Western Expresso

[Curmudgeon]

Have you heard the story about the Wolseley Elm? It was a real crime that it was cut down.

http://www.mhs.mb.ca/docs/sites/wolseleyelm.shtml

[headhorse]

one day we’re going to tear up that road and replant that elm

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by Pinus

How many more threads are going to be hijacked into discussions about crime? So far I count three with a borderline fourth. Where is the moderators when you need them? FFS

I move motion to create a Winnipeg - Crime thread so that we don't have this (multiple threads discuss "crime in Winnipeg"). Do we even have moderators on Manitoba and Sask.?

[Bdog]

Originally Posted by Pinus

How many more threads are going to be hijacked into discussions about crime? So far I count three with a borderline fourth. Where is the moderators when you need them? FFS

As much as we may want to pretend it doesn't, crime and in particular shoplifting does in fact have a very real effect on retail patterns in cities. And as much as I look forward to Horrorbro's update on where the next Build A Bear workshop is going to locate, discussions relating to shoplifting and theft do have a place in the retail thread I would argue.

[Pinus]

Originally Posted by Bdog

As much as we may want to pretend it doesn't, crime and in particular shoplifting does in fact have a very real effect on retail patterns in cities. And as much as I look forward to Horrorbro's update on where the next Build A Bear workshop is going to locate, discussions relating to shoplifting and theft do have a place in the retail thread I would argue.

Then start a thread about crime and discuss it there instead of having the same 3 or 4 people hijacking multiple threads about the same off-topic banter. It's not rocket science.

Only in the Winnipeg threads is this kind of bullshit permitted. No wonder much of the rest of the country perceives us as such scatter-brained, inept losers.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Pinus

How many more threads are going to be hijacked into discussions about crime? So far I count three with a borderline fourth. Where is the moderators when you need them? FFS

This thread is called western expresso, an open thread for all topics, seriously if you would rather stick your head in the sand when it comes to crime issues stay out of this thread!

[rrskylar]

Geez, another thread hijacked about tree's, cut them all down I say, they're messy with all their leaves that litter the ground in the fall. Time to ban trees!

[Authentic_City]

Originally Posted by headhorse

Yeah this is a thread to be mad about trees being torn down and I’m the only one posting anything.. can I get some tree appreciation? fav Manitoba teee? anyone see that oak in Souris?

Is the Souris Oak still alive? I was there maybe 30 years ago. It was listed in the book Heritage Trees of Manitoba as the oldest, or largest oak in the province, I can remember which.

[EdwardTH]

Originally Posted by NotToScale

What part of his statement was racist? He said nothing about any groups being inferior. Don't get too woke now, that's a hole that is hard to crawl out of.

Come on man, sure he sidesteps anything overtly racist but it's so thinly veiled. I'm shocked you think I'm "too woke" for suggesting that "aboriginals are just a bunch of gang members" is racist

Originally Posted by Bluenote

He forgets to always mention that the 3 biggest gangs in this city and province are Aboriginal. And most of the 40 murders so far are gang related and Aboriginal.

- Aboriginals are murderous gang members. Not racist. Got it. Look, sure we could say something like the parents of these kids need to do better or whatever, that's not untrue. But these conditions replicate themselves anywhere there's systemic poverty, ie black gangs in the southern US. It's not something unique to natives in MB but he seems to think it's just because NATIVES = BAD. I've never heard of a place where all the street gangs are white kids from rich families so you pointing out that our gangs also consist of our poorest people is kinda pointless

Originally Posted by Bluenote

Sorry I'm sick and tired of protests for money when we all should be protesting about these gangs and the crime rate. And point the finger directly where it belongs.

- Protests for money? ok... I'll admit some of the professional activists out there are self-interested (ie Parker wetlands/roostertown). But there are about 1000 legitimate things to protest, from reserve housing conditions to the state of our child welfare system etc. Kids ending up bouncing around 30 foster homes and then you suggest it's their own fault when they end up in a gang.... you can't just dismiss anybody you don't agree with as having some sinister motives
- protesting the gangs? You think the Indian Posse is gonna disband because you protested them? If you mean calling for action to do something about the conditions causing these social issues then yeah, that's what the protesters you hate so much are doing. They're also the same people rolling their sleeves up and working with Bear Clan or other community groups to actually do something about it, which I suspect Bluenote is not... If you actually went and spent a day with any organization doing that work in our inner city you'd see the boots on the ground doing that work are mostly indigenous people, they're already the ones taking the most ownership of this

Originally Posted by Bluenote

But he will as usual say it was our fault for the gangs.

Who's fault is it then? Again I suspect he'd say "the parents" or some shit. And again I'd point to how these problems exist anywhere the same socioeconomic problems do. Addictions, poverty & poor mental health creates fucked-up people who, unsurprisingly, are bad parents who create even more fucked up people, and that's true whether we're talking about indigenous in Canada or Roma in Europe or blacks in the US or whoever. You must treat the cause and not just the symptom. And those parents can't get their shit together without some kind of addictions and mental health support which is terribly inadequate in our country.

