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Old Posted Oct 29, 2019, 6:57 PM
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I have a family member whos a higher up in business banking and pretty much puts the blame solely on Skinners for not having a better lease with right of first refusal. That is common practice in the industry and something Skinners obviously didn't negotiate into their previous leases.
Leases usually have renewal clauses, but they don't last forever. There may have been previous renewal clauses under the original lease that have been used up.

Whether you like Skinners or hate it, it is a matter of personal preference. Same as any restaurant. The location didn't survive by accident for 30 years. There has been a demand for their products. That will be understandable to some of you and boggle the minds of the rest of you. Some of you dislike the food, others like it. I don't understand the ad hominem attacks people make on each other on this board when they disagree over the quality of a particular restaurant. We ALL are entitled to our opinions. We may have to agree to disagree. The fact Skinners wanted to stay suggests the business was still viable.

As has been pointed out by others, we only have one side of the story. Assuming the version we have heard is 100% true, it is a bit of a PR disaster for the Forks. It leaves existing businesses to wonder what will happen to their business at the Forks. There is also the backlash of the "little guy" being pushed out against his will. The concept that will take over the space may be successful or fail. Who knows? In the long run the Forks may rue not continuing with Skinners. Time will tell
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2019, 7:30 PM
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I often get confused when some of you talk about whether you actually believe in this whole capitalism thing or not
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2019, 7:44 PM
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2019, 4:21 PM
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Leases usually have renewal clauses, but they don't last forever. There may have been previous renewal clauses under the original lease that have been used up.

Whether you like Skinners or hate it, it is a matter of personal preference. Same as any restaurant. The location didn't survive by accident for 30 years. There has been a demand for their products. That will be understandable to some of you and boggle the minds of the rest of you. Some of you dislike the food, others like it. I don't understand the ad hominem attacks people make on each other on this board when they disagree over the quality of a particular restaurant. We ALL are entitled to our opinions. We may have to agree to disagree. The fact Skinners wanted to stay suggests the business was still viable.

As has been pointed out by others, we only have one side of the story. Assuming the version we have heard is 100% true, it is a bit of a PR disaster for the Forks. It leaves existing businesses to wonder what will happen to their business at the Forks. There is also the backlash of the "little guy" being pushed out against his will. The concept that will take over the space may be successful or fail. Who knows? In the long run the Forks may rue not continuing with Skinners. Time will tell
The Forks said awhile before renos were completed in the food common that they do not want long term leases and want fresh new pop ups and constantly changing them.
While I do not like that plan, it is not my decision. Without Skinners and the many long terms eateries,
Parking costs and not the food I prefer so I am rarely going any longer.
It is especially tough if you go with elders and so yes, not everyone can bike there.
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2019, 5:25 PM
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The Forks said awhile before renos were completed in the food common that they do not want long term leases and want fresh new pop ups and constantly changing them.
That was the plan for The Common but when they went to implement it they quickly found it wasn't going to work. They then did a quick pivot to still keeping common elements among the newer places but they would not be limited to very short term (ie six month) leases.
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2019, 6:35 PM
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It's the same situation that happened with Human Bean and, like with most "controversies," it had zero effect on The Forks business. While TFNP has a policy not to comment, it was fairly well known that Human Bean was paying very low rent and was offended when TFNP told them the renewal would actually be at market-driven rates now. Not some bizarro subsidized borderline free rate that only existed due to a parkade 2 km away that generated tons of revenue, and generally low interest from locals in visiting regularly.
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2019, 10:20 PM
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Without Skinners and the many long terms eateries,
Parking costs and not the food I prefer so I am rarely going any longer.
It is especially tough if you go with elders and so yes, not everyone can bike there.
It's busier than ever at the Forks, so it seems like they are doing something right. The people who dislike the changes are evidently outnumbered by the people who like them.
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Some of you dislike the food, others like it. I don't understand the ad hominem attacks people make on each other on this board when they disagree over the quality of a particular restaurant. We ALL are entitled to our opinions. We may have to agree to disagree. The fact Skinners wanted to stay suggests the business was still viable.

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Old Posted Nov 5, 2019, 3:17 AM
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More plans revealed for The Wood (Norwood Hotel) that look pretty sweet. Target opening October 24.
My wife and I split some ribs and steak this past weekend at the Wood Tavern this past weekend and we were quite disappointed in the quality and value. We both shouldn't be hungry after finishing our meals. And the mixed seasonal vegetables with the steak were five charred skinny carrots. Just surprised they could skimp on the portions, have average tasting food, and charge the prices they did. But maybe they'll adjust.

It has a great atmosphere, though they're still working on the brightness of the lights (either too dark or too bright).
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My wife and I split some ribs and steak this past weekend at the Wood Tavern this past weekend and we were quite disappointed in the quality and value. We both shouldn't be hungry after finishing our meals. And the mixed seasonal vegetables with the steak were five charred skinny carrots. Just surprised they could skimp on the portions, have average tasting food, and charge the prices they did. But maybe they'll adjust. ...
An establishment gets one chance to make a first impression. If I was you, I'd say I've been there twice. The first time, and the last time.

I looked at the menu, it does seem somewhat pricey for the location. Burger and fries with a beer incl. tax and a 15% tip will set you back about $32.
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love the atmosphere! the smoked wings were good but the seasoning clashed with the homey garlic sauce. everyone i was with loved their food, mac cheese, nachos, poutine, however agree they are pushing the envelope for "bar food" but in saying that they arent really a bar anymore
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2019, 2:25 PM
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Is FNP acting outside the normal range of behaviour for commercial landlords here? I would think FNP is just (properly) managing in the best interests of their shareholders. They don't really owe Skinners anything.
Yeah I don't get what the controversy is. They're allowed to rent their space to whoever they want to. Last time I got food from that Skinners it was total garbage and I get why the Forks doesn't think they fit in anymore when every other vendor there has improved so much.
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I often get confused when some of you talk about whether you actually believe in this whole capitalism thing or not
Goodness.

