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I just read about the bank relocation at wisbusiness.com. Great news for the city.
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Score one for the city. Good news for milwaukee.
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Ground has broken for Milwaukee's newest residential high-rise, which began construction a few weeks ago. Kilbourn Tower will rise from atop the lake bluff at the corner of N. Prospect and E. Kilbourn Avenues. Th 33-story tower will have 74 luxury condominium units, and aditional amenities including a 24-hour concierge service, on-site wine cellar and humidor, fitness center, business center, with 4 levels of underground parking and a private car wash.
See the Kilbourn Tower website for more details. The Journal Sentinel had a special advertising section a couple of weeks ago called "Condo Living" that featured a great article about Kilobourn Tower with some renderings. http://specialsections.onwisconsin.c...001_030725.jpg http://specialsections.onwisconsin.c...725/113733.jpg |
Brew town's really becoming upscale, that tower extends the skyline.
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YES!!!!
kilbourne is finally going to happen. a mighty fine modern building building in an absolutely great spot in regards to the skyline. this will be a fun one to watch as it rises as it will have a dramatic skyline impact, especially from the lake view of the skyline. |
A very nice addition to the skyline.
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What a nice addition to the skyline this will be and the great city of Milwaukee.
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I drove by yesterday. A big hole in the ground is all that's apparent right now.
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University Club Tower, the proposed 32-story luxury condo atop the lakefront bluff in Downtown, has received preliminary approval from the Milwaukee City Planning Commission.
The tower remains in the marketing stages, as the developer is looking for more prospectuve buyers before construction can begin. The site for this tower is immediately next-door to Kilbourn Tower, already under construction (see previous posts above). It is located immediately to the left of Kilbourn Tower in the renderings posted toward the top of this thread. See the article from today's Journal Sentinel for more details: City planners favor condo tower - Downtown units would be tops in size, price http://www.jsonline.com/graphics/bym...ower01_big.jpg |
Okay...Milwaukee is TOTALLY impressing me at this moment. SO SO SO SO SO underrated :).
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great news markitect, thanks for the update. kilbourne tower alone will dramtically change the skyline from the lake, but if this other tower also rises right next to it, it'll damn near be a brand new face to the skyline.
here's to hoping that the development pace continues to gather steam in brewcity. p.s. i am photoshop incompetent, but i was wondeing if someone else with mad p-shop skills could maybe morph that u club tower into that kilbourne tower rendering, or vice -versa. perhaps the persepctives are too different to make it work, but it might look cool. |
Thanks for the update Markitect. Keep 'em coming. Everything looks WONDERFUL. Milwaukee is definetly moving forward in the RIGHT direction!
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Man, you are overflowing with good news, aren't you Mark?
I was downtown yesterday (I went to Borders to pick up the new John Mayer CD, of course) and Cathedral Place is nearly finished. The tower's facade is 2/3rds complete, and the parking garage portion's facade appears to be complete already, unless they're adding glass to cover up the interiors...which I kind of hope they do. The condo boom is definately big here...very exciting times. 1522 was just completed a few months ago (hey, didja know that Halle Berry's movin' into the top two floors?), and Kilbourne is getting ready to go up...funny, but I year ago, there were a few Milwaukee forumers who doubted that even that would make it to the construction phase, much less the then-renderingless University Club Tower. Honestly, I can't remember if I did or not...lol. It's just too bad that RiverTower fell by the wayside. That was a cool-lookin' building. Ah, well. Life goes on, and the Park East goes down (yay!). Things are lookin' good from where I'm sitting. :) Ironically enough, I happen to be sitting in a building facing north, so I really can't see anything I was just talking about. But you got what I meant. Um...yeah. This is what happens when I don't sleep, kids. |
Milwaukee's lakefront will be heating up once again with an invitation-only architectural design competition for the proposed Pier Wisconsin building--a new home for the organization that specializes in Great Lakes and freshwater education.
