noirish Los Angeles

[fullpower]

Originally Posted by ProphetM

Best guess - 1601 N. Vermont.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fkeJtPMCc6dMNh9n8
(The link above is in the parking lot inside the pony wall, because the street-based views are badly blocked by trees, buses, and homeless encampments on the sidewalk.)

I found a list of 1967 and 1970 Alexander's locations on this site:
https://www.groceteria.ca/board/view...hp?f=27&t=1192

I went through them all - most buildings are still there, and one of them has a tall sign like the one in the old photo (273 E. Gladstone, Azusa), but the one on Vermont seems to be the best match, with a short pony wall at the sidewalk and a high hill behind it (the Hollyhock House and grounds), which is *maybe* on the old photo - it's dark back there but it looks like a building or retaining wall on the left and a building poking up above the market on the right.

Im not convinced because the street at the right doesnt look right. It looks like a freeway onramp to me, but there is no freeway at this location on Vermont at Hollywood. But there does seem to be a similar wall or remnants of the wall. but im not convinced 100percent

[corriganville]

Originally Posted by fullpower

Im not convinced because the street at the right doesnt look right. It looks like a freeway onramp to me, but there is no freeway at this location on Vermont at Hollywood. But there does seem to be a similar wall or remnants of the wall. but im not convinced 100percent

The "street" at the right was the original entrance to Barnsdall Park from Vermont Avenue. It was relocated around 1965 (it was still there in 1963 when I lived in the area) to the Hollywood Blvd side.

[Noir_Noir]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir

Nice work with deciphering the sign ProphetM, which led to the Lonsdale Apts. which led to this possibility.

At the bottom of the picture you can see part of an arrow sign for "Los Angeles Wallpaper".



rescarta.lapl.org

Originally Posted by ProphetM

That has a lot of potential, especially as I look through aerial photographs. Not definitive but a seemingly good match. However, why do the apartment numbers only go up to the 300s on a 6-story building?

The Los Angeles Wallpaper ad looks like it's on a bus bench to me, and I'm not sure that is an arrow on the right hand side. If it is pointing to the right, I would think that it is pointing to an address on Wilshire Blvd., not on Serrano.

Yes the aerials do look a good match. I'm putting my money on the Lonsdale.



mil.library.ucsb.edu

Whoever took the picture was on Wilshire looking across at an angle to the Lonsdale (blue box) on Serrano.

The insurance company office in the picture was for National American Insurance to the rear of 3701 Wilshire.

The directory capture was snipped from two pages and abbreviates the Lonsdale listing. The Lonsdale had sixty apartments.

I think the Los Angeles Wallpaper & Paint Co. were located across Wilshire in the red circle.

[ProphetM]

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir

Yes the aerials do look a good match. I'm putting my money on the Lonsdale.



mil.library.ucsb.edu

Whoever took the picture was on Wilshire looking across at an angle to the Lonsdale (blue box) on Serrano.

The insurance company office in the picture was for National American Insurance to the rear of 3701 Wilshire.

The directory capture was snipped from two pages and abbreviates the Lonsdale listing. The Lonsdale had sixty apartments.

I think the Los Angeles Wallpaper & Paint Co. were located across Wilshire in the red circle.

Based on the aerials I think you are probably right. I found the one you posted as well as some others, and all were frustratingly inconclusive but the low building next door, additional apartment to the north, and parking lot including orientation of the spots, all match. I can't identify the rooftop sign on any of the aerials but it's too slight for that most likely. In at least one aerial I can see that the corners of the building have higher walls, but the palm trees in the photo block all of the corners to be able to confirm that design element, which is infuriating!

[ethereal_reality]

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re: Alexander's

Originally Posted by ProphetM

Best guess - 1601 N. Vermont.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fkeJtPMCc6dMNh9n8
(The link above is in the parking lot inside the pony wall, because the street-based views are badly blocked by trees, buses, and homeless encampments on the sidewalk.)

You're absolutely correct, ProphetM.







Did anyone notice the mature trees directly behind Alexander's?





They are in. . . .





Now take a gander at this aerial of Barnsdall Park. (1930s?-1940s?)




Sooooooo Alexander's wasn't built next to Barnsdall Park, it was built within the former boundries of the park!









[Postscript:

I hadn't realized how much land Barnsdall Park has sold off until I compared it to the old aerial.



Color me STUNNED!


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[fullpower]

im now convinced. thanks

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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re: Alexander's



You're absolutely correct, ProphetM.






Did anyone notice the mature trees directly behind Alexander's?





They are in. . . .





Now take a gander at this aerial of Barnsdall Park. (1930s?-1940s?)




Sooooooo Alexander's wasn't built next to Barnsdall Park, it was built within the former boundries of the park!









[Postscript:

I hadn't realized how much land Barnsdall Park has sold off until I compared it to the old aerial.



Color me STUNNED!


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[sadykadie2]

Originally Posted by Scott Charles

Noir_Noir, I've been mucking around on IMDB, but I just can't figure it out... how do you do a search by filming location?

I got to the IMDB page (of whatever movie or show I'm looking at) and scroll down to filming locations. If you click on the location, it will go to other movies and shows filmed there

[Martin Pal]

The news says this has gone global, but have any of you Noirishers heard about Los Angeles's Ghost Towers?

Construction for Oceanwide Plaza on the 1100 block of Flower Street was halted in 2019 when the Chinese developers who had initially planned for condos,
a mall and a hotel, ran out of funding. Since work stopped, the uninhibited* complex of empty towers became an attraction for graffiti artists.

*That's what they wrote!
Info and most photos from here: Deezen.com

As you can see the top floors stopped being constructed. This is right downtown where the Staples Center is. (I still call it that, it's now unfortunately named "crypto.com Arena."
The Grammys were held there this month. These buildings stopped being built at around 27 stories. Two were to be 40 stories and the third 49.


