Observations on very recent immigration trends for your City

[3rd&Brown]

I live in a sizeable (rare) new build neighborhood https://www.liveatnorthbank.com/ about a mile from Center City Philadelphia. It's new construction on an old industrial site (shipyard) with about 900 homes planned. 350 or so are settled, and to date, about 80% of the residents are Asian (probably 60% Chinese, 20% South Asian). I see a lot of out of state plates (NY, NJ in particular but also California, DC, Maryland, Massachusetts, Washington, Arkansas, Georgia). So far I've counted five Google employees among my neighbors who have relocated from CA or NY.

In the Philadelphia suburbs, especially if you are in a newer neighborhood, it will almost definitely be 50+% Asian, with the largest proportion being South Asian, whereas in the city, the largest proportion will be Chinese.

This demographic shift seems to be happening quickly. In Philadelphia proper, there are also ongoing waves of immigration from slavic and Russian speaking countries, but specifically Ukraine, Russia, Khazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Georgia. Apparently immigrant resettlement agencies are settling immigrants in neighborhoods they've largely avoided in the past because there is no housing in traditional immigrant areas (namely, NE Philly).

We seem to get a lot of second wave immigrants in Philly as well. That is, immigrants that first settle in NYC but after a few years migrate down to Philadelphia.

[Docere]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

I live in a sizeable (rare) new build neighborhood https://www.liveatnorthbank.com/ about a mile from Center City Philadelphia. It's new construction on an old industrial site (shipyard) with about 900 homes planned. 350 or so are settled, and to date, about 80% of the residents are Asian (probably 60% Chinese, 20% South Asian). I see a lot of out of state plates (NY, NJ in particular but also California, DC, Maryland, Massachusetts, Washington, Arkansas, Georgia). So far I've counted five Google employees among my neighbors who have relocated from CA or NY.

In the Philadelphia suburbs, especially if you are in a newer neighborhood, it will almost definitely be 50+% Asian, with the largest proportion being South Asian, whereas in the city, the largest proportion will be Chinese.

This demographic shift seems to be happening quickly. In Philadelphia proper, there are also ongoing waves of immigration from slavic and Russian speaking countries, but specifically Ukraine, Russia, Khazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Georgia. Apparently immigrant resettlement agencies are settling immigrants in neighborhoods they've largely avoided in the past because there is no housing in traditional immigrant areas (namely, NE Philly).

We seem to get a lot of second wave immigrants in Philly as well. That is, immigrants that first settle in NYC but after a few years migrate down to Philadelphia.

Chinese are more likely to live in the core than South Asians it seems. South Asians are the largest Asian group in the Greater Toronto Area, but there's more Chinese in the core. In part, I think it's the Chinese have been in the city longer and established a presence in the core.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Docere

Chinese are more likely to live in the core than South Asians it seems. South Asians are the largest Asian group in the Greater Toronto Area, but there's more Chinese in the core. In part, I think it's the Chinese have been in the city longer and established a presence in the core.

The Chinese also seem to be more apt to live in Toronto highrise condos. I don't see a ton of South Asians coming in and out of all those newer core and core-adjacent condos. Seems to mostly be East Asians and whites.

[PhillyRising]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

I live in a sizeable (rare) new build neighborhood https://www.liveatnorthbank.com/ about a mile from Center City Philadelphia. It's new construction on an old industrial site (shipyard) with about 900 homes planned. 350 or so are settled, and to date, about 80% of the residents are Asian (probably 60% Chinese, 20% South Asian). I see a lot of out of state plates (NY, NJ in particular but also California, DC, Maryland, Massachusetts, Washington, Arkansas, Georgia). So far I've counted five Google employees among my neighbors who have relocated from CA or NY.

In the Philadelphia suburbs, especially if you are in a newer neighborhood, it will almost definitely be 50+% Asian, with the largest proportion being South Asian, whereas in the city, the largest proportion will be Chinese.

This demographic shift seems to be happening quickly. In Philadelphia proper, there are also ongoing waves of immigration from slavic and Russian speaking countries, but specifically Ukraine, Russia, Khazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Georgia. Apparently immigrant resettlement agencies are settling immigrants in neighborhoods they've largely avoided in the past because there is no housing in traditional immigrant areas (namely, NE Philly).