The original design and location for the new Pier Wisconsin building were heavily debated over the past couple of years. The white colored sail-and-mast-like design elements were criticized for being too derrivative the neighborhing Quadracci Pavillion at the Milwaukee Art Museum. Furthermore, despite its sloping tent-like form, the 90-foot high building was criticized for obstructing views of Lake Michigan. Other design criticisms arose over public access, parking issues, and incoherent reconfiguration of the site at the end of Municipal Pier. After local philanthropist Michael Cudahay, who was backing the project, threatened to relocate the project to other Wisconsin cities, a 30-year lease agreement was ironed out upon the understanding that the project be redesigned. In addition to aquariums, exhibits, classrooms, labs, and theater/lecture halls, the new proposal will also include a new location for the science education center, Discovery World (one of Cudahay's previous acts of philanthropy), currently located at the Milwaukee Public Museum in Downtown. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel announced today that a competition will be held in the coming weeks for a new design for Pier Wisconsin. Read the article for more details (and check out the archived Pier Wisconsin articles in the sidebar, too): Architects to compete for Pier design - Invitations seek plans for water education facility Pictured below are renderings and models of the old design for Pier Wisconsin, which have now been scrapped. http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphic...ierbig0628.jpg http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphic...ier2020703.jpg http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphic...rbig121502.jpg The site on Municipal Pier is the current home for the Pier Wisconsin group, which operates out of the old terminal of the now-defunct Milwaukee Clipper steamship (which used to run between Milwaukee, WI and Muskegon, MI). The old terminal building will be demolished to make way for the new building. Pier Wisconsin has provided facilities to educate vistors about Great Lakes marine life and history. Recently, the group completed the Dennis Sullivan--a replica of a Great Lakes schooner--built from scratch primarily by a group of volunteers (depicted in the renderings above). |
I like the original design and location. It's perfect IMO.
Is that location and design in the picture, then, NOT going to happen? What's the most likely location for this? I don't see how this could possibly "obstruct views." Sounds ludicrous. |
The original design is clunky and an obvious knock-off of the art museum. This is GREAT news.
EDIT: Oh God...please don't let Kahler-Slater win... And btw, there's a new rendering of University Club Tower up at the site. I'll have to go take pics soon! |
The project has, and will be located in the same general area--on Municipal Pier, just south and east of the Art Museum. As to where exactly on the Pier it will be located (at the eastern tip, or along the southern edge, or somewhere else nearby) I have no idea.
The criticism about obstructing views of the lake came about because of the building's opaqueness. Most of the facade of the building was a solid white mass with small slivers of windows. It was definitley a valid criticism when the building was located at the far eastern tip of the pier (as seen in the third picture above). Earlier this year, the design was proposed to be relocated slightly, to the southern edge of the pier (as seen in the first rendering and model pictured above), but that brought on a different set of issues. Also at the time, the City was in lease negotiations with the Pieces of Eight restaurant, which also shares the Pier with the project (which is not depicted in any of the images above). It was unsettled at the time whether the restaurant would continue to operate there and if the City would kick them out (they were behind on their lease payments owed to the City at the time). That conflict was eventually settled, Pieces of Eight stays put, and that also affects the configuration of Municipal Pier and the proposed Pier Wisconsin building. I think an architetcural competition for the Pier Wisconsin project will bring forth an interesting set of designs, based on who some of the architects are (see article). A building located at such a promoinent location in the city's "front yard" must be carefully designed. I was not a fan of the original design and thought is was far from perfect, less so because it appeared to mimic certain elements of the Art Museum (white colored, mast sturcuture, cables), but because it really did obsturct lake views (the renderings above are misleading because they are all taken from viewpoints at which people would never be able to view the building) and the sloping white facades were almost entirely opaque. |
I agreee with you CG5, it does look like a rip-off.
All this Milwaukee news is great. After visiting there this summer I'm definitely on the band wagon! |
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This Sunday's Journal Sentinel featured two point-counterpoint editorials debating the issue of open spcae within the soon-to-be-redeveloped Park East corridor in Downtown Milwaukee. The overbuilt, underutilized Park East Freeway has now been reduced to rubble, which will ultimately turn into 26 acres of prime Downtown real estate ripe for redevelopment.