A month ago the last week of January, "graffiti artists" got into the building and started doing their thing. Around 27 floors worth!

It's become L.A.'s newest tourist attraction and largest art installation. :o


NBC News

And within the last couple weeks people have been base-jumping/parachuting from it!!!

KTLA News


KTLA News

For some video, here's a local news channel's reporting:

• Video Link

[Mackerm]

Does anybody recall a statue here, about 50 feet west of the fountain in Arcadia county park? I'm thinking 1990s. There's a square flagstone pedestal.


Forrent

I never took a close look at it. I thought it might have been the statue of the Hugo Reid Family, which was moved to the Gilb museum around 2003. But then I saw that its original location was a few hundred feet away, just north of the swimming pool.

Also this video shows that it has a massive "stump" below the ground (3:08).

• Video Link

[Update-- I think maybe I was imagining this. ]

[Earl Boebert]

LA Times coverage of Oceanside Plaza graffiti:

https://www.latimes.com/why-did-tagg...os-angeles-123

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ngeles-skyrise

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...in-viral-video

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...-cleanup-funds

Earl

[Scott Charles]

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir

Well this is what works for me Scott Charles.


Advanced Search -

https://www.imdb.com/search/title/


Expand the "Page topics" filter and choose "Locations" in the "Search within topic" box.

Then enter your location search queries in the box below that.





You can set a time range under "Release date" and any other filters you may want.


Hit Enter.

Many thanks, Noir_Noir, I never would have figured that out on my own!

[Snix]

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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Welcome back, ProphetM.

Here's a supermarket we haven't seen often (if ever) on NLA.

Seller's description:.."CA California LA Los Angeles Alexander’s Market Grocery Store 35 MM Slide Photo"


eBay

Does anyone recognize this location?

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[ethereal_reality]

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THis image of the Belmont Grill at the corner of 5th and Main streets showed up on eBay a few days ago. I'm not sure if we've seen it or not - I decided to post it anyway.

It looks like a scene from a film noir.



I wonder what the club is along the left edge of the border. It looks like 'Club 40 ? . . the neon appears to form a. . .um . .paddle, perhaps.





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[ethereal_reality]

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A mystery location.

'George's Ranch Market, Los Angeles Area'


eBay

Written at the top: 1938....George and ? (the little boy / no doubt his son)


Photographer's stamp on the reverse.



hmm. .4541 Produce Plaza. Maybe the market is located there too.
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[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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THis image of the Belmont Grill at the corner of 5th and Main streets showed up on eBay a few days ago. I'm not sure if we've seen it or not - I decided to post it anyway.

It looks like a scene from a film noir.



I wonder what the club is along the left edge of the border. It looks like 'Club 40 ? . . the neon appears to form a. . .um . .paddle, perhaps.


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e_r, more on the Belmont:


From https://home.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal2a.html


From https://home.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal2a.html

[ethereal_reality]

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Interesting information on Aline Barnsdall, Snix.

At the end it appears the city was fed up with her many 'causes'. At one point she set up barriers on one of her hillside properites where she let children play to protect them from
rolling into the street. The city demanded she take them down.... She refused.... They took them out anyway. (even though they were on her property)

THEN the city said if Aline was using the land as a park for children a leash law had to be inforced.


Poor Aline looked quite worn out by 1945.


................................................."This damn city is going to be the death of me yet."

R.I.P. Aline You left the city a true treasure.
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[ethereal_reality]

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Once more: This mystery slide which turned out to be the Lonsdale Apts. -THANKS to Noir Noir and ProphetM.


eBay

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir

Yes the aerials do look a good match. I'm putting my money on the Lonsdale.



mil.library.ucsb.edu

Whoever took the picture was on Wilshire looking across at an angle to the Lonsdale (blue box) on Serrano.

The insurance company office in the picture was for National American Insurance to the rear of 3701 Wilshire.

The directory capture was snipped from two pages and abbreviates the Lonsdale listing. The Lonsdale had sixty apartments.

I think the Los Angeles Wallpaper & Paint Co. were located across Wilshire in the red circle.

I don't believe I would have ever figured it out without your help.



One last question. (I can't let it go folks )

Why do you think the rooftop sign was placed at the back of the building? ...*scratches head*
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[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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This image of the Belmont Grill at the corner of 5th and Main streets showed up on eBay a few days ago. I'm not sure if we've seen it or not - I decided to post it anyway.

It looks like a scene from a film noir.



I wonder what the club is along the left edge of the border. It looks like 'Club 40 ? . . the neon appears to form a. . .um . .paddle, perhaps..
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It's an arrow...for Club 49. Scroll --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> -->

Actually, it's YOUR Club E_R, I just noticed the front of the place says it's Club 49er!



Also, a Google photo search indicates this photo is on page 3039 of NLA, but I don't see it there.

Maybe it was in this Flyingwedge post with "5th and Main environs" in the title.
It inidicates the post was edited a bit later and maybe this photo was removed.
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=15195

[Earl Boebert]

Could some kind soul help me find the dates when Kemp Camera Supply was at 923 North Cole in Hollywood? I have them at 10 West Main in 1938 and I believe the North Cole location was earlier than that. I have a piece of equipment that I would like to (roughly) date.

Thanks,

Earl

[rick m]

Originally Posted by odinthor

e_r, more on the Belmont:


From https://home.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal2a.html


From https://home.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal2a.html

Just today- a friend in my Project Rainbow seniors group described Belmont as the happening spot for black gays in the late 1960s-- I had read of this before-- All other bars like Waldorf and Harolds got the non-black crowds---