Originally Posted by Bluenote

He will reply with his typical lengthy blah blah blah reply. Just wait. Then he will pull the racist card etc.

It's time to take Winnipeg back!!!!

- your entire post is just attacking indigenous people and calling them criminals. And this "race card" line is getting so old - it's just become a reflex to throw it out there anytime the issue comes up and preemptively shut down the discussion. You're not allowed to bring the issue up anymore without immediately being accused of playing the so-called "race card." People like Bluenote just want the issue dropped - you either leave it alone and pretend racial inequality is just a thing of the past or you're playing some "card." People who actually live with that shit on a daily basis can't just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist anymore.

[rkspec]

Retail and crime go hand in hand, whether it be alcohol, grocery or clothing theft its still related to this thread.
Plus crime in our city is a hot topic all over Canada, am i way off to think that's why there is so much talk about it in the threads?

[NotToScale]

Originally Posted by EdwardTH

Come on man, sure he sidesteps anything overtly racist but it's so thinly veiled. I'm shocked you think I'm "too woke" for suggesting that "aboriginals are just a bunch of gang members" is racist

Again I will disagree with you, that's ok. And you are certainly rewording what he said to fit your narrative, he said the biggest gangs are aboriginal, not that all aboriginals are gang members. That's why I called you woke. Continue to be shocked if you want to feel that way.

[dmacc]

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...162299483&z=14

Looking at the Winnipeg homicides on this map, Downtown isn't particularly unsafe. It is all localized in the North End and West End with exception of a couple late night incidents at a bar and a late night restaurant. Bro-Ass the core and the Exchange are relatively safe.

[drew]

^ given the fact that random killings are almost unheard of - provided you don't know or associate with someone capable of murdering you - we are almost all "safe" (at least from getting murdered) regardless of where we live.

This is why I find that while murders get the most attention - they really aren't that indicative of your overall personal safety. That would be better measured based on theft, muggings and other types of "random" violent crime, and not necessarily by murder - given that again, you almost always will know your murderer, or have put yourself in a situation that increase your chances of getting murdered (gangs, bar fights, drinking parties, "high risk lifestyles", etc.)

[vid]

Guys, guys, let's be honest here. We all know that the REAL crime in our society, is capitalism.

PROFIT IS THEFT!

[LilZebra]

^^^

I don't know you from Adam, vid, but I didn't know you were such a Socialist. Unless you're "joking", right?

[optimusREIM]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...aise-1.5352962

At the end there's mention of p&m. I'm starting to wonder if we managed to get those barricades down if it wouldn't help us get over things and move on.

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...aise-1.5352962

At the end there's mention of p&m. I'm starting to wonder if we managed to get those barricades down if it wouldn't help us get over things and move on.

Good article. Hopefully people will take it to heart and try to get over the "we're so lame/everyone else is perfect" nonsense. I caught the P & M reference too. I suspect it's part of the reason for the comment that Winnipeg "can't quite close the deal' when it comes to redevelopment.

[vid]

Originally Posted by LilZebra

^^^

I don't know you from Adam, vid, but I didn't know you were such a Socialist. Unless you're "joking", right?

I'm half joking. The disconnect between my political ideology and my work ethic would probably be described by most on the left as "jarring" and most on the right as "hypocritical".

I will tell all of you that based on my own experiences, small business is a much better way to prevent socialism from growing in a population than big business. The higher the percentage of workers employed by big business the closer capitalism gets to collapse, so watch out. If I worked at Walmart I would do all I could to unionize them. At my current work place, I wouldn't even think of it—when the boss works alongside you, unionization is less necessary. A thing for you all to consider.

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by vid

I'm half joking. The disconnect between my political ideology and my work ethic would probably be described by most on the left as "jarring" and most on the right as "hypocritical".

I will tell all of you that based on my own experiences, small business is a much better way to prevent socialism from growing in a population than big business. The higher the percentage of workers employed by big business the closer capitalism gets to collapse, so watch out. If I worked at Walmart I would do all I could to unionize them. At my current work place, I wouldn't even think of it—when the boss works alongside you, unionization is less necessary. A thing for you all to consider.

A valid comment. In general I think the larger corporations get, the less competition and creativity in product selection the consumer gets, thus defeating the "advantage" of capitalism for society as a whole.

[vid]

Originally Posted by pspeid

A valid comment. In general I think the larger corporations get, the less competition and creativity in product selection the consumer gets, thus defeating the "advantage" of capitalism for society as a whole.

Yes.

And also the labour rights violations. It's easier to violate and suppress labour rights when you're a massive corporation. If companies were, on average, smaller, there would be competition not just in terms of products, but in terms of wages and benefits. People would actually be able to get that better job if they don't like their current one. That's not as possible today.