are the largest Black immigrant group in both.
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Montreal does increasingly have the feel of the international Francophonie, and yes this does give off a Parisian vibe demographically.

Of course, the Anglo-Montreal community is something that doesn't really exist in Paris, and that's more a mix of Toronto and New York, albeit often with a high degree of familiarity with French that neither of those two cities' denizens have.

MolsonExport · #3 Posted **Dec 11, 2023, 10:00 PM**

Toronto is the spitting image of Jakarta, whereas Montreal is a dead Ringer for Lima.

Docere · #4 Posted **Dec 11, 2023, 10:20 PM**

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Montreal does increasingly have the feel of the international Francophonie, and yes this does give off a Parisian vibe demographically.

Of course, the Anglo-Montreal community is something that doesn't really exist in Paris, and that's more a mix of Toronto and New York, albeit often with a high degree of familiarity with French that neither of those two cities' denizens have.

There is a bit of a "New York"-esque aspect of Anglo-Montrealers:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...&postcount=419

MolsonExport · #5 Posted **Dec 11, 2023, 10:46 PM**

Most of the buildings in Old Montreal have no commonality with buildings from France built in that period; on the contrary, these buildings are more similar with what you'd find in other British-controlled cities from that era, no matter how much this upsets that tiring agent provocateur, "New" Brisavoine.

kja384 · #6 Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 12:00 AM**

If you consider Auckland to be an international city then I would put it up as a comparison to Vancouver

Docere · #7 Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 12:15 AM**

Auckland is a lot smaller but it's a pretty "global" place. Like Vancouver it is also a Beta+ city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global...search_Network

905er · #8 Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 12:28 AM**

Brampton - Mumbai or Delhi

Luisito · #9 Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 12:37 AM**

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Toronto I'd say London, followed by NYC and Melbourne. .

London and Melbourne yes. NYC not so much. Hispanics and Blacks together make up of half of NYC. Probably more.

Docere · #10 Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 12:37 AM**

Slough - 20 miles west of London - seems to be somewhat comparable to Brampton.

kwoldtimer · #11 Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 12:41 AM**

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Brampton - Mumbai or Delhi

More Ludhiana or Pune than Mumbai or Delhi.

Docere · #12 Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 12:47 AM**

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London and Melbourne yes. NYC not so much. Hispanics and Blacks together make up of half of NYC. Probably more.

In your view, Toronto and Glasgow are probably more comparable than Toronto and NYC.

Proof Sheet · #13 Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 12:49 AM**

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Slough - 20 miles west of London - seems to be somewhat comparable to Brampton.

Slough is where the Brentmeister General was the head guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9llfUGKW4KI

Luisito · #14 Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 12:50 AM**

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In your view, Toronto and Glasgow are probably more comparable than Toronto and NYC.

In your view, you overlook demographics. Hispanics and Blacks together make up over half of NYC.

905er · #15 Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 1:24 AM**

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More Ludhiana or Pune than Mumbai or Delhi.

...yes all of them.

Docere · #16 Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 2:57 AM**

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In your view, you overlook demographics. Hispanics and Blacks together make up over half of NYC.

Half or more of NYC Blacks are of Caribbean origin, and West Indians are not a "unique to the USA" demographic.

Coldrsx · #17 Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 3:10 AM**

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Toronto I'd say London, followed by NYC and Melbourne. London has similar share of South Asian and Caribbean, while the lack of a major Chinese/East Asian population is the main difference. The borough of Queens is the "Toronto of the USA" (though obviously has other demographics - it's about as Hispanic as it is Asian for example). Melbourne is a lot whiter than Toronto and lacks a lot of groups Toronto has (few Blacks and much less South Asian) but fairly similar in terms of East Asians and is also the most "white ethnic" city in Australia.

Montreal is a difficult one given its francophone/North American nature. Maybe Paris. It has demographics more in line with the francophone, no North American city for example has such large North African populations (but nowhere near the Paris numbers). Interestingly Boston might be closest, similar Asian population shares and Haitians are the largest Black immigrant group in both.

Vancouver is of course very Asian and especially Chinese; closest would probably be the Bay Area. Bay Area is the most Asian place in the mainland US (and more Asian than British and even Australian cities). San Jose-Santa Clara County might come closest as it is plurality-Asian (though again has the Hispanic presence Van lacks).

Once you get outside the big three, it gets harder. Since they're less international and more "typical Canadian" so to speak.

I'm guessing that you've never really travelled?

Docere · #18 Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 3:13 AM**

You're correct. I've never left Toronto in my life except for one trip to Jacksonville to see the amazing skyline. I have to say I was a bit underwhelmed given all the hype.

Coldrsx · #19 Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 3:19 AM**

I was thinking only Orlando, but that makes more sense.

Luisito · #20 Posted **Dec 12, 2023, 3:31 AM**

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Half or more of NYC Blacks are of Caribbean origin, and West Indians are not a "unique to the USA" demographic.

No but a large chunk of Black New yorkers are. The original Black communities of that city are not of immigrant stock. The largest group of Caribbean people are actually Latinos. NYC probably has more Puerto Ricans alone than Black and Latinos in Toronto combined. Toronto has no Puerto Ricans.