The Park East is down. Now what? - Plan for more urban open spaces The Park East is down. Now what? - Development, open spaces can coexist I take the stance described in the second editorial. The corridor has a lot of great potential for new developments and various types of open space. Such spaces don't necessarily have to be in the form of expansive parks (a la Central Park in New York City); they can take the form of hardscaped and softscaped suqares and plazas, smaller parks, treelined boulevards and streets, plus the extension of the RiverWalk (which can be designed to be both hard-edged and natural). The criticism of using all or a portion of the corridor to create a larger park at a time when the County is slashing funding and deferring maintenance on already existing parks throughout the city and county is also a very valid point. An article from Monday's Business Journal summarizes some of the developments in the Westown section of Downtown that are proposed, underway, or nearing completion.
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Thanks!
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This Monday the City Plan Commission approved the developer Peter Renner's design for the Harbor Front Condominiums. The proposal is located near the southern tip of the Third Ward, at E. Erie and S. Jackson Streets, along the Milwaukee River.
Renner expects construction on the first phase to begin in 2004 and be completed in 2005. A second phase will follow sometime in the future. The plans also call for a new RiverWalk segment to be built adjacent to the condo buildings, which will ultimately link up to the rest of the RiverWalk system (which currently ends a few blocks to the north). A pedestrian plaza linking Erie and Jackson Streets to the RiverWalk will be placed between the condo buildings. The Harbor Front Condos is the latest in a series of developments underway at the southern end of the Third Ward--which consists of mainly new construction (as opposed to primarily warehouse conversions in the northrn part of the neighborhood). A couple blocks away, the second phase of New Land Enterprises' Jefferson Block is under construction; across the street from that, the Mandel Group's Gas Light Lofts is going up. Nearby that, Mandel also has a proposal for the Marine Terminal Lofts along the river. Renner is also building the Water Front Condos in the Fifth Ward, across the river and upstream from his Harbor Front project. Check out the article from Monday's Journal Sentinel for specifics: City OKs building of riverfront condos Also, from the archives, an article from this past summer announcing the Harbor Front proposal: Condos planned for riverfront - $30 million project's site near Summerfest grounds http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphic...ebig061803.jpg |
Those condos look beautiful. This is just the type of development that I want to see in Milwaukee. A few high-rises is nice, but I think 4-6 story condos lining the river will look awesome, and more appropriate than a bunch of high-rises lining the river. Kind of a euro feel.
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Yeah, that's the rendering.
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Since the WAM on SSC has died down, why do't we just make this the unofficial Milwaukee thread?
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Obviously you haven't visited the "What About Milwaukee" thread at SSC in the past couple of weeks. It is going strong with photo tours, development news/discussions, and miscellaneous general Milwaukee discussons. Some of the regular participants have returned.
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And so it begins...
Developers of the now-under construction Kilbourn Tower are clashing with devlopers of the proposed-to-be-next-door University Club Tower, with the City of Milwaukee in the middle. It seems KT-ers are saying the City is violating an agreement the City made with them when they City approved plans for UCT. What the argument boils down to is the two towers, if both were to go up, would be too close together, and that south-facing units in Kilbourn Tower would have windows that look out at the north-facing blank walls (which happens to be a serive/stair/elevator core, hence the relatively blank walls) of University Club Tower--which also coincidentally cuts off Kilbourn Tower's southern views of Lake Michigan. UCT-ers say "tough cookies, the City hasn't violate anything,we knew you'd bring this up." Meanwhile the City says "we didn't violate any agreements, we'd like to see both towers go up and be successful." Developers for Kilbourn Tower have asked that University Club Tower be redesigned and/or repositioned on the proposed site so it sits further back from Propsect Avenue, which would allow University Club Tower to still get built, while allowing south-facing Kilbourn Tower residents to have their lake views. Although I don't know the exact details of KT's agreement with the City, or the specifics on UCT's sitework, repositioning UCT on its site might actually work with a little tweaking of the design. Put a nice little landscaped park out front on Prospect Avenue which would become an additional amenity for UCT and KT; residents in both towers get their lake views, and everybody could live happily ever after. An article from today's Journal Sentinel tracks the drama: Developer warns city to change or move other planned high-rise - Kilbourn Tower challenges design; neighbor to continue with development |
well, i hope the parties involved can come to some compromise, i would really like to see both towers rise; the impact on the skyline from the lakefront would be great!
