Winnipeg Retail

[BAKGUY]

How about BOOT CAMP for the thugs? Straighten them out with answering to an authoritative person and forced to give respect.

[headhorse]

Originally Posted by BAKGUY

How about BOOT CAMP for the thugs? Straighten them out with answering to an authoritative person and forced to give respect.

is this like a gulag?

[bomberjet]

Of course the long term answer is better social programs to help people keep out of crime. Of course. But to stop the current rash of robberies, and for safety of everyone, showing ID seems to be a rather easy option.

The 15 year old kid who was in the video punching people has been arrested. His 2 partners have not.

[Hecate]

This has been going on for more than a year and nothing has been done to take preventative measures, now someone’s hurt, the higher ups at the MLCC are 100% responsible for this mess.

This also goes beyond just riff raff, these incidents are occurring everywhere, it’s youths, across all demographics. It’s become a dare to get free booze for Saturday’s party, or to sell at school for other things, it’s easier to steal liquor than it is designer clothes, or electronics. And they will get more money,

Everything happening here can be stocked up to low wages and high sin taxes on everything fun. $18 for a pack of cigarettes, $50 for 24 beer, $40 for an 1/8 of cannabis. imagine being in school, working part time let’s say 12 hours a week and you are seeing your entire pay check going to a phone Bill, what do you do for fun? Mom and dad can’t keep handing our $20 everytime their kid wants to go out. it’s not right, it’s fucking criminal what we have done to our youth.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by headhorse

nope I agree. I’m not saying people shouldn’t be held responsible for their actions. but all of the solutions suggested are reactive - we need to figure out how to stop people from even going out and considering these things, not having police checks all over the city just in case. I know people are worried about creeping authoritarianism, well, a city that is constantly patrolled and check pointed is just that. we need to empower people and communities to hold themselves and each other responsible, not through fear of force by the state.

For sure there are bigger picture issues that need to be addressed. But why on earth would you not deal with the immediate issue that is threatening public safety?

If your house is on fire, should the fire department show up with binders of policy documents and ask you what parts of the building code need to be reworked to minimize the chances of this happening in the future, while the flames consume your house? Of course not, you put the fire out and sort out the rest later.

Or are you saying that MGEU members staffing the liquor marts should just keep absorbing the punches (and inevitably, stabs and gunshots) in the name of building a more just society?

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Everything happening here can be stocked up to low wages and high sin taxes on everything fun. $18 for a pack of cigarettes, $50 for 24 beer, $40 for an 1/8 of cannabis. imagine being in school, working part time let’s say 12 hours a week and you are seeing your entire pay check going to a phone Bill, what do you do for fun? Mom and dad can’t keep handing our $20 everytime their kid wants to go out. it’s not right, it’s fucking criminal what we have done to our youth.

Beer and booze are a relatively pricy item just about everywhere. In some European countries I've visited, it's more expensive than it is here. Yet oddly they don't seem to have marauding hordes pillaging stores for it.

What is the difference?

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by esquire

Beer and booze are a relatively pricy item just about everywhere. In some European countries I've visited, it's more expensive than it is here. Yet oddly they don't seem to have marauding hordes pillaging stores for it.

What is the difference?

Cigarettes are ridiculously cheaper, phone bills are ridiculously cheaper. And generally alcohol prices are cheaper, especially outside of tourist areas. That might have something to do with it. Most wages in Europe are better too.

[esquire]

^ In the Nordic countries, if those things are any cheaper than they are here it isn't by much.

[buzzg]

It's important to note that this LC/mall is right beside what I believe is the largest housing project in the city. The province has admitted (and planners around the world agree) that large-scale projects are very bad ideas, and the province has started to move away from them. I think this is further proof to that, and housing needs to be a key factor in any "solution" to whatever you want to define this current problem as.

[cheswick]

Originally Posted by esquire

Beer and booze are a relatively pricy item just about everywhere. In some European countries I've visited, it's more expensive than it is here. Yet oddly they don't seem to have marauding hordes pillaging stores for it.

What is the difference?

Do you keep up with the local news out of Europe? Curious how you know.

https://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/20...-survey-finds/

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/ne...co-superstore/

https://northyorkshire.police.uk/new...theft-in-york/

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...-west-50103261

https://www.getreading.co.uk/news/re...worth-13956249

[esquire]

^ Interesting... so it looks like the UK has a bit of an issue with this too.

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ Interesting... so it looks like the UK has a bit of an issue with this too.

Those weren’t brazen “you can’t stop us” raids on stores by gangs, though. More garden variety shoplifting or thefts from trucks. Property crime in England is staggeringly high compared to North America, so it’s not surprising that alcohol is one of the targets.

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by buzzg

It's important to note that this LC/mall is right beside what I believe is the largest housing project in the city. The province has admitted (and planners around the world agree) that large-scale projects are very bad ideas, and the province has started to move away from them. I think this is further proof to that, and housing needs to be a key factor in any "solution" to whatever you want to define this current problem as.

That was the housing that was supposed to be the solution, according to the last bunch of “planners”.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by esquire

Beer and booze are a relatively pricy item just about everywhere. In some European countries I've visited, it's more expensive than it is here. Yet oddly they don't seem to have marauding hordes pillaging stores for it.

What is the difference?

Do you want the not so politically correct answer?

People in Europe aren't subjected to the same restrictions and taboos associated with alcohol (and everything else) as they are here. And there are security measures put in place in some European countries to deter theft of liquor.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Andy6

That was the housing that was supposed to be the solution, according to the last bunch of “planners”.

