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That's what the Infra Bank was set up to be, a proxy for foreign and institutional investors.
Born out of the mindset of a certain era where it was felt investors wouldn't want to put money into Quebec, because it was too French, too social-democratic, too separatist, too... whatever.

So the idea was to do it for themselves (out of a perceived necessity)... and now that decision is paying off in other ways.
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2019, 7:30 PM
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Born out of the mindset of a certain era where it was felt investors wouldn't want to put money into Quebec, because it was too French, too social-democratic, too separatist, too... whatever.

So the idea was to do it for themselves (out of a perceived necessity)... and now that decision is paying off in other ways.
Well the Bank was set up in Toronto so...
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2019, 7:44 PM
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Well the Bank was set up in Toronto so...
Are we talking about the same thing?
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Are we talking about the same thing?
Canadian Infrastructure Bank. It was put in place as a proxy to get funding for infrastructure, akin to what CDPQi did.
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2019, 7:49 PM
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Canadian Infrastructure Bank. It was put in place as a proxy to get funding for infrastructure, akin to what CDPQi did.
Sorry. I was still talking about CDPQ and CDPQi.
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And in other news:

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First of 12 new trains for the Canada Line now in service
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/cana...ins-in-service


First new Canada Line train now in service, November 2019. (Juan M. Sanchez / submitted)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/cana...ins-in-service
New trains for Vancouver's Canada Line being introduced into the network with no problems whatsoever.... Don't worry Ottawa! It will work itself out soon for you guys!
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New trains for Vancouver's Canada Line being introduced into the network with no problems whatsoever.... Don't worry Ottawa! It will work itself out soon for you guys!
Did you guys have any issues when the Canada Line opened? Edmonton has issues with the Metro years later. Kitchener-Waterloo has a few trains that aren't ready for service. The TTC had a heck of a lot of issues with its new streetcar stock.
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Only real issue I can remember is the trains not being able to handle the grades on the north a bridge during heavy snow events, but that has only happened a few times over the last 10 years since opening.
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Did you guys have any issues when the Canada Line opened? Edmonton has issues with the Metro years later. Kitchener-Waterloo has a few trains that aren't ready for service. The TTC had a heck of a lot of issues with its new streetcar stock.
Very smooth as I recall. There was months of testing though, maybe they resolved things during that period.

It stands to reason that automated lines would have a hell of a lot more testing, and so would also pick up problems with the trains themselves, not related to automation.
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The CDPQi process "worked" in that it's building a lot of transit infrastructure very quickly. But that isn't half of what makes a good transit project. The coordination with land use plans and supporting service and infrastructure has been a casualty of the Caisse's agility and speed. Stations have been moved, dropped, and brought back in a matter of weeks. On a larger scale, the unpredictability of outsourcing planning as fundamental as basic alignment means that municipalities can't plan around transit in the long term for things like zoning, the placement of large facilities, and infrastructure investment. You may have planned and invested in a town centre in one location, only to find that the metro extension it counted on has been moved kilometres away. Long after people have forgotten how quickly that line was built, they'll be dealing with out of phase station locations and awkward station access.

It's not a problem just with the REM (heck, very few of the existing Metro's stations could be described as well-placed). However, planning and building a project on the fly in the Caisse's model will almost inevitably sacrifice good planning and long-term usability. We need to find ways of balancing predictability and agility.
Very true. The lack of a regional view to planning huge infrastructure projects like the REM puts aside many things that transit planners incorporate in their work, like planning for equity or considering actual or future loads in the transit system, so we don't end up with another situation like the eastern portion of the Orange line in ten years.

CDPQi's project delivery is impressive indeed but it is the product of a system that bypasses public output and region-wide planning. It's also fed by the government's short-term vision for public transit (the tram/LRT line on Notre-Dame Street being studied by the CDPQi right now is the perfect example of this), as the CDPQi does not act if there isn't a need officially expressed by the government. Thing is, government officials often don't have a clue about what the region actually needs, and they don't really care since they're usually in office for 4 years (max 8). So sure, we get projects, but we never get the best projects.

I personally like the REM and what it will bring to the Montreal area long term, but it's a Liberal political product and it scores a big zero for equity. Hundreds of thousands of people in the East end are still waiting for reliable access to jobs while the rich folks in the West Island will get their rapid transit link.

Our current government is suburb-oriented so it keeps financing studies for suburb-oriented projects while transit users in dense areas of Montreal are crammed in buses and in the Orange line day after day.