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With infrastructure underway to reweave the urban fabric once detroyed by the now-demiolshed elevated Park East Freeway, developers are ready to pounce on the opportuity to grad up more blocks for development.
The City will be holding a series of public meeting in the coming weeks where citizens can address issues and see presentations of the lastest, and hopefully final, drafts of the Renewal (Regulatory) Plan and Master Plan for the redevelopment project. Once the plans are ultimately approved by the County Board and City Council, developers can start making deals. An article from Friday's Small Business Times discusses the excitement building around rebuilding a huge chunk of Downtown Milwaukee. It also gives some info about how materials from the freeway's demolition are being recycled and put to use in other redevelopment efforts underway and scheduled for the near future in other parts of the city. Read all about it: Get ready, get set, develop - If market conditions prevail, 'they could be lining up to buy' Park East land In other news, tug of war between commerical development in Downtown Milwaukee and suburban Waukesha County continues. GE Medical is still pondering sites for relocating its headquarters, which currently resides in Waukesha. Nothing really new since the last time reports came out, and the list of contenders remains pretty much the same:
See article for more details: Downtown Milwaukee jumps high for GE Med jobs |
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Irgens Development Partners and the Marcus Center floated the Ovation Plaza proposal, but an anchor tenant must be found before any progress is made. Last I heard, they were still kicking around ideas for the tower (mixed-use versus office, etc.), and the architetcural design hasn't been solidified. I managed to find a small rendering of something that was on the drawing boards, that hadn't been published in any of the usual newspapers I use for sources: http://cdx.xceligent.com/attachments/914/460914_tn.jpg If GE Medical would agree to reloccate its headquarters to Ovation Plaza, that would likely be the catalyst that would get this tower going. |
Thanks for all this Milwaukee news Markitect. Personally, what do you think of all this good news for the city? I remember back in the 90's it almost appeared Milwaukee would be a just rustbelt town forever!
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Milwaukee will be a Rustbelt town forever. We'll just be a shiny one with clean streets and a better economy. The Rustbelt is a place, not a state of being - and it's part of Milwaukee's character. MKE has been a blue-collar, industrial city for decades, and that's something I'd like to think we take pride in.
As for GE Medical, it would be very exciting to see this company move downtown. What the hell is in Menomonee Frickin' Falls? It's a hole. And they're Village President makes Shrub look like a Rhodes scholar. My next comment ties into this, I guess. It's regarding the prelim design of Ovation Plaza: Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Who's the architect? Frickin' Kahler-Slater? Because that would explain the uninspired, banal, depressing box-type crap architecture. Fine, great! Bring the employees downtown, by all means! But why mar the cityscape with a block of heavy-handed, unimpressive jizz? We've got M&I, the 633 Building, the 411 Building, the Juneau Village Apartments, MGIC Plaza, Wells Fargo, and several assorted low-rises and parking garages to do that. (Speaking of the city being marred, Shrub was in town today. Did anybody go protest? I was there. It was pretty frickin' fun. We boo-ed his car.) |
OH YEAH - and what's this about UCT having a blank wall? WHY? Would it be fatal to at least pretend that you care about the way the finished product will look? No wonder we've only seen one angle. The other ones might kill the buzz. And hey - if I were paying $1 mil for a condo in Kilbourn Tower, I wouldn't want to look at a frickin' cement wall. That's BS, and KT developers have every right to spazz out.
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i like that m&i building.
i also like juneau village in a fucked up way. maybe i just like their arrangement for photography. that wells fargo bldg is truly hideous, though. |
And you can't say anything good about 633. There is just NOTHING right with that horrible hunk of concrete.
