Winnipeg James Armstrong Richardson International Airport

[CoryB]

^^ I think WestJet could have really made some inroads with a YWG-HNL (Honolulu) route especially bundling in hotels, etc. It is a great sun destination that isn't heavily sold in the Manitoba market as you need to connect through another city. The market still goes untapped so there is always next winter.

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by CoryB

^^ I think WestJet could have really made some inroads with a YWG-HNL (Honolulu) route especially bundling in hotels, etc. It is a great sun destination that isn't heavily sold in the Manitoba market as you need to connect through another city. The market still goes untapped so there is always next winter.

The price would be high. Really high.

[pegcity]

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[CoryB]

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

The price would be high. Really high.

Based on my Hawaii experience the bulk of the cost is in the air fare. WestJet has some 767 with potentially available flight hours. That is why they were running the London routes at rates lower than what we had seen in the market before.

[MalcolmTucker]

They reduced fleet availability this winter to hopefully get ahead of maintenance this winter on the 767s.

[jmt18325]

By my very rudimentary calculations, YWG is up about 6% to 3,046,388 at the end of September.

http://www.waa.ca/uploads/ck/files/2...nger_Stats.pdf

There's a possibility of getting to 4M at that.

[jmt18325]

Seems like we're finally getting some attention:

Thrice weekly flights to Hamilton on Westjet 3 seasons of the year.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/11/1...milton-flights

Edit: and at Newleaf's price point:

http://skiesmag.com/press-releases/w...ello-hamilton/

[Pinus]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

Seems like we're finally getting some attention:

Thrice weekly flights to Hamilton on Westjet 3 seasons of the year.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/11/1...milton-flights

Edit: and at Newleaf's price point:

http://skiesmag.com/press-releases/w...ello-hamilton/

The thing is, we HAD Westjet flights to Hamilton not all that long ago but they were cancelled. So yeah it's nice that we have that option back, but it's nothing really new that we are adding to our non-stop destination list.

It's unfortunate that the only reason this is occurring is so that Westjet can undercut Newleaf in hopes of driving them out of business. IMHO, Westjet couldn't give a rat's behind about this city.

[jmt18325]

Maybe - but it also shows that there's a market. That we might actually break 4M passengers might get us some attention.

[RepomanYWG]

Originally Posted by Pinus

The thing is, we HAD Westjet flights to Hamilton not all that long ago but they were cancelled. So yeah it's nice that we have that option back, but it's nothing really new that we are adding to our non-stop destination list.

It's unfortunate that the only reason this is occurring is so that Westjet can undercut Newleaf in hopes of driving them out of business. IMHO, Westjet couldn't give a rat's behind about this city.

I tend to agree with this 100%. If anything it will drive Newleaf to other markets. I don't think they are going to be offering any sun destinations from YWG this season so because of thier very small fleet size chances are the flights they are currently operating will be gone.

[jmt18325]

I doubt they're going to pull out of their home market. Traffic has been huge for them out of here.

[Pinus]

Originally Posted by RepomanYWG

I tend to agree with this 100%. If anything it will drive Newleaf to other markets. I don't think they are going to be offering any sun destinations from YWG this season so because of thier very small fleet size chances are the flights they are currently operating will be gone.

I've emailed Newleaf regarding this as I'm very curious as to how they will respond to having offered sun destinations to Calgary, Edmonton and Hamilton, but not for Winnipeg.....you know.....their corporate headquarters and supposedly "hub" city.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Pinus

I've emailed Newleaf regarding this as I'm very curious as to how they will respond to having offered sun destinations to Calgary, Edmonton and Hamilton, but not for Winnipeg.....you know.....their corporate headquarters and supposedly "hub" city.

From a story in today's Free Press:

"You have to understand. We are only four months old, so we’re in our infancy. We would love to be everything to everybody... however, we only have a certain amount of planes right now in our fleet that we work with," she said.

"We’re also looking at where we know for certain we have the population to support the new destinations that we’re going to," she added. "It’s a tough call. We had hoped to offer this for sure to Winnipeggers, but it just didn’t work out in the scheduling for this year."

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bus...401621915.html

Pretty hard to argue.

[jmt18325]

And really - with their tiny fleet and schedule, they have 12 flights a week to Winnipeg. That's not bad at all.

[The Jabroni]

There's always next year. If their fleet grows as the year goes on, or if demand from them for sun destinations grow even more, then for sure they will get start flights from here to sun destinations.

WestJet only had three 737s back in 1996. Now they're all over the map with newer 737s, and used 767s.

All in good time for New Leaf.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by NewLeaf via Winnipeg Free Press

"We’re also looking at where we know for certain we have the population to support the new destinations that we’re going to,"

Sorry but I call BS all over this one. There is lots of Winnipeg-Phoenix/Mesa traffic. The direct flights trend towards full and difficult to book. Passengers need to connect through YVR, YYC or YYZ. If you are on one of the flights connecting through those cities it is not uncommon for a sizable block of passengers to be making the exact same connection as you. If NewLeaf has even tried to launch that same $198 return ticket from Winnipeg to Phoenix/Mesa they would have had a huge uptake and been eating into Allegiants lunch for their Grand Forks and Fargo flights. So much for YWG being their hub. First they add Edmonton with no flights to Winnipeg and now no sun destinations from Winnipeg either.

Glad to know I can write NewLeaf off from any of my future travel plans. Back to watching the Allegiant website.

[MalcolmTucker]

From 2014:
Detailed presentation of transborder journeys, in alphabetic order of city pair, total outbound and inbound passengers
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/51-205-...0/t064-eng.htm

Phoenix, Arizona
Calgary, Alberta 238,399
Edmonton, Alberta 169,721
Toronto, Ontario 141,917
Vancouver, British Columbia 134,349
Winnipeg, Manitoba 39,619
Montréal, Quebec 32,370
Regina, Saskatchewan 28,572
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan 28,353
Kelowna, British Columbia 20,357
Ottawa, Ontario 18,973
Victoria, British Columbia 17,455
Halifax, Nova Scotia 8,135
Grande Prairie, Alberta 5,975
Québec, Quebec 5,185
Fort McMurray, Alberta 4,605
Other cities 3,270
Kamloops, British Columbia 2,671
Prince George, British Columbia 2,641
St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador 2,526
London, Ontario 2,352
Thunder Bay, Ontario 2,296
Kitchener-Waterloo-Guelph, Ontario 2,092
Moncton, New Brunswick 1,692
Fort St. John, British Columbia 1,268
Sudbury, Ontario 1,060
Comox, British Columbia 878
Nanaimo, British Columbia 853
Yellowknife, Northwest Territories 826
Fredericton, New Brunswick 800
Terrace, British Columbia 734
Timmins, Ontario 670
Saint John, New Brunswick 550
Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island 498
Abbotsford, British Columbia 416

That is a huge drop down to #5 Winnipeg.

[TimeFadesAway]

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

From 2014:

That is a huge drop down to #5 Winnipeg.

Is that final destination/origin in Winnipeg. That is, if I fly to Phoenix through Calgary, am I counted as coming from Winnipeg or from Calgary?

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by TimeFadesAway

Is that final destination/origin in Winnipeg. That is, if I fly to Phoenix through Calgary, am I counted as coming from Winnipeg or from Calgary?

If you connect through anywhere, you count as Winnipeg. It is O&D. You can run some basic math and look at capacity on a route and see if there is a net gain from hubbing, or a loss.

[jmt18325]

Edmonton is a bigger market - its that simple