We seem to get a lot of second wave immigrants in Philly as well. That is, immigrants that first settle in NYC but after a few years migrate down to Philadelphia.

Chester County is very heavily South Asian. Twenty years ago there was nothing Indian in the Exton/Lionville/Downingtown area. Now we have several Indian businesses along the 100 corridor.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by PhillyRising

Chester County is very heavily South Asian. Twenty years ago there was nothing Indian in the Exton/Lionville/Downingtown area. Now we have several Indian businesses along the 100 corridor.

Well this is particularly true in that area because of the STEM Magnate School in the Downingtown School District. Huge draw for Asian families.

But it is increasingly the case everywhere. In the new build neighborhoods in Garnet Valley, if you drive around at times, it seems as though everyone is South Asian. That was inconceivable a generation ago. These places were for sure WASP strong holds.

[ocman]

This has been going on for a long time, but the Asian-ness of the bay area shows no sign of slowing down. It’s now the largest group in the bay area.

[Crawford]

There's also a huge Chicagoland population in the Phoenix area.

It's anecdotal, but I hear a lot of white SD and OC households move to AZ, and you see them back in SD and OC beaches in the summer. My aunt vacates her beachfront neighborhood in the summer, when it gets inundated by people with AZ plates, and the streets are completely jammed.

[homebucket]

Originally Posted by eschaton

The Upshot did a graphic on this back in 2014. At that time, 9% of Arizonans were born in California, versus 38% being born within the state.

The number of midwesterners was indeed greater overall than the number of Californians.

Originally Posted by Crawford

It's anecdotal, but I hear a lot of white SD and OC households move to AZ, and you see them back in SD and OC beaches in the summer. My aunt vacates her beachfront neighborhood in the summer, when it gets inundated by people with AZ plates, and the streets are completely jammed.

It'd also be interesting to see if the Californians moving to Arizona are native born Californians or if they're transplanted Californians that were already from other states (ie the Midwest or East Coast). I'd wager it's more likely the latter, since it seems like Midwesterns in particular are drawn to Arizona as their final earthly destination.

Originally Posted by Crawford

It's anecdotal, but I hear a lot of white SD and OC households move to AZ, and you see them back in SD and OC beaches in the summer. My aunt vacates her beachfront neighborhood in the summer, when it gets inundated by people with AZ plates, and the streets are completely jammed.

One of the former SF forumers (Pedestrian) pretty much did this. He would live in AZ for the winter and move back to SF for the summer. He was also an older, white, and non CA native retiree which seems to align with the demographic trends.

[PHX31]

Lately in my area in north Phoenix I've been seeing and hearing about a lot more Asian/Chinese/Taiwanese students in the schools and pre-schools in the area, and I've anecdotally seen many more in my local grocery store and elsewhere. It's due to the TSMC semi-conductor plant for the most part.

Originally Posted by Crawford

It's anecdotal, but I hear a lot of white SD and OC households move to AZ, and you see them back in SD and OC beaches in the summer. My aunt vacates her beachfront neighborhood in the summer, when it gets inundated by people with AZ plates, and the streets are completely jammed.

I imagine there could be some CA people that move to AZ and then go back for the summers, but the people at the CA beaches in the summer are not just CA locals coming back from AZ, a vast majority of them are just all-spectrum AZ people taking vacation from the heat for a few days or a week at the CA beaches.

And the "older" "white" qualifiers of CA people (or elsewhere) moving to AZ, especially "older" is a silly bias or stereotype. There are certainly more people retiring to AZ than to, say, Cleveland, but if the majority of people moving from somewhere to AZ (and Phoenix) are always older, then AZ/Phoenix would have one of the oldest median age demographics in the country, which just isn't the case. Arizona is 22nd youngest state, Phoenix is 17th youngest top 50 metro.

[RST500]

Originally Posted by PHX31

Lately in my area in north Phoenix I've been seeing and hearing about a lot more Asian/Chinese/Taiwanese students in the schools and pre-schools in the area, and I've anecdotally seen many more in my local grocery store and elsewhere. It's due to the TSMC semi-conductor plant for the most part.

There has been a lot of Chinese migrants showing up at the Yuma border, though it wouldn't surprise me if Chinese immigrants and Chinese Americans from LA and the Bay Area relocate to Phoenix.