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CG5, I'd appreciate it if you kept your political views out of this thread, and let's just talk about Milwaukee.
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Keep in mind, designs for buildings go through several iterations of design, and the rendering posted above for Ovation PLaza is very prelimiary yet. Most likely it was an exploration of building massing within the cityscape rather than a foucis on detailed facade composition.
On the plus side, it's nice and glassy--not some stone or brick clad post-modern silliness with cutesy arched windows and heavy cornices, nor is it some brutalist modern behemoth. And Kahler-Slater isn't the firm working on the design--it's Eppstein Uhen. |
Eppstein is pretty good. Worlds better than Kahler-Slater. I know that the rendering is a prelim, but some times the final designs wind up looking like their earlier couterparts. I just don't want to see that happen here. I'd like to see the building do something with its location right along the river. Make some sort of statement. Of course, this probably won't happen, but at least the building will bring more people downtown. I suppose that's a good thing. Btw - in terms of massing, that building is only 16 stories high. I thought the proposal was for 22 stories.
And ctwickman, I was talking about Milwaukee. I wasn't going to make a whole thread about it. I just wanted to see if anyone else was there. So I'd appreciate it if you pulled that stick out of your bum and let me be, thanks. |
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Let's take this to the private messenger, shall we? :)
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An article in Tuesday's Journal Sentinel describes one of Milwaukee's lastest condo proposals, named 100 Seeboth, for the Walker's Point neighborhood. The proposal brings condo design in the city to a whole new and different level, having been designed by New York City's Tod Williams Billie Tsien & Associates (which recently won an award for the American Folk Art Museum in New York).
The site is a prime location at the bend in the Milwaukee River, south of Downtown; the building would act as a visual terminus for S. 1st Street. It would contain eight condo units, plus some offices, a restaurant, plus a RiverWalk/boat docks. The warehouse that currently sits on the site would be demolished to make way for the new building. As for the architectural design, it is very "different" to say the least. Have a look through the article for more: Condos on river entice New York architects - 2002 architectural prizewinner would design $20 million building The rendering below looks north, showing the front and side facades, prominently located along W. Seeboth and S. 1st Streets. http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphic...abig100603.jpg The model pictured below looks south; the glassy facade overlooks the bend in the river. http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphic...bbig100603.jpg This is an extemely poor design for an extrememly great site! The plain blank concrete walls simply make this building look very uninviting and very very urban-unfriendly because it turns its back to the street. I am curious to see what the City has to say about this design. I doubt they'd go for it without some overhauls, and I can't say I'd blame them. |
We've seen very little of the design so far...perhaps we should wait and see what it looks like from more than two angles.
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These two angles are the most important ones!
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(from http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/oct03/175519.asp)
City panel backs snug site for second condo tower By TOM DAYKIN (tdaykin@journalsentinel.com) The developer of downtown condo high-rise Kilbourn Tower failed Tuesday in its attempt to delay city approval of a competing tower proposed for a neighboring site. Fiduciary Real Estate Development Inc., which is building Kilbourn Tower at E. Kilbourn and N. Prospect avenues, asked a Common Council committee to delay for two to three weeks its approval of University Club Tower, which Mandel Group Inc. plans to develop just south of Kilbourn Tower. Despite the implied threat of a possible lawsuit from Fiduciary, members of the Zoning, Neighborhoods and Development Committee sided with University Club Tower. The committee unanimously recommended approval of the University Club project to the full council, which is to vote on the issue Oct. 14. Fiduciary is concerned that the 32-story University Club Tower, if built as presently designed, would create a sense of overcrowding with the 33-story Kilbourn Tower, said Craig Raddatz, Fiduciary development director. To illustrate his point, Raddatz showed aldermen an illustration that depicted both buildings - standing side by side like giant redwood trees. The towers, which would be among the tallest buildings downtown, would be 25 feet apart for most of their height - roughly the length of two Volkswagen New Beetles parked end to end. "I truly believe when you see pictures