Sure, the public structure is heavy and doesn't favour a quick delivery of projects like the REM, but it does represent an important democratic aspect of our society. The slowest cog in the whole machine is, after all, the government itself, and the shortsighted vision of government officials.
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The Anne and Marie launching gantries have already built 3 km of the elevated structure on the West Island. Anne (1.6 km) has reached Kirkland and will stop before Saint-Charles Boulevard this winter. Marie (1.4 km) crossed Highway 40 in October and is now tackling the former Doney Spur right-of-way.
https://www.facebook.com/REMgrandmtl/

What is this about 40% of the West Island elevated portion? Lots of comments about how visible the project is and excitement.
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Regarding procurement and planning with PPP and the private sector, LA Metro's OEI is very interesting: https://www.metro.net/projects/oei/

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... Unsolicited Proposal policy ... This unique policy allows private sector companies working on transportation innovations to present new ideas directly to Metro for review and evaluation, jump-starting the traditional public procurement process. The most exciting proposals could lead to a demonstration, a pilot project, or in the most successful cases, a full deployment across Metro’s system. ...
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... the policy has exceeded expectations, in the number of proposals generated (113 to date; 16 for megaprojects), the ability of Metro to advance those ideas to implementation (more than a dozen) and the quality and magnitude of ideas. ...
https://thesource.metro.net/2018/07/...oposal-policy/

As the last link highlights you need to focus the proposals, so it doesn't waste everyone's time. You have LRT lines, freeways, and such being proposed/implemented.

However, take Vancouver's Broadway subway which has been at/over capacity for 15 years (since the mid-2000's), but politically was behind Evergreen, then Richmond/Airport, then Surrey investments and still isn't going all the way to UBC in the current extension. When the subway opens to Arbutus, the bus system past Arbutus is still going to be "failing" or pushing ridership onto parallel bus routes because of long line-ups, delays, road-user impacts, and over-crowding. An investment like CDPQi's into Vancouver could have mitigated the political discussion. I'm sure there's examples in the GTA with Presto where something like this could be done too given the political paralysis. You probably need the granular level of data fare cards provide.

For example could putting a $1-$3 ad-fare on boardings, similar to the YVR ad-fare, along with some pre-existing real estate ownership with zoning flexibility have provided enough revenue for the private sector to do these projects similar to REM? Framed in the planning process, but outside the actual planning process and non-financial risk aversion (i.e. socio-political)?

There are issues with this, especially with respect to equity for things like ad-fares. Look at highway 407 tolls. Pareto optimal would be people willing to pay higher taxes so our public infrastructure works better, but in the real world we elect libertarian governments that take this idea and then de-fund GO RER stations entirely for instance.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 5:20 AM
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October REM photos up on facebook. https://www.facebook.com/REMgrandmtl...04741619891999

Parts of this look to be catching up to YEG's Valley Line, although, like there, lots of work still to do for opening stage 1 REM in 2021.

Impressive how this advances compared to current and recent transit projects. I echo the comments that'd it make sense to extend it 700m to the Dorval train station.
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Stage 2 Trillium Line, Ottawa construction progress.

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An at-grade intersection? Is it supposed to be temporary?
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An at-grade intersection? Is it supposed to be temporary?
That's just for construction. The entire O-Train project will be 100% grade separated as per the City's current policies.
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I love hearing that.

Four official metro systems in Canada now.

Finally next year some real expansion action will be starting up again in Metro Van. From then on it could be a fun decade for Skytrain construction.

Also to note Port Coquitlam has launched a serious study in pushing for a two station expansion into their community as well. The Evergreen Line was constructed with this expansion in mind, at Coquitlam Station there is spur in place.
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I love hearing that.

Four official metro systems in Canada now.

Finally next year some real expansion action will be starting up again in Metro Van. From then on it could be a fun decade for Skytrain construction.

Also to note Port Coquitlam has launched a serious study in pushing for a two station expansion into their community as well. The Evergreen Line was constructed with this expansion in mind, at Coquitlam Station there is spur in place.
Four? Isn't there 7 cities with LRT now?
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Four? Isn't there 7 cities with LRT now?
There are 7 cities with urban rail transit.

Metro is the general term used for grade separated systems officially (though some do use it in the wrong context).
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The new metropolitan signage has been released by the ARTM yesterday, in Montreal. The new plan includes the metro, the REM and the commuter trains networks.

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