[RST500]

I was recently in LA, and noticed a lot of Portuguese speakers, assuming Brazilians, ranging from Black to White. That previous poster could be right, though Brazilians seem to favor Boston and Miami.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by Crawford

There's also a huge Chicagoland population in the Phoenix area.

The primary immigrant starting in the 1970's through about 2015 was Midwesterners. Chicago, Wisconsin, Pittsburg, Michigan. and a smaller amount from NYC and NJ area.

After 2015 there was a sudden and extreme shift to Californians as now AZ is more expensive than most of the Midwest.

Californians as another poster put above is now half of our immigration it did not used to be that way.

I also dont think its retirees monolithically like it was long ago, again the price advantage to retire to AZ is no longer there. Its more middle income families from LA that feel pushed out and can simply live a lot better in metro phoenix than in suburban LA

[RST500]

Stats for new immigrants in 2022:

New York City - 41 Countries Dominican Republic: 19,622 China: 15,512 India: 15,269 Ecuador: 6,269 Jamaica: 4,999 Bangladesh: 4,947 Colombia: 4,661 El Salvador: 4,565 Mexico: 3,108 Philippines: 2,633 Honduras: 2,522 Guyana: 2,401 Pakistan: 2,400 South Korea: 2,303 Egypt: 2,286 Haiti: 2,229 Uzbekistan: 2,207 Brazil: 2,191 Guatemala: 1,879 Albania: 1,847 Ukraine: 1,757 Nepal: 1,683 Peru: 1,608 Nigeria: 1,538 Turkey: 1,527 Russia: 1,476 Georgia: 1,462 Yemen: 1,441 Venezuela: 1,427 United Kingdom: 1,344 Ghana: 1,223 Trinidad and Tobago: 1,074 Canada: 1,060 France: 863 Israel: 826 Italy: 733 Morocco: 726 Poland: 703 Cuba: 561 Japan: 574 Sri Lanka: 531

Washington DC - 20 Countries El Salvador: 5,794 India: 4,751 Afghanistan: 2,105 Cameroon: 1,645 China: 1,523 Ethiopia: 1,360 Honduras: 1,268 Guatemala: 1,146 Nepal: 1,020 Pakistan: 861 South Korea: 708 Nigeria: 702 Mexico: 698 Philippines: 694 Venezuela: 679 Sierra Leon: 637 Brazil: 618 Peru: 616 Ghana: 572 Bolivia: 564

Los Angeles - 19 Countries Mexico: 13,216 China: 8,179 El Salvador: 4,005 South Korea: 3,525 Vietnam: 3,190 Philippines: 3,116 India: 3,063 Armenia: 2,356 Guatemala: 2,010 Iran: 1,939 Russia: 943 Brazil: 850 Honduras: 717 United Kingdom: 716 Taiwan: 693 Canada: 666 Japan: 635 Egypt: 597 Ukraine: 535

Miami/Fort Lauderdale - 18 Countries Cuba: 19,527 Venezuela: 6,536 Colombia: 4,733 Brazil: 3,435 Haiti: 2,952 Jamaica: 2,586 Honduras: 1,856 Dominican Republic: 1,754 Argentina: 1,374 Nicaragua: 1,236 Peru: 1,235 Philippines: 1,125 Mexico: 1,119 India: 1,049 Ecuador: 862 Guatemala: 762 Russia: 681 El Salvador: 630

Houston - 16 Countries Mexico: 7,595 India: 4,025 El Salvador: 2,284 Vietnam: 2,092 Cuba: 2,010 Venezuela: 1,783 China: 1,642 Nigeria: 1,572 Honduras: 1,362 Pakistan: 1,052 Philippines: 809 Colombia: 729 Iran: 596 Afghanistan: 573 Brazil: 545 United Kingdom: 527

Dallas/Fort Worth - 13 Countries Mexico: 8,146 India: 7,827 Nepal: 1,295 El Salvador: 1,246 China: 1,125 Vietnam: 1,122 Nigeria: 959 Venezuela: 766 Pakistan: 680 Afghanistan: 552 South Korea: 545 Honduras: 544 Brazil: 502

San Francisco - 12 Countries India: 8,586 China: 5,870 Mexico: 3,839 Philippines: 1,156 Guatemala: 1,152 El Salvador: 1,132 Vietnam: 810 Afghanistan: 673 Brazil: 635 South Korea: 603 Canada: 532 Nepal: 519