of the two buildings together," Raddatz said, "we are dealing with a huge compatibility issue." However, Barry Mandel, Mandel Group president, said the $75 million University Club Tower, once it rises above the third story, would be set back 20 feet from the property line it shares with the $52 million Kilbourn Tower - more than the city requires. Mandel said city regulations require a setback of just five feet - which is Kilbourn Tower's setback from that same property line. Mandel also said plans for a high-rise on the University Club site, which overlooks Lake Michigan, have been publicly known since 2000. That's when Department of City Development officials rejected a proposal to develop one high-rise that would have used both the club site and the Kilbourn Tower site, and instead called for two neighboring condo towers. "If I lived in an area with vacant land, I'd know sooner or later it's going to get built," said Ald. Suzanne Breier, referring to the University Club site. The committee vote came after nearly two hours of presentations by Mandel, Raddatz and city officials. The dispute centers on two high-rise condos that would cater to the area's wealthiest residents. Kilbourn Tower has so far sold more than half of its 74 planned units, which have an average price of $875,000. It is being financed through M&I Bank and Associated Bank, and it is expected to be completed by the spring of 2005. University Club Tower's prospective buyers have reserved 35 of the tower's planned 52 units, which have an average price of $1.5 million. Mandel said he plans to soon begin converting those reservations into signed sales agreements in order for that tower to obtain financing. Mandel said he hopes to begin construction on University Club Tower by April. He told committee members that city approval would help continue the project's momentum. "We need to dispel the notions of some people who say our development is not consistent with city standards," Mandel said. Raddatz agreed that Fiduciary's owners were long aware of plans for the University Club site. He also said the University Club Tower's design, by Chicago-based firm Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, has some "outstanding architectural features." But Raddatz also said the tower's design, which received Plan Commission approval in September, needs more scrutiny. He said University Club Tower's size and design "must be compatible with adjacent buildings and add vitality to the neighborhood." Fiduciary last week filed a legal notice with the city clerk's office. The notice said the development of University Club Tower, as currently planned, would hinder Fiduciary's ability to properly develop its building as outlined under the firm's agreement with the city. Fiduciary's notice suggested moving the University Club Tower off Prospect Ave. to the western portion of the club's parking lot, along Marshall St. That idea was flatly rejected by Mandel, who said it would "destroy" the tower's design concept. Mandel also said placing a high-rise on Marshall St., where it would be next to low-rise buildings, would amount to bad urban planning. Raddatz said Fiduciary was open to other "solutions," although he didn't offer the committee any specific suggestions. |
^so it sounds like these two towers might rise next to eachother and the owners of kilbourne are just going to have to live with it.
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yeah, the two pictures are incredibly misleading with their backgrounds, as there is no real ability to determine what one might look like RIGHT next to the other.
I like both buildings--A WHOLE LOT--but if they take something away from each other (not just in residents' views or land values or whatever) architecturally, the whole might not add up to the sum of the [two] parts and that isn't good. |
So basically, this is bad. I love the fact that Milwaukee's getting two highrises, but this whole situation smells really rotten to me. First off, plans for Kilbourn Tower have, to my knowledge, been around as long as plans for the UCT. On top of that, Kilbourn's designs have most definately been available for a longer period of time than UCT's - MUCH longer, actually. Taking that into consideration, does it strike anyone else as...um...slightly odd that UCT should plan for a large portion of their northern facade - the one facing Kilbourn Tower - should be a blank wall? Hmmmm...sounds like someone's playing dirty. Of course UCT is fine with the distance...their residents don't have to look at concrete.
And I think we have a winner for the "Most Asinine Comment of the Year": Mandel also said placing a high-rise on Marshall St., where it would be next to low-rise buildings, would amount to bad urban planning. Bad urban planning? Um...you're sticking one big wall right next to another, genius. In a city like Milwaukee with aaaaaaall this open land, I think that could be considered bad planning as well. |
Ok...here's a general idea of what the towers will look like back-to-back...
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...0/fae017cf.jpg |
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