It's the one system, that while occasionally harsh, directly rewards hard work, creativity, and risk. As if we need government (usually somewhat haplessly) to mess with that.

Socialism and it's good pal communism have the highest death toll among economic systems currently relevant, by a million miles. I can understand a frustration with life and career, but that it's soooo quickly attributed to "the system" while inherently suggesting such a blatantly destructive alternative is ignorant.

The problem isn't the system, people are the problem. Socialism sounds fine to some but has never been executed in any form that hasn't been destructive. Meanwhile, while not perfect, capitalism has been a success.
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2019, 6:45 PM
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Goodness.

It's the one system, that while occasionally harsh, directly rewards hard work, creativity, and risk. As if we need government (usually somewhat haplessly) to mess with that.

Socialism and it's good pal communism have the highest death toll among economic systems currently relevant, by a million miles. I can understand a frustration with life and career, but that it's soooo quickly attributed to "the system" while inherently suggesting such a blatantly destructive alternative is ignorant.

The problem isn't the system, people are the problem. Socialism sounds fine to some but has never been executed in any form that hasn't been destructive. Meanwhile, while not perfect, capitalism has been a success.
Canada has a blend of the two, as do all western countries to varying degrees. The trend in this country is towards increasing authoritarianism both in terms of economic and personal freedoms.
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2019, 1:17 AM
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Went to Pauline this weekend, it was fantastic. It's gorgeous in there, might be one of the nicest interior designs in the city. Great atmosphere, great service, food was fantastic. Will definitely be back – gives Clementine and Smith some (good) friendly competition for top nice brunch spots in Winnipeg.

Walked through The Wood and Carousel too – it's clear Sparrow spared no expense on these renos, all the spaces are top notch, flooring, finishing, lighting is beautiful.

These 3 new storefronts combined with lots of the new business and refreshed buildings on Tache are really making that area great. The next hip strip in the city.

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I looked at the menu, it does seem somewhat pricey for the location. Burger and fries with a beer incl. tax and a 15% tip will set you back about $32.
LOL! Pricey for the location? It's on a pedestrian-friendly busy strip surrounded by numerous other hip new business in a good area on the border of town. It's priced right where it should be. Should St. Boniface only have cheap shitty diners?

$32 is very normal for dinner and a drink. It's hard to go lower than that. Hell going to a shitty place like Kelsey's or Applebee's will be $30+ for food, a drink, tax and tip.
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2019, 5:47 AM
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LOL! Pricey for the location? It's on a pedestrian-friendly busy strip surrounded by numerous other hip new business in a good area on the border of town. It's priced right where it should be. Should St. Boniface only have cheap shitty diners?

$32 is very normal for dinner and a drink. It's hard to go lower than that. Hell going to a shitty place like Kelsey's or Applebee's will be $30+ for food, a drink, tax and tip.
Norwood? It's okay I guess, Not that "hip" or vibrant in my opinion. Pedestrian friendly is debatable. The Marion/Goulet pair can feel like quasi-freeways at times and the 60 km/h speed limit (which means 70 in reality) on those two is too fast. Nah, for what I had mentioned that's expensive, a good $5+ more than Applebee's or the Eatery a mile or so to the east. Is there still a Kelsey's? I thought they were gone from Winnipeg. I'm not a fan of chains in any event. Too funny, "cheap shitty diners". Two of which you may be referring to are one to the south on St. Mary's and one to the east near the Marion Hotel, both of which really are very good. Maybe not up to par for the frou-frou types.

If you know this market you'll see that a burger, fries and a beer for $32 won't fly unless it's absolutely out of this world talk-of-the-town amazing! Of course I hope it does well, and may try it one day.
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2019, 12:05 PM
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A pretty average burger at a sit down chain restaurant like Earls or Joey is going to cost $16 or more. The basic burger at Marion St. Eatery is $16.50. Something a bit nicer, like the burger and fries at Rae and Jerry's now runs $18.75. That's just the way it is. The basic burger at the Wood is $16. Exactly in line with the going rate. Sure, some folks will never pay this price (Sals is just fine), but lots already do. Add a drink, tax and tip, and you're up over 30 bucks. I don't see the price point being an issue at this place, as long as the quality and service is there.
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Goodness.

It's the one system, that while occasionally harsh, directly rewards hard work, creativity, and risk. As if we need government (usually somewhat haplessly) to mess with that.

Socialism and it's good pal communism have the highest death toll among economic systems currently relevant, by a million miles. I can understand a frustration with life and career, but that it's soooo quickly attributed to "the system" while inherently suggesting such a blatantly destructive alternative is ignorant.

The problem isn't the system, people are the problem. Socialism sounds fine to some but has never been executed in any form that hasn't been destructive. Meanwhile, while not perfect, capitalism has been a success.
The problem is most people who are against "capitalism" are actually talking about neolliberalism, and when they say "socialism" they actually just mean more managed capitalism a la Scandinavia.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2019, 9:20 PM
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Fionn MacCool's on Regent has reopened. It is the same quality as the one on Grant Ave.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2019, 9:21 PM
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Fionn MacCool's on Regent has reopened. It is the same quality as the one on Grant Ave.
Ouch, that's a pretty scathing review.
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