Seattle/Tacoma - 10 Countries India: 5,970 China: 4,395 Mexico: 1,892 Afghanistan: 1,131 Vietnam: 1,019 Ukraine: 711 Philippines: 709 South Korea: 670 Canada: 589 Ethiopia: 524

Boston - 10 Countries Dominican Republic: 3,364 India: 2,803 China: 2,722 Brazil: 2,266 El Salvador: 1,068 Haiti: 899 Colombia: 703 Cabo Verde: 702 Guatemala: 628 Vietnam: 505

Chicago - 9 Countries Mexico: 6,852 India: 5,472 China: 1,625 Philippines: 1,302 Ukraine: 1,256 Poland: 925 Pakistan: 653 Jordan: 591 Kyrgyzstan: 519

Orlando - 9 Countries Brazil: 2,570 Venezuela: 2,523 Philippines: 1,444 Colombia: 1,062 Dominican Republic: 903 India: 782 Cuba: 777 Haiti: 694 Jamaica: 620

San Jose - 7 Countries India: 6,918 China: 5,014 Mexico: 1,708 Vietnam: 1,547 Taiwan: 773 South Korea: 647 Philippines: 553

Atlanta - 8 Countries India: 5,006 Mexico: 1,926 Vietnam: 1,025 China: 910 South Korea: 731 Nigeria: 709 Jamaica: 682 Brazil: 584

Detroit - 8 Countries India: 5,232 Yemen: 1,511 Mexico: 909 Bangladesh: 727 Albania: 655 Lebanon: 577 China: 527 Iraq: 510

Philadelphia - 6 Countries India: 3,532 Dominican Republic: 1,680 China: 1,327 Mexico: 754 Uzbekistan: 560 Italy: 502

Riverside/San Bernardino - 5 Countries Mexico: 6,159 China: 1,367 India: 804 Philippines: 647 El Salvador: 526

San Diego - 5 Countries Mexico: 4,952 India: 1,472 China: 827 Philippines: 742 Afghanistan: 544

Tampa - 5 Countries Cuba: 3,228 India: 1,303 Colombia: 674 Mexico: 607 Venezuela: 526

Sacramento - 5 Countries India: 1,577 Afghanistan: 1,273 Mexico: 1,231 China: 565 Ukraine: 527

Charlotte - 4 Countries India: 2,142 Philippines: 1,684 Mexico: 733 Honduras: 572

Las Vegas - 4 Countries Mexico: 1,823 Cuba: 772 Philippines: 722 China: 589

Austin - 3 Countries India: 2,618 Mexico: 2,066 Cuba: 583

Baltimore - 3 Countries India: 1,254 El Salvador: 682 Nepal: 569

Portland, OR - 3 Countries Mexico: 1,217 India: 996 China: 523

San Antonio - 3 Countries Mexico: 2,684 Afghanistan: 555 India: 522

Nashville - 3 Countries Philippines: 1,144 Egypt: 653 India: 645

Phoenix - 2 Countries Mexico: 4,843 India: 1,892

Minneapolis/St. Paul - 2 Countries India: 1,278 Mexico: 784

Denver - 2 Countries Mexico: 2,263 India: 724

Cincinnati - 2 Countries Philippines: 1,453 India: 813

Providence - 2 Countries Dominican Republic: 1,060 Guatemala: 523

Kansas City - 2 Countries Mexico: 691 India: 559

Stockton - 2 Countries India: 1,401 Mexico: 758

Fresno - 2 Countries Mexico: 1,394 India: 703

Columbus, OH - 1 Country India: 1,339

Raleigh - 1 Country India: 1,997

Indianapolis - 1 Country India: 1,027

El Paso - 1 Country Mexico: 3,537

Louisville - 1 Country Cuba: 1,079


St. Louis - 1 Country India: 951 Jacksonville - 1 Country India: 544

Salt Lake City - 1 Country Mexico: 885

Hartford - 1 Country India: 743 Worcester - 1 Country India: 674

Pittsburgh - 1 Country India: 858

Richmond - 1 Country India: 856 Fort Myers - 1 Country Cuba: 1,180

Trenton - 1 Country India: 1,039

[Xing]

I’m not sure if many of you are looking at this whole migrant bus situation, but here in Chicago it’s going to cause a shift in the dynamic of our Latino demographics. There’s a huge influx of Venezuelans, and I see them all the time.

Most do not have papers, so I’m assuming we won’t see the numbers for awhile. Many are still coming in. Most have been transferred to police stations, since the city is running out of places to keep them.

Also, someone tell Texas St Louis is a sanctuary city. I know it isn’t, but it could use some immigrants.

[Emprise du Lion]

Originally Posted by Xing

Also, someone tell Texas St Louis is a sanctuary city. I know it isn’t, but it could use some immigrants.

The International Institute of St. Louis is offering its help to Chicago:

St. Louis groups seek to resettle Chicago migrants to boost workforce and population

Funded primarily by donations, one program would provide housing for up to three months, job placement by local unions and assistance from immigration lawyers.

By Esther Yoon-Ji Kang
Oct 18, 2023, 6:00am CT

As the city of Chicago scrambles to shelter and find solutions for thousands of migrants who need housing and jobs, groups in St. Louis are looking to relocate some of those asylum-seekers to their town, modeling the program after similar ones it did with Afghan refugees in recent years.

The nonprofit International Institute of St. Louis is partnering with unions and philanthropic leaders to resettle hundreds — if not thousands — of Latin American migrants in their city. The goal is to bolster St. Louis’s workforce and stem its population decline.

“It could be the potential for a great relationship between both cities,” said Karlos Ramirez, vice president of Latino outreach for the International Institute. “If the [migrants] are going to be in a better place, St. Louis is going to be in a better place, and Chicago is going to be in a better place, I think everybody wins.”

The program would be funded primarily by private donors. It would provide housing for up to three months, cell phones, apprenticeship programs and job placement by local unions, and assistance from immigration lawyers, Ramirez said.

He added that St. Louis officials are “very much in line and on board with this initiative,” pointing to Mayor Tishaura Jones recently creating an Office of New Americans.

Remainder of the article is here.

The International Institute of St. Louis most recently assisted with the resettling of approximately 2,000 Afghan refugees, and they also assisted with the resettlement of the Bosnians in the 90s.

[Steely Dan]

^ that's awesome.

We need more programs like that to help disperse all of these Venezuelan refugees currently overwhelming Chicago's social services to all of the other population depleted rust belt cities.

Sounds like an across the board win for all involved:

- Cities in need of people get them.

- Refugees get more/better services.

- Chicago won't be so overwhelmed by the flood.




For clarification: I am not anti-refugee, but the current surge is crippling Chicago's ability to deal with all of them and is not at all sustainable. Spreading things around the region seems like a smart idea to me.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

^ that's awesome.

We need more programs like that to help disperse all of these Venezuelan refugees currently overwhelming Chicago's social services to all of the other population depleted rust belt cities.

Sounds like an across the board win for all involved:

- Cities in need of people get them.

- Refugees get more/better services.

- Chicago won't be so overwhelmed by the flood.




For clarification: I am not anti-refugee, but the current surge is crippling Chicago's ability to deal with all of them and is not at all sustainable. Spreading things around the region seems like a smart idea to me.

Maybe after there's a path to work authorization created for them. Otherwise it will just create more tent cities in places that have few resources to handle the influx.

NYC is the richest city in the world and has been struggling because the migrants are mostly in legal limbo when they come here. The ones who don't have relatives to live with are being housed in city provided shelters because they would otherwise be on the street. But Washington is in no hurry to create a pathway for them to work and establish themselves, either permanently or temporarily.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Maybe after there's a path to work authorization created for them. Otherwise it will just create more tent cities in places that have few resources to handle the influx.

The work situation absolutely needs to be sorted out in Washington.

But we both know it won't.

In the meantime, the migrants are already here, with more busloads arriving every day. It doesn't make much sense to me to keep them all crammed into a handful of the nation's main immigration gateway cities.

Programs like the one this st. Louis group is doing to resettle a couple thousand refugees from Chicago down to St. Louis make a lot of sense. There should be similar programs for Detroit, Cleveland, Milwaukee, etc.

The rust belt needs people.

Any people.

[streetscaper]

Originally Posted by Xing

lol pretty glaring misspelling in the headline there

[LA21st]

As of 8/1, 17,000 ukranians have arrived in la since the start of the war. Im guessing its over 20k now. Its getting noticeable in some areas.