Social engineering with housing does more damage than it helps, the NDP housing clusters are breeding grounds for crime!

[drew]

Originally Posted by esquire

Reading between the lines of the WFP story, the massive size and renovation/demolition cost of the building may be the only thing keeping the store itself afloat.

The good news that the store can't really shrink any further... it's gotten about as small as a Bay can get, unless it just becomes an online shopping pickup point, or something like that.

The article is pretty lazy IMO.

They have a few people quoted (anonymously) that the building needs to get demo'd or that the giant floor plates aren't redevelop-able, lack of windows, mechanical systems are the shits...

Well duh. I think anyone with a few brain cells bouncing between their heads would realize that the building would need all manner of modern upgrades in any redevelopment scheme. And no one is going to redevelop that building with the current floor plates intact.

The only real items of significance in terms of the building are it's size and the exterior facades. The building floor area will need to get reduced, and the exterior facade will need to stay intact.

I think we all know what that ultimately means. It's just too bad that the "reporter" in this case couldn't have talked to anyone who (judging by the quotes in the article) isn't some near-retiree taking a brief pause from yelling at the clouds.

[Biff]

Finally,

November 22, 2019
PROVINCE TO ELIMINATE SUNDAY AND HOLIDAY SHOPPING RESTRICTIONS

Legislation would Allow Municipalities Options For Retail Business Hours: Fielding
The Manitoba government wants to eliminate provincewide restrictions on Sunday and holiday shopping, while allowing municipalities the authority to regulate retail businesses within their jurisdiction, Finance Minster Scott Fielding announced today.

“Manitoba is currently the only western province that restricts retail businesses from operating on Sundays and holidays,” said Fielding. “Many Manitobans support allowing businesses to set their own hours, and we want to give Manitobans more freedom and flexibility on when they buy groceries.”

Fielding introduced The Retail Business Hours of Operation Act (Various Acts Amended or Repealed), which would no longer require retail businesses to close after 6 p.m. on Sundays and certain holidays. This would also bring retailers more in line with certain businesses currently exempt from the act, such as pharmacies, liquor stores, casinos and restaurants.

“We committed to these changes in our election platform and 100-Day Action Plan to level the playing field for our local retailers so they can better compete with businesses exempt from current rules and 24-7 online retailers,” said Fielding. “It’s time to modernize our outdated and complicated shopping laws, and remove approximately 40 regulatory requirements to reduce red tape for businesses.”

Under the proposed legislation, municipalities would have the authority to pass by-laws, should they prefer to keep some restrictions in place. The province would work with municipalities to help develop bylaws if needed. The province would also make changes to The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Act, which would allow municipalities flexibility to regulate the hours liquor or cannabis is sold.

The minister noted the current rules will remain in place until the legislation passes. He noted the province will maintain status quo on Remembrance Day closures and retail workers’ provisions for Sundays.

[cheswick]

Originally Posted by Biff

Finally,

November 22, 2019
PROVINCE TO ELIMINATE SUNDAY AND HOLIDAY SHOPPING RESTRICTIONS

Legislation would Allow Municipalities Options For Retail Business Hours: Fielding
The Manitoba government wants to eliminate provincewide restrictions on Sunday and holiday shopping, while allowing municipalities the authority to regulate retail businesses within their jurisdiction, Finance Minster Scott Fielding announced today.

“Manitoba is currently the only western province that restricts retail businesses from operating on Sundays and holidays,” said Fielding. “Many Manitobans support allowing businesses to set their own hours, and we want to give Manitobans more freedom and flexibility on when they buy groceries.”

Fielding introduced The Retail Business Hours of Operation Act (Various Acts Amended or Repealed), which would no longer require retail businesses to close after 6 p.m. on Sundays and certain holidays. This would also bring retailers more in line with certain businesses currently exempt from the act, such as pharmacies, liquor stores, casinos and restaurants.

“We committed to these changes in our election platform and 100-Day Action Plan to level the playing field for our local retailers so they can better compete with businesses exempt from current rules and 24-7 online retailers,” said Fielding. “It’s time to modernize our outdated and complicated shopping laws, and remove approximately 40 regulatory requirements to reduce red tape for businesses.”

Under the proposed legislation, municipalities would have the authority to pass by-laws, should they prefer to keep some restrictions in place. The province would work with municipalities to help develop bylaws if needed. The province would also make changes to The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Act, which would allow municipalities flexibility to regulate the hours liquor or cannabis is sold.

The minister noted the current rules will remain in place until the legislation passes. He noted the province will maintain status quo on Remembrance Day closures and retail workers’ provisions for Sundays.

A lot of stores don't open the full hours they can on Sunday, I'll be curious if much changes. I know when I worked retail it was hard pressed finding employees willing to work a Sunday shift. We were constantly understaffed.

[bomberjet]

I don't really care either way. But I find the whole argument ridiculous. You can shop literally anytime during the week. Stores can be open 24/7 6 days a week right now. But for some reason people NEED, MUST be able to shop at 6am on a Sunday morning before church or at 7pm on a Sunday night because they forgot to get milk? Have their charter rights have been violated. Give me a break.

[cheswick]

That food fare guy should have kept quiet about his holiday opening fines and paid them without bitching. Now every other grocery store will be open and he'll lose his exclusivity to holiday shopping and people will literally have no reason to